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d0s posted:you turn it off and play a raiden game that isn't raiden III because holy poo poo what happened there It was made by MOSS of course, while the real Seibu were out for porn mahjong (allegedly). SP-1 hardware Seibu was the beautiful swan song of it, Raiden Fighters series is to Raiden III what Darius Gaiden was to G-Darius. Wish they'd all transfered to 3D as well as Gradius and R-Type did.
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d0s posted:not counting what you listed: You forgot Baseball Stars 2, the greatest baseball game ever
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MrLonghair posted:It was made by MOSS of course, while the real Seibu were out for porn mahjong (allegedly). SP-1 hardware Seibu was the beautiful swan song of it, Raiden Fighters series is to Raiden III what Darius Gaiden was to G-Darius. I had heard it was the same guys just under a different name, but honestly your version is probably right because it doesn't feel much like a seibu game. I think raiden IV made up for it a bit but yeah their SPI stuff can't be topped. I'm really sad that Viper Phase 1 never got an true sequels or home port, and is stuck on hardware that's impossible to play on a TV with a supergun thanks to the weird refresh rate
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El Estrago Bonito posted:All the people I know who owned a NG of any stripe were adults with real jobs who also like fighting games. I would have never put it in the same category as another system if you were a kid or teen because it was insanely expensive (although compared to owning a TGCD or Genesis with a 32x or Sega CD not really that much more in the grand scheme of things). You have to think of it as being aimed at the kind of people we are now, the sort of people who these days pay big money for modded systems and scanline generators were the people back then who cared enough about the difference between arcade fatal fury and SNES fatal fury to warrant buying a several hundred dollar system to play one of those over the other. Smoking Crow posted:You forgot Baseball Stars 2, the greatest baseball game ever
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UnhandledException posted:Never knew anyone that owned a Neo Geo, so that makes sense. The way emulators displayed on my CRT TV was just not authentic enough, 240p over a PS4 seems like the right decision. I'd also recommend Street Hoop (aka Dunk Dream), a very fun basketball game. Not quite at the level of Baseball Stars 2, but still extremely fun and definitely worth playing.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:All the people I know who owned a NG of any stripe were adults with real jobs who also like fighting games. I would have never put it in the same category as another system if you were a kid or teen because it was insanely expensive (although compared to owning a TGCD or Genesis with a 32x or Sega CD not really that much more in the grand scheme of things). A domesticated Neo Geo was practically a suburban myth when I was a kid, like the local crybaby bridge or that episode of GI Joe where the Baroness was naked. I didn't have a Neo Geo and neither did my friends, but I heard that some sixth-grader's uncle totally had one and let him borrow it! Of course, the mystique wore off once I realized that Neo Geo games were just prettier versions of what I could get on the Genesis and Super NES. For a kid who saved up for RPGs and felt ripped off if they lasted under 30 hours, a Neo Geo action game or shooter worked out to $200 for 45 minutes. d0s posted:nobody who plays fighing games gives a poo poo about realistic physics, just like nobody gives a poo poo about the story. Speak for yourself. I'm still waiting to see which BloodStorm ending is ruled canon in the sequel, Nekron Strikes Back. http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/a/blostohel.htm I actually like how fighting games emphasize characters; they have to catch the player's eye within a 30-second selection screen, and they need to make a strong enough impression, both visually and in gameplay, that you'll want to learn more about them. No other genre really has that.
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Allen Wren posted:I mentioned this in another thread where we were talking about games, I figure I might as well mention it here as well, since it's about retro-style gaming and a game that is, itself, retro at this point. XYZ fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Sep 4, 2016 |
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Allen Wren posted:It's like 12 years old at this point, but what's the last you heard out of the genre worth a drat? Seriously. Give it a go. I love the hell out of it. I really enjoyed Wizball, but the genre hasn't had a lot of...breakouts in the past two decades.
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My other favorite Neo-Geo sports game is Neo-Geo Cup 98. Great game. Set the BIOS to Europe so you can get BUT! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKhlN7wH12s
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MrLonghair posted:SP-1 hardware Seibu was the beautiful swan song of it, Raiden Fighters series is to Raiden III what Darius Gaiden was to G-Darius. I think G-Darius is actually a pretty cool game. It's just the most common version (PS1) wasn't coded optimally and crawls. Try it in MAME sometime. There's also Darius Burst, which is 3D and a lot of the shmup community loves. Border Down is good and basically a Darius game, without the nice colors and fishmechs (!).
