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Just a quick post to remind you that DS9 is Best Trek, even pre-beard.
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Sep 6, 2016 02:26
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Phobeste posted:Just a quick post to remind you that DS9 is Best Trek, even pre-beard. Q punch is pre-beard. Checks out.
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Sep 6, 2016 03:07
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The only bad DS9 is that weird time when there was both hair and beard. Dark times.
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Sep 6, 2016 03:39
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All the red squad episodes are terrible. Especially this one with the cadet crew on the not-Defiant.
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Sep 6, 2016 03:44
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Admiral Bosch posted:All the red squad episodes are terrible. Especially this one with the cadet crew on the not-Defiant. That one was the goddamned worst. I'm at season 5 on Voyager, the opener with the two year black void wasn't bad, I'm watching Drone right now and it's quite good. I remember enjoying this one when it originally aired.
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Sep 6, 2016 03:47
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Admiral Bosch posted:All the red squad episodes are terrible. Especially this one with the cadet crew on the not-Defiant. Uh, you get to watch those losers get themselves blown up in truly idiotic fashion, so there's no way it's a bad episode.
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Sep 6, 2016 03:47
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I mean, seriously, watching those morons explode after 42 minutes of listening to them prattle on about DUTY and STARFLEET and RED SQUAD is one of the greatest payoffs DS9 ever gave us.
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Sep 6, 2016 03:49
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Uh, you get to watch those losers get themselves blown up in truly idiotic fashion, so there's no way it's a bad episode. Good point lol. I hadn't ever seen this one before, and I spoke too soon. loving christ though. That was an annoying 40 minutes. Edit: loving lol at this idiot kid still thinking the cadet captain was super great and not learning her lesson. They should have all died. Admiral Bosch fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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Sep 6, 2016 03:55
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It only would have been a bad episode if Red Squad really was as good as they thought they were.
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Sep 6, 2016 03:55
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I loved how Nog, an actual starfleet officer, let some academy bitch boss him around because they all got fake battlefield commissions.
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Sep 6, 2016 04:03
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I mean, seriously, watching those morons explode after 42 minutes of listening to them prattle on about DUTY and STARFLEET and RED SQUAD is one of the greatest payoffs DS9 ever gave us. It's honestly a rather dark story, all things told. It's a cold look at what blind loyalty, devotion to ideals over actions and creeds over logic can result in. I had no idea it was going to end in a full blown tragedy, I expected a cop-out because it's Star Trek and Star Trek manages to pull silver linings out of genocidal interstellar war. But not this time, and I liked that. I like that DS9 set up a few seeds for future Trek, of the possibility of a more militant Federation rising up in the next generation. EDIT: Really the only truly bad DS9 episodes are the ones where they don't know how to use Worf. Worf and Jadzia going to Risa is absolutely terrible.
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Sep 6, 2016 04:05
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I'll forgive even Let He Who Is Without Sin because it gave us this scene with Michael Dorn's perfect delivery and Terry Farrell's complete failure to keep a straight face at it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_t1Nx1pG-4
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Sep 6, 2016 04:14
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I say it every time that episode is brought up and I'll say it again; Worf getting pissed at ultra-relaxed Risa and deciding to ruin everyone's vacation to teach them a lesson is completely true to Worf's character. He's a giant stick in the mud about every single kind of relaxing activity that isn't poker or Klingon opera. Especially early-DS9 Worf, before Jadzia and Martok ease him into being a semi-normal person.
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Sep 6, 2016 04:23
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I say it every time that episode is brought up and I'll say it again; Worf getting pissed at ultra-relaxed Risa and deciding to ruin everyone's vacation to teach them a lesson is completely true to Worf's character. He's a giant stick in the mud about every single kind of relaxing activity that isn't poker or Klingon opera. Especially early-DS9 Worf, before Jadzia and Martok ease him into being a semi-normal person. That's actually a pretty good point, you definitely see the effect those close to Worf ultimately have on him. It's a one-note character really given a chance to sing on DS9. EDIT: He probably shoulda gone to jail for the whole weather hijacking terrorism thing though. Nobody goes to jail in Star Trek.
