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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Drone posted:

Grey, how long does your average turn last? In terms of setting orders and whatnot.

I keep wondering why we aren't seeing more naval action besides what the various carrier fleetlets are doing (specifically, what the hell our all our BB's up to?) and I get the sneaking suspicion most of them are just chilling out in port. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing since it's saving us a bunch of fuel that we currently can't really replenish easily.

This is the one period in the war when using that oil can actually be productive.

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Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Drone posted:

Grey, how long does your average turn last? In terms of setting orders and whatnot.

I keep wondering why we aren't seeing more naval action besides what the various carrier fleetlets are doing (specifically, what the hell our all our BB's up to?) and I get the sneaking suspicion most of them are just chilling out in port. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing since it's saving us a bunch of fuel that we currently can't really replenish easily.

A turn takes about 15-45 mins, depending on how much I'm doing - and the big ships are sitting in port mostly - Anywhere I can find Allied shipping reliably is somewhere they will have air cover, so I'm being careful with them for now - I will be moving some down for the invasion for Suva though!

It doesn't help that the AI is being pretty cagey atm - I need them to come out and fight! In my game September was when I started hitting back hard, so lets see if the AI can get some assaults going!

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

Grey Hunter posted:

I'm 100% sure the AI "cheats" when it comes to recon - you miss stuff all the time, but the AI always seems to be able to make runs at anything you put in the sea.

Right now scientists they are experimenting with "learning" AIs, which learn how to play a game simply by trial and error by watching the information displayed on the screen, without access to the game's code. It would be interesting to pit such an AI versus a human player.

alex314
Nov 22, 2007

After some time to let AI learn it'd be boring. Look at how many errors are caused by small details and AI would be amazing at that. Search patterns, supplies, setting up groups and squadrons... Look how many ships GH has lost by losing track of some group.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






Oh hey, they still have planes at Port Moresby.



This is your daily carrier location report.







There is not much my boys can do about this.







A dull-ish day, but at least it's sexy graph time!



We do confirm a good kill though!







So we're still on a completely different scale points wise, but as you can see, as the Allied player, I was starting my bounce back here, while the AI still has to take a couple more punches from me.



I've taken slightly more bases than the AI, and I'm still on the offensive.



Its been a pretty static month overall.



In the air, we are keeping parity with the Allies. While this may not seem like much, its better than last time!



Also, now I've sorted the upgrade thing, I have planes in my pools! I need to do a check of what's in service/due an upgrade soon though.



My ground war is still being extremely effective.



That's a squadron of aces there.



I lost 46 ships this month, and sank 21 (confirmed).



One of them was a carrier though!

Lets add a second one!

RA Rx
Mar 24, 2016

Huh, ship point losses roughly kept parity this month. Akyab has really hurt (to the tune of over half a carrier).

Good month elsewhere though!

Decoy Badger
May 16, 2009
What's going on at Cox's Bazaar? Still slogging up to retake it?

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






I need to get some fighters up here!







I'm pretty sure my fighters just run in this case. I don't blame them!







We find (and miss) a destroyer hiding from our forces.



Their level bombers have a go.



The victim continues to hang around in a area we can report its movements.
Please be the Enterprise.







We are creeping closer to our target.
Ships are allow all across the sea, we should see a burst of activity later on in the month!



Look, Intelligence – there is no need to make me feel better by making things up!

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

Advanced
Computer Touching


Toilet Rascal

Grey Hunter posted:

Their level bombers have a to go.

ftfy

But seriously, what are the likely scenarios if a bomb from one of those level bombers happens to hit one of our big floating airfields? I assume a fair amount of time spent on repairs at the very least, right?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
About how long you estimate till your own carriers are in range to engage then if you had an idea for how long before htey hit the area ready for a fight?

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

Whatever happened to the old Chungking gambit? Is it just a grinding slog?

Friend Commuter
Nov 3, 2009
SO CLEVER I WANT TO FUCK MY OWN BRAIN.
Smellrose

Fuligin posted:

Whatever happened to the old Chungking gambit? Is it just a grinding slog?

Grey found a hell of a lot more Chinese defenders than he was ready for, then the Chinese managed to cut his supply lines to Chungking, and now he's quietly pretending he didn't lose a couple of infantry corps.

Jesenjin
Nov 12, 2011

Friend Commuter posted:

Grey found a hell of a lot more Chinese defenders than he was ready for, then the Chinese managed to cut his supply lines to Chungking, and now he's quietly pretending he didn't lose a couple of infantry corps.

That or a whole lot of waiting has happened and neither side has attacked the other for a while.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Grey looks to be a day or two out from intercepting that American carrier.

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Fuligin posted:

Whatever happened to the old Chungking gambit? Is it just a grinding slog?

The plan turned into just sitting there to interdict the flow of supplies from Chunking to the rest of China which seems to have worked considering how out-of-supply most of the other Chinese armies are.

Friend Commuter
Nov 3, 2009
SO CLEVER I WANT TO FUCK MY OWN BRAIN.
Smellrose

RZApublican posted:

The plan turned into just sitting there to interdict the flow of supplies from Chunking to the rest of China which seems to have worked considering how out-of-supply most of the other Chinese armies are.

Aren't the Chinese armies always out of supply in this game?

FourCartridge
Apr 30, 2015
Just binge read though this in the span of a week. the level of insane detail here is amazing. Here I go thinking War Plan Pacific was considered a grognard game...

I'd like to claim the USS Pennsylvania if she's still afloat and not claimed by someone else yet (ship database says no).

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Friend Commuter posted:

Aren't the Chinese armies always out of supply in this game?

Yeah but now they're like... EXTRA out of supplies.

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

What's going on in the South Pacific? You still hellbent on invading Fiji?