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Rollersnake posted:Oh, hey, other fans of this game do exist. It's the best game in its genre. Yes, better than Shatter even. Also, the soundtrack is totally great. Huh, I had no idea---then again, I never had a Vita, so I never paid attention to what came out for it. XYZ posted:
That's weird, it started right up for me, if I had any idea that was a necessary thing, I'd have mentioned it. My bad. Shlomo Palestein posted:I really enjoyed Wizball, but the genre hasn't had a lot of...breakouts in the past two decades. See, I've never even heard of Wizball, the last I can think of is like the SNES Arkanoid and the PS1 Breakout. Still.
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POWBALL is a great variation on the arkanoid sort of game, but it's DOS-only. Someone got approval from the original authors for a modern Windows remake, but I haven't played it. https://archive.org/details/Powball https://archive.org/details/msdos_Powball_1997 https://alchemizt.itch.io/powball-renaissance
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Allen Wren posted:
 Had to change my video settings to enforce the aspect ratio but it works great now. Fun game.
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I'll also recommend Metal Black, originally intended to be Darius 3. It ends with one of the trippiest boss fights in video games, I can't even begin to describe it.
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Two good ball-n-paddle arcade games are Toaplan's Ghox and Seta's Thunder And Lightning. Both can be played with joystick controls. You'll need ThunderMAME's samplehacks for sound in the former, and the latter is super-cute and probably Seta's best game, honestly. Their shmups were loving abysmal (except maybe Thundercade). There's also Puchi-Carat, which is similar to Puzzle Bobble and is full of waifus I think?
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XYZ posted:
Yeah, same. That I did at least mention in my first post. I was kind of tearing my hair out about it, but I had accidentally set it so the monitor enforced the aspect ratio, not the GPU, once I fixed that, it was solid.
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Shlomo Palestein posted:I really enjoyed Wizball, but the genre hasn't had a lot of...breakouts in the past two decades. Are you talking about the C64 game because idk if it really fits into that genre, it's like it's own genre Unless you're thinking of Devilish which is a wizard themed breakout clone (and also rad as heck)
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Kid Fenris posted:Of course, the mystique wore off once I realized that Neo Geo games were just prettier versions of what I could get on the Genesis and Super NES. so they're like the games on two of the most beloved systems of all time, only better, and this is... bad? e: Kid Fenris posted:a Neo Geo action game or shooter worked out to $200 for 45 minutes. wow it takes you 45 minutes to clear a neo-geo game? you do know they're credit limited on home versions right. you gotta film yourself and upload that poo poo on youtube e: Ofecks posted:Border Down is good yeah it really is d0s fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Sep 4, 2016 |
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A lot of the Neo Geo's home console mystique, at least for me, is that it was so inaccessible back in the day. Never mind the cost of the hardware and games - just finding either at retail would have been a challenge in my home state. It didn't matter that you could probably beat (if not master) a lot of the platform's games on the arcade hardware for much less than the price of buying an AES or NGCD and games for either console; the exclusive and elusive nature of the Neo Geo home consoles added a lot to their allure. Any bourgeois yuppie could buy an MVS machine just like the ones in countless grungy convenience stores to uselessly flaunt their wealth, but an AES or whatever? That implied connections, or drive, or some intangible cool something beyond mere money. Which I admit all sounds materialistic and shallow and stupid, but it should be considered in the context of the 1990 to 1995 period, when Internet access was still uncommon, most information came from TV, papers, and magazines, and actually trying to find information, goods, and services was a lot more involved than it is today. So, from a mythical standpoint, someone who owned an AES would have maybe been viewed as being in deep with something more than the humdrum workaday world. It would probably be something insufferably geeky in retrospect, like fansubbed anime on VHS straight from Japan, obscure heavy metal tapes, BBS snarking, and all the other subculture overlap in the pre-developed Internet era, but it would still be a hint at a broader world than one might have known otherwise. I guess I could summarize this as saying that the AES was one mental icon for me of all the cool and interesting things I would briefly glimpse and hear about on TV or read about in magazines, all going on in places other than the small college burg I lived in and basically knew the corners of too well.
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Kthulhu5000 posted:That implied connections, or drive, or some intangible cool something beyond mere money. yeah this is kinda what I was trying to describe before, like as a kid who really liked games and wanted to know all about them catching glimpses of that stuff was like confirmation that a few people older than you with lots of money to throw around also "got it" and that it wasn't something everyone automatically stopped doing once they got older. it sounds stupid now but back then games were looked at way differently by society for the most part and neo-geo home stuff had this feeling of (I swear I can't think of a less embarrassing phrase) sophisticated nerdiness, you weren't gonna be a 30 year old playing super mario and watching ninja turtles, you were gonna be a 30 year old playing arcade perfect samurai shodown with all the blood turned on and watching akira on laserdisc, which seemed really awesome to a 10 year old d0s fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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Ofecks posted:Seta's Thunder And Lightning Those loving turtle blocks!  d0s posted:Are you talking about the C64 game because idk if it really fits into that genre, it's like it's own genre They probably meant Wizorb, which is also very good, but I'd put it at a distant third behind BreakQuest and Shatter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtLZQnb4NiE This is BreakQuest: Extra Evolution, the PS Vita-exclusive sequel. Because you basically need a mouse or trackball (or one of those cool Arkanoid dial controllers) to do this sort of game well, the play control is bad, and they made the game extremely easy (slow ball, a constantly refilling barrier) to compensate. To put this in perspective, it's a freemium title on Vita, and I completed it 100% paying $0 and getting every trophy except the ones for losing 50 balls and playing 24 hours. It's a shame this never got a proper PC release, as the aesthetic's as cool as the first game's, and it has actual boss fights. Rollersnake fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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Rollersnake posted:Those loving turtle blocks! Has Firestriker been mentioned yet because it's another good fantasy themed breakout, this time on snes e: but it really fucks with the formula so beware purists d0s fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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I've never been into Breakout-style games - some of them seem close enough to shooting games that I think I should enjoy them (especially the explicitly shooty ones like Gunbarich) but they always feel mega-random to me and I never stick with them.
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:I've never been into Breakout-style games - some of them seem close enough to shooting games that I think I should enjoy them (especially the explicitly shooty ones like Gunbarich) but they always feel mega-random to me and I never stick with them. You should still give BreakQuest a shot, as one of its main mechanics is a limited gravity control button. You pretty much never end up in the situation of bouncing the ball around the same stage for ages trying to hit the last lousy block. d0s posted:Has Firestriker been mentioned yet because it's another good fantasy themed breakout, this time on snes I don't think it has, but it's one of the great forgotten co-op games for sure.
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holy poo poo i had no idea this existed and now I need it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devilish:_Ball_Bounder e: wtf how does this manage to be less colorful than a genesis game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHhxEd4AFI0
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d0s posted:so they're like the games on two of the most beloved systems of all time, only better, and this is... bad? Well, yeah. When you want a $600 game console, it's disillusioning to realize that it's only a visual leap above the 16-bit system you already have. Now, that Sega CD is different! It's got games made with video footage, so it'll be like playing a movie! quote:wow it takes you 45 minutes to clear a neo-geo game? you do know they're credit limited on home versions right. you gotta film yourself and upload that poo poo on youtube The first batch of Neo Geo games (Cyber-Lip, Magician Lord, etc) have unlimited continues even in the home versions, if I remember right.
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Kid Fenris posted:The first batch of Neo Geo games (Cyber-Lip, Magician Lord, etc) have unlimited continues even in the home versions, if I remember right. I don't think many people were buying a Neo-Geo for those games, it was mostly bought during the time competitive fighting games were huge and the cost was justified to people because it was arcade perfect fighting games in your house that you could play with other people, I don't think very many of the people who cared enough and knew enough to get a neo geo were thinking "man I should have just saved my money and gotten the janky SNES port of samurai shodown" or "geez why is this $600 home arcade machine only playing arcade games" e: and even if someone was nuts enough for NAM-1975 or magician lord to buy a neo they were probably comfortable with the idea of credit feeding to get good and learn the game and understood that you don't just play an arcade game you dropped so much cash on for 45 minutes until you see the ending via cheezing credits e2: AND ANOTHER THING go play a neo-geo port on SNES or genesis and tell me the real thing is just a graphical upgrade and nothing more 
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Oh boy! Boxed SNES games at my local overpriced video game store during one of their holiday weekend sales! I'm sure they've got great stuff! Oh. I did get Desert Strike, though. I also got X-Men 2 for the Genesis (no more resetting the computer now!), E-SWAT, and Super Thunder Blade. I also grabbed Midway Arcade Classics volume 1 for the Xbox because I got confused and thought that the Xbox version had exclusive games on it.