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Sep 6, 2016 04:39
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Locarno went to jail so hard he changed his name.
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Sep 6, 2016 04:49
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8-Bit Scholar posted:That's actually a pretty good point, you definitely see the effect those close to Worf ultimately have on him. It's a one-note character really given a chance to sing on DS9. Unless you help out the Maquis.
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Sep 6, 2016 04:49
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Gorewar posted:Unless you help out the Maquis.
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Sep 6, 2016 04:54
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I don't think "being the only klingon in starfleet" give Worf much leeway though, considering how his own people are pissed off at him fairly often. I doubt they'd care if he was drummed out or jailed. Poor Worf probably just doles out the punishment himself with painsticks later that day. Sidenote: aren't there people in this thread who don't like "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" either? Speak up cowards, I'm waiting. 
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Sep 6, 2016 05:06
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Sidenote: aren't there people in this thread who don't like "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" either? Speak up cowards, I'm waiting. My only problem with that episode is that the tiny size of the holosuite just doesn't work with a baseball field.
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Sep 6, 2016 05:08
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Rhyno posted:My only problem with that episode is that the tiny size of the holosuite just doesn't work with a baseball field. They holographed up some extra space. Don't you know anything about how holograms work???
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Sep 6, 2016 05:20
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It would really make more sense if they just jacked into the person's brain like in The Matrix.
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Sep 6, 2016 05:46
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Rhyno posted:My only problem with that episode is that the tiny size of the holosuite just doesn't work with a baseball field. gently caress you I've never thought of this and now it's ruined.
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Sep 6, 2016 06:12
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People are actually closer than they appear, and you are seeing projections of them looking further away. The ball is holographic, so the computer can compensate. Also, when you run, the floor is temporarily a treadmill. It works. Barely. "There's a hater, what do I do?" FIND HIM AND KILL HIM
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Sep 6, 2016 06:22
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Scudworth posted:gently caress you I've never thought of this and now it's ruined. When you get close to the walls of the holodeck, the treadmill effect kicks in and you are stationary as the world moves around you. The effect is localized for each person; each person interacts with their own local bubble, which only merges with another when they are close enough.
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Sep 6, 2016 06:24
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Or they rented every holosuite in Quark's and linked them together so there's only 4-5 people in each one. STOP POKING HOLES IN THIS
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Sep 6, 2016 06:26
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They got shrunk down like in that episode where the defiant got tiny.
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Sep 6, 2016 06:43
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Speaking of the holodeck, I was reading an article a while back about some VR room called "the Void" where you still wear a headset but they can control some other ambient effects in the room as well to provide extra immersion. Because they know the size of the room you'd be in (because they built it) they can take advantage of the tendency for a person to walk in circles if they can't see and have the headset turn you around before you get to a wall while you feel like you're walking in a straight line. The first thing I thought of when I read it was the Enterprise doing some funhouse mirror shenanigans to keep a room full of people from walking into eachother without the treadmills. ...not that this would work with more than one person at a time (and it might not even work without a headset) but I think it'd be funny to watch everyone throw up until they figure that out.
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Sep 6, 2016 07:07
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Sidenote: aren't there people in this thread who don't like "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" either? Speak up cowards, I'm waiting. It's bad, BMJ
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Sep 6, 2016 07:22
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Well it's not bad exactly but I don't like comedy episodes of things for the most part and when I watch in order (which why wouldn't you?) it feels like the metaplot is getting stalled far too much about that point
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Sep 6, 2016 07:24
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Trent posted:People are actually closer than they appear, and you are seeing projections of them looking further away. The ball is holographic, so the computer can compensate. Also, when you run, the floor is temporarily a treadmill.  Maybe the forcefields started stacking people vertically. Or Quark has a bigger deluxe holosuite and we just never saw it when it was turned off. There, episode saved again. armoredgorilla posted:I'll forgive even Let He Who Is Without Sin because it gave us this scene with Michael Dorn's perfect delivery and Terry Farrell's complete failure to keep a straight face at it.