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






I need to remember to cancel this!







The Akyab runway is today's target.



Attacks are also made on the latest supply convoy.



We have the AV advantage here, but the fortifications mean it would be suicide to attack.



There is nothing we can do about Akyab, for now – troops are marching to retake it.







Stay where I can find you.....



Unfortunately, the allied commander is also getting daily reports of our position.







I can almost taste that carrier!



Soooonn.

dublish
Oct 31, 2011



You tease. I bet you don't even have anything in Chungking anymore.

Grumio
Sep 20, 2001

in culina est

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

dublish posted:

You tease. I bet you don't even have anything in Chungking anymore.

they are still there - 2k AV tieing down 4k of Chinese troops.

Jesenjin
Nov 12, 2011

Grey Hunter posted:

they are still there - 2k AV tieing down 4k of Chinese troops.

Any plan of getting more troops there, or are they doomed to perish?

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Jesenjin posted:

Any plan of getting more troops there, or are they doomed to perish?

they still have the fortress, air cover and can't retreat.

All they can do now is die as the emperor demands.

Jesenjin
Nov 12, 2011

Grey Hunter posted:

they still have the fortress, air cover and can't retreat.

All they can do now is die as the emperor demands.

And now I am imagining space chaplain giving a prep talk to a group of space marines before fighting the Orkz.

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

Jesenjin posted:

And now I am imagining space chaplain giving a prep talk to a group of space marines before fighting the Orkz.

In the grim darkness of the far future 1940's China, there is only war BANZAI :japan:

Comrade Koba fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Sep 4, 2016

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






Dammit!



We trade a couple of planes over Darwin.







We see some fuel cargo burning.







I fixed the planes – the men who were marching here cancelled their movement 75% of the way through, but I've not forgotten about China!



Oh hey, we finally get these guys to retreat.







Their bombers go after our troops in Chittagong.







Hmmm, which way to go to get that carrier – I know its in the area, but where?



We trade sub kills.

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

A White Guy posted:

What's going on in the South Pacific? You still hellbent on invading Fiji?

He accidentally told the army to go to Fuji instead. The keys are, like, right next to each other, you know?

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Grey Hunter posted:

It still boggles the mind that you have to order torpedoes, while bombs are automatically generated. Stupid UI and all that.

Shut up Grey! Next patch they'll probably add a button to turn supplies into bombs that you have to click for each squadron.

Anyone have any luck getting Admirals Edition to run properly at 4K? I'm still fighting with it. :(

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






Well, a lot to say here. I think this is a new force, not the one we are hunting further west. These planes are from the Kiddo Butai, which I didn't quite have enough fuel to send out,
Either way, those “obsolete biplanes” you guys are always going on about just crippled a CVE!



This is a bad showing!



The Kido Butai continues to make no contact with the other carrier task force.



They do waste planes going after some patrol boats though.







Well, did we get her?



No points, but its hard to see her surviving a hit like that.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011


The USS Long Island (CVE-1) was the first ever escort carrier of the United States Navy. Built on a cargo ship hull, she was commissioned in the summer of 1941 and initially used as an experimental ship to test the feasibility of flying aircraft off converted cargo ships. Apparently a lot of this data was very useful for the later production of escort carriers ("baby flattops") by the USN.

Most of Long Island's activities during the war were pilot training stateside and ferrying aircraft, most notably carrying the first aircraft (19 Wildcats and 12 Dauntlesses) to Henderson Field on Guadalcanal in August 1942. She survived the war and was sold off in 1947, at which point she was converted into a passenger ship and served in this role until 1966, when she was purchased by Rotterdam University and used as a student hostel until finally being scrapped in 1977.


Long Island ferrying aircraft, a much more common role than actual combat operations.



So here Grey has come out ahead of history by sinking a ship that historically survived--though, also, that historically was never really involved in combat operations.

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

After following this thread for so long I wince every time I see someone in HOI4 deploy a BB battlegroup without air cover. Its horrifying to watch them set ships to patrol at random in range of land based air.

So thank you for teaching me to fear torpedo bombers Grey.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


vyelkin posted:


Long Island ferrying aircraft, a much more common role than actual combat operations.

I've always wondered how the planes on the edge don't just topple off whenever the sea gets choppy.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Drone posted:

I've always wondered how the planes on the edge don't just topple off whenever the sea gets choppy.

Chocks and tie-downs





Note the tie-downs on each wing leading to the carrier "runway"

Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Sep 6, 2016

sullat
Jan 9, 2012
Hopefully you don't have to manually order them to tie down the aircraft for rough weather in this game when you are ferrying aircraft.

alex314
Nov 22, 2007

LLSix posted:

After following this thread for so long I wince every time I see someone in HOI4 deploy a BB battlegroup without air cover. Its horrifying to watch them set ships to patrol at random in range of land based air.

So thank you for teaching me to fear torpedo bombers Grey.

Do HoI4 have a proper naval damage model now? I remember as long as 1 HP was left on a ship it could be fully repaired in earlier games.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

sullat posted:

Hopefully you don't have to manually order them to tie down the aircraft for rough weather in this game when you are ferrying aircraft.

More than that you'd try to figure out why your carriers didn't send up and CAP and it turned out that they all got tied down 2 weeks ago and you never manually unclicked them.

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011


Lipstick Apathy

alex314 posted:

Do HoI4 have a proper naval damage model now? I remember as long as 1 HP was left on a ship it could be fully repaired in earlier games.

The only thing you need to know about HOI4 is it is fun as hell especially MP if you have friends.

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A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

One torpedo is probably not enough to sink the Long Island, especially with Allied damage control. Hopefully tomorrow brings another successful torpedo strike or confirmation that the she's gone under the waves.

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