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Rollersnake posted:I think it's the Taito collections that had extra games on Xbox? Yep. And reviewing closely, I find that I have them all on Taito Memories, the four part Japanese release that has a lot more than the US releases across all of them, anyway. At least the second copy of Midway Arcade Classics only cost me $2.
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Kid Fenris posted:A domesticated Neo Geo was practically a suburban myth when I was a kid, like the local crybaby bridge or that episode of GI Joe where the Baroness was naked. I didn't have a Neo Geo and neither did my friends, but I heard that some sixth-grader's uncle totally had one and let him borrow it! When I was a kid the only person I knew with an NG was my friend's uncle who worked for Sony Bend back when that was a developer that existed. But that guy also had a bunch of arcade machines and a hang-on cab, so basically the most stereotypical "cool uncle" you can think of. The late 90's tech money bubble was very real in Oregon.
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d0s posted:I don't think many people were buying a Neo-Geo for those games, it was mostly bought during the time competitive fighting games were huge and the cost was justified to people because it was arcade perfect fighting games in your house that you could play with other people, I don't think very many of the people who cared enough and knew enough to get a neo geo were thinking "man I should have just saved my money and gotten the janky SNES port of samurai shodown" or "geez why is this $600 home arcade machine only playing arcade games" The Neo Geo didn't have many fighters when it was most visible in the mainstream; this would be from 1991 to 1993, the time of big magazine spreads about the Neo Geo's first few waves and the ad campaigns about puppy pee and hot dogs and neglected girlfriends. By the time the fighting game craze began, the Neo Geo had moved into niche status and most kids had made up their minds about it. We'd sure have loved a Neo if we won that magazine contest for EVERY GAME SYSTEM, but we'd given up on owning one through conventional means. quote:e2: AND ANOTHER THING go play a neo-geo port on SNES or genesis and tell me the real thing is just a graphical upgrade and nothing more Put Last Resort next to Thunder Force III or Cyber-Lip (or Metal Slug) next to Contra III, and you'll see why I thought that Neo Geo games were just "better looking versions." Were we really that picky about arcade ports as kids? I remember thinking it was lame that the character close-ups didn't animate in 2020 Super Baseball for the Super NES, but that didn't make me put my game-buying budget for the next three years into a Neo Geo.
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Random Stranger posted:Oh boy! Boxed SNES games at my local overpriced video game store during one of their holiday weekend sales! I'm sure they've got great stuff! The other thing that's retro must be the camera you took that with
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d0s posted:Are you talking about the C64 game because idk if it really fits into that genre, it's like it's own genre God, I meant wizorb!
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Kid Fenris posted:Were we really that picky about arcade ports as kids? I remember thinking it was lame that the character close-ups didn't animate in 2020 Super Baseball for the Super NES, but that didn't make me put my game-buying budget for the next three years into a Neo Geo. You were if you owned a C64, I tell ya what.
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http://www.visions4.net/journal/time-line/ Fascinating read about small TVs, tech, developments, release history. You bet I wanna play games on one.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:When I was a kid the only person I knew with an NG was my friend's uncle who worked for Sony Bend back when that was a developer that existed. But that guy also had a bunch of arcade machines and a hang-on cab, so basically the most stereotypical "cool uncle" you can think of. The late 90's tech money bubble was very real in Oregon. Sony Bend is actually still around! They're working on a game called Days Gone for PS4 right now.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Did I see Super Star Wars there or are my eyes deceiving me In my pic? I thought it was Super Star Wars at first glance myself. Turns out it was Super Strike Eagle. I figure those boxes all came from the same collection and I can only conclude that despite holding onto everything this person also had terrible taste in games. I've been playing some X-Men 2 now that I've finished up my work for the day. I played it a few times before, but I don't remember it being this awkward. Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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