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Sep 6, 2016 08:45
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The holodeck is actually a negatively curved 4-dimensional non-euclidian space. It's the only explanation.
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Sep 6, 2016 09:00
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The holodeck/suite is a lie. It's actually powered by enslaved Q's and literally transports people to newly created world that fits their specifications.
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Sep 6, 2016 09:02
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Knormal posted:Now that he mentions it, regardless of hologram trickery, there's around 20 people standing in a room this big and swinging their arms around... Quark has multiple holosuites, they just rented two and networked them.
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Sep 6, 2016 09:04
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If they can bend space like they seemingly do whenever someone sneezes at a LCARS panel then anything is possible, really.
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Sep 6, 2016 09:05
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Well it's not bad exactly but I don't like comedy episodes of things for the most part and when I watch in order (which why wouldn't you?) it feels like the metaplot is getting stalled far too much about that point Yeah, strict serialization was still a pretty new idea for the Star Trek writers at that point, so even in the Dominion War seasons, about half the episodes aren't really about that stuff. The first stretch of season 7 is particularly jarring because all the filler-y sidestories that we'd usually get scattered throughout the whole season are concentrated right at the beginning. It was really weird on rewatch because I kept thinking OK, "this is the season where poo poo gets real!" and forgot just how many episodes there are that deal with much lighter fare. I understand exactly why they did it -- season 6 got pretty dark by the end (and a chunk of the fanbase was fairly unhappy about that), so they wanted to ease up and go back to telling fun light stories while they still had the chance, but you're right that the way they're all clumped together like that got to be a bit much, especially if you were one of the people who was just waiting for them to get to the
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Sep 6, 2016 09:10
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Tunicate posted:They got shrunk down like in that episode where the defiant got tiny. No such episode exists. Bad nerd.
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Sep 6, 2016 11:41
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Duckbag posted:Yeah, strict serialization was still a pretty new idea for the Star Trek writers at that point, so even in the Dominion War seasons, about half the episodes aren't really about that stuff. The first stretch of season 7 is particularly jarring because all the filler-y sidestories that we'd usually get scattered throughout the whole season are concentrated right at the beginning. It was really weird on rewatch because I kept thinking OK, "this is the season where poo poo gets real!" and forgot just how many episodes there are that deal with much lighter fare. I understand exactly why they did it -- season 6 got pretty dark by the end (and a chunk of the fanbase was fairly unhappy about that), so they wanted to ease up and go back to telling fun light stories while they still had the chance, but you're right that the way they're all clumped together like that got to be a bit much, especially if you were one of the people who was just waiting for them to get to the They also make you spend a lot of time with Ezri. Her actress seems like a genuinely nice person that was horribly miscast and is easily the worst actor in the group (her dark mirror tough girl act was just hilariously poo poo) so it was honestly kind of painful. I think the DS9 people could have fixed her by the end of the series, honestly, though. She fared far better with several scenes in the final stretch of episodes. But her introduction stuff was handled just abysmally from top to bottom. The best Ezri episode was the transporter sniper.
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Sep 6, 2016 12:25
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I like the "Ezri goes home" episode for her family having absolutely no idea what to do with this new person wearing her face. Her mother in particular deals poorly with Ezri Dax being not Ezri Tigan. The O'Brien side is poo poo, but the exploration of being a Joined Trill was good stuff.
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Sep 6, 2016 12:41
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Hmm. Stumbled across this earlier. Would have been an interesting take.
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Sep 6, 2016 14:44
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That would have been so good.
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Sep 6, 2016 14:50
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