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It's weird to me how hard NPR was pushing the horse race this morning. They even had an interview with one of the five people voting Jill Stein.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:If you want to read something vile, this is "in news" for RCP: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/5/questions-about-hillary-clintons-health/ lmao gently caress the American media. If Trump wins I hope they're first up against the wall wondering how gosh, when did the fascists ever take over?
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Uh --- the most recent national polls (from RCP/Huffpolster) were: But, have these numbers been uncucked yet?
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Sep 6, 2016 14:55
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Lightning Knight posted:lmao gently caress the American media. They are getting desperate to spin this as a regular election while ignoring everything out of the ordinary until November.
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Sep 6, 2016 14:56
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If Fox News gives him $60 million to go away after sexually harassing people and then he has to pay "a portion of" the $20 million settlement, is he REALLY paying it out of pocket? Ailes got a sweet deal on this whole thing.
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This is as clear a holy poo poo please don't make us go through discovery. Please please please. As I have ever seen lol 20 million this quickly. