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Axetrain posted:I forgot which goon wrote it but I saved a nice writeup in response to people claiming fast food workers aren't worth 15$ an hour and what they "deserve".
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fishmech posted:Stop buying lovely knockoff watches and you'll stop having your watch break when you take a shower. quote:International Standards Organization (ISOO 2281: So is there a subject you do know about or is it all out of your rear end?
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Eifert Posting posted:So is there a subject you do know about or is it all out of your rear end? Fishmech knows literally every subject. We are blessed to have his genius around to educate us in a condescending manner on a multitude of topics.
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Sep 6, 2016 02:36
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Eifert Posting posted:So is there a subject you do know about or is it all out of your rear end? This is a good post but wow is that dumb. Literally putting "100 feet" means ZERO WATER RESISTANCE PERIOD
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Eifert Posting posted:International Standards Organization (ISOO 2281: And none of that means "it's typical and expected that a shower will break the watch". I get that you're paranoid about it and/or exclusively buy lovely knockoff watches whose only resistance mark is a sticker they printed out, but it's not a problem with your average Timex/Casio/etc cheap 30m watch.
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Chuu posted:"Solved" might be an exaggeration, but Google's street cars have been on the road for more than a year now in Mountain View California which is definitely not a "featureless grid". Google's cars rely on them essentially photographing every intersection to make a map and they still have a human backup.
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Sep 6, 2016 02:41
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How do you take a shower so hot steam is permeating your watch. My wife takes showers like that and if I try I feel like I'm getting second degree burns.
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Sep 6, 2016 02:43
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Chuu posted:It's hard to tell from your post; but the current model is that you won't own an autonomous car. They'll be owned by companies like Uber and Google (and Ford? They want in) and you'll exclusively be using an app like Uber to interact with them. this might take a big bite out of the used car market but for many americans owning a car is mentally a token of independence and it will take at least a generation to loosen the idea of owning your own car. especially if you keep personal belongings in the car, have multiple children, etc. large companies lease tons of housing across america but people still predominantly aspire to home ownership, which usually necessitates one or more cars, and people place a high premium on immediate access to a car - or they will the first time they need to quickly run down to the store for some child medicine or something and are faced with a 30-45 minute wait for a robot taxi to arrive boner confessor fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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Sep 6, 2016 02:44
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fishmech posted:And none of that means "it's typical and expected that a shower will break the watch". I get that you're paranoid about it and/or exclusively buy lovely knockoff watches whose only resistance mark is a sticker they printed out, but it's not a problem with your average Timex/Casio/etc cheap 30m watch. Showering broke my 50m $300 watch bought straight from the manufacturer. The actual price of the watch is irrelevant. A $10,000 watch rated at 10 bar wouldn't have been better. Luckily it was under warranty, lied through my teeth about wearing it in a shower though. BiohazrD posted:This is a good post but wow is that dumb. Literally putting "100 feet" means ZERO WATER RESISTANCE PERIOD Preaching to the choir. If you dig through the Watch thread in W&W you can find me losing my mind when it was explained to me.
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Eifert Posting posted:Showering broke my 50m $300 watch bought straight from the manufacturer. The actual price of the watch is irrelevant. A $10,000 watch rated at 10 bar wouldn't have been better. Luckily it was under warranty, lied through my teeth about wearing it in a shower though. Sounds like you bought a lovely watch from a lovely company for way too much money bro. Meanwhile my various sub $50 but name-brand watches over the years, whether labeled 30m or not labeled water resistant at all, have been just fine in showering. Though one of them had the band get all weird and moldy so I had to get a replacement, but it still worked. But let's go back to how you apparently deliberately got your Nexus 7 tablet wet as you mentioned before! Didn't you get warned about it? 
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Sep 6, 2016 02:48
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Fishmech, this is unrelated to the current riveting watch discussion, but when was the last time you were wrong?
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Are y'all arguing about watch standards holy poo poo
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Sep 6, 2016 02:49
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VanSandman posted:Fishmech, this is unrelated to the current riveting watch discussion, but when was the last time you were wrong? September 11, 2001.
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fishmech posted:And none of that means "it's typical and expected that a shower will break the watch". I get that you're paranoid about it and/or exclusively buy lovely knockoff watches whose only resistance mark is a sticker they printed out, but it's not a problem with your average Timex/Casio/etc cheap 30m watch. I'm in a minority here but I think probably one in ten of your posts are actually informative and worth reading. Any chance you could just stop posting the other nine?
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Sep 6, 2016 02:52
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fishmech posted:Stop buying lovely knockoff watches and you'll stop having your watch break when you take a shower. Like seriously a 30m watch should not break just from having a little hot water around it, unless you insist on having some intentionally archaic design. you need therapy to figure out why you are such a prick.
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Sep 6, 2016 02:53
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Being wrong is one thing but being wrong and being insufferable about it is the worst part of his lovely posting.
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Kilroy posted:I mean, it's literally right there in the post you quoted. It isn't though. The actual case is that showering isn't an issue for the vast majority of watches. Because hot water isn't some magic thing that's really hard to seal against. Cry harder. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 6, 2016 02:57
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Luna Was Here posted:Wasn't the issue with Gawker is that they didn't honor a DMCA claim on the Hogan sex-tape and then they proceeded to write actual false stuff about Hogan? I don't see how Ailes has a case here but then again all I'm going off of is this article. Not at all, the courts agreed the sex tape was newsworthy.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:this might take a big bite out of the used car market but for many americans owning a car is mentally a token of independence and it will take at least a generation to loosen the idea of owning your own car. especially if you keep personal belongings in the car, have multiple children, etc. I think it'll come much sooner than that. I know many people who are already completely dependent on Public Transit and Uber, and I've done the math and when my car breaks down it makes no sense to buy a used one to replace it as long as Uber can keep paying their drivers slave wages and p2p car rental sites like Turo are growing popular. Granted this is in a city with good public transit and super high density. You've already started seeing the change in cities like NY and Chicago -- but it'll probably be a while before it penetrates cities like DFW. Related, but the idea of people owning cars and driving to High School still blows my mind. I guess if you grew up in a city like Chicago or NY then car culture really isn't part of your cultural identity like it is in most cities. Chuu fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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Sep 6, 2016 02:59
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Kilroy posted:Negotiation or, more accurately, leverage are excellent points though - the goon in question just failed to realize that voting for minimum wage increases and joining a union are how working class people use their leverage. Yeah of course, that was originally written in regards to the New York fast food workers successfully getting their minimum wage increased to 15$ an hour through political action.
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Sep 6, 2016 03:00
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fishmech posted:Sounds like you bought a lovely watch from a lovely company for way too much money bro. Meanwhile my various sub $50 but name-brand watches over the years, whether labeled 30m or not labeled water resistant at all, have been just fine in showering. Though one of them had the band get all weird and moldy so I had to get a replacement, but it still worked. I didn't get my phone wet because I learned my lesson and research major purchases now. You can keep your casio and I'll keep my watch http://imgur.com/W9fU7yU It's a repro (from the same company and using the same production equipment) of the watch the Chinese government produced as a political statement for their pilots in the late 50s. It's also the only column wheel chronograph movement you'll find under a grand. Somehow I've gotten past the fact that it can't get wet.
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hold on, y'all are missing an important point with watch talk. Why the gently caress are you guys wearing watches in the shower in the first place?
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Eifert Posting posted:International Standards Organization (ISOO 2281: This would then be false advertising, correct? What if Tesla came out with a 30M watch?
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Sep 6, 2016 03:02
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Eifert Posting posted:I didn't get my phone wet because I learned my lesson and research major purchases now. So beforehand you thought it was a great idea to get your cell phone wet, boy you're a real genius! Remind again why you believe it's ok for Tesla to advertise autopilot when you thought it would be ok to get a phone wet? Your watch looks like poo poo, and some random Chinese company's knockoff of an old watch design doesn't apply to watches normal people wear. I strongly doubt that when they made it back then they put any water resistance info on it at all.
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Sep 6, 2016 03:05
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Phyllis Schlafly is dead and good loving riddance
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Chuu posted:I think it'll come much sooner than that. I know many people who are already completely dependent on Public Transit and Uber, and I've done the math and when my car breaks down it makes almost no sense to buy a used one to replace it as long as Uber can keep paying their drivers slave wages. even in 2016 a majority of americans live in suburbs. cities are growing and reversing the population loss trend of 1950-1990 but suburbs are growing even faster, because we have car ownership baked into our urban development patterns as a necessity for a majority of americans for example, i live in atlanta, which has 500k people who live in the city itself, maybe another .5-1m in the core urbanized area in cities other than atlanta, about 2m in the immediate suburbs, and about 2m in the distant suburbs. most people need cars betweenat roughly the same time to go to work, which is why rush hour happens. so if you manage a fleet of robot cars, your demand spikes during the am/pm commute and flatlines at night. is it economically feasible to keep so many cars available that everyone who summons one between 8-10am has a short enough wait to make it worth their while? because if not, you're going to lose business as people just buy their own cars so they don't have to wait at all. like there's just no way for autonomous fleet or taxi services to cope with american travel patterns in any way that's going to cause widespread change, considering that any change in urban development or travel patterns is going to be away from automobiles, because we're already so heavily invested in autos as the predominant transportation mode that we couldn't possibly increase that rate to any large degree (seriously it's like 85%) as big as america's cities are, the majority of the population lives in suburbs - if everyone you know is an urban dweller, you're an outlier
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poop device posted:This would then be false advertising, correct? What if Tesla came out with a 30M watch? No. They used to say waterproof to x meters, and if I remember right a major watchmaker was sued. It's misleading as hell but this sort of thing is nearly impossible to challenge in court, particularly if you're not another corporation with deep pockets. Any watch you buy will have documentation with those standards on it.
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rscott posted:Phyllis Schlafly is dead and good loving riddance Death's doing work this year for sure.
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rscott posted:Phyllis Schlafly is dead and good loving riddance And Scalia is still dead! 
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That watch is gorgeous. Also sorry about the automation thing, but as a previous poster said, fixating solely on cars ignores automation elsewhere. My own line of work is rapidly approaching the chopping block. We use to be butchers, now we're just meat cutters since most of the butchery is done in factory settings and soon enough everything will come in pre-pack and what would be the point of paying someone like me what I get paid if all I am doing is scaling something up and slapping a label on it?
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Wait is someone wearing their watch in the shower? I'm confused.
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Eifert Posting posted:No. They used to say waterproof to x meters, and if I remember right a major watchmaker was sued. It's misleading as hell but this sort of thing is nearly impossible to challenge in court, particularly if you're not another corporation with deep pockets. Any watch you buy will have documentation with those standards on it. What if they didn't read the documentation? A lot of people's watches could get hurt. We'll probably never adopt waterproof watches as a standard, it's too difficult.
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fishmech posted:It isn't though. The actual case is that showering isn't an issue for the vast majority of watches. Because hot water isn't some magic thing that's really hard to seal against. In this case, you are arguing against the definition set by the international standard. Is that standard itself phrased deceptively? Sure. That doesn't change the fact that the definition states that a product classified in that way is vulnerable to water damage if worn in the shower.
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Sorus posted:That watch is gorgeous. can robots do this? http://www.ift.org/food-technology/daily-news/2016/august/30/meat-science-researcher-develops-new-steak-cut.aspx
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Develop new cuts? Probably not. But once it's taught what to do yeah, it totally could.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:can robots do this? That's kind of like asking whether robotic cars will be able to design a racetrack. No, of course not, but most butchers aren't doing research work either.
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Everyone makes me the mistake of arguing with fishmech once Its the ones who make the mistake twice who are perplexing
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^^^^^^ Didn't notice his user name until after I'd already gotten invested in the argument. I'm dropping the watch example because I've already won and you're debating like some weird 19 year old lovechild of Hannity and Cunningham. fishmech posted:So beforehand you thought it was a great idea to get your cell phone wet, boy you're a real genius! Remind again why you believe it's ok for Tesla to advertise autopilot when you thought it would be ok to get a phone wet? Galaxy, not Nexus, I always mix those two up. Here's the commercial: https://youtu.be/l5aF23XpBwU Here's what the phone will reliably work in: http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s7-not-quite-waterproof-torture-tests-reveal/ Companies often use terms that have a different literal meaning than might be interpreted by a layman. Autopilot is one. The onus on the company is to provide documentation and clarify the meaning, not to avoid any posible misunderstanding by an ignorant consumer. Hell, you used software agreements as an example earlier. How many consumers know they aren't actually buying a videogame when they pay for it? That misconception doesn't magically give them rights outside of their license agreement. Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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If I understand D&D right, wouldn't this Fishmech person normally be one to fall back on something like an international standard to proclaim himself technically correct? By arguing himself into being against the technically correct definition he has certainly found his waterloo, which I assume was the shower that Napoleon slipped in and died and also had his watch ruined by.
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I mean, while I'm at it, I really have to agree that using the term "autopilot" is going to get more people killed if it isn't changed. Especially with all the techie hype about self-driving cars and general technological optimism. But they will die with all their food meticulously GMO labeled.
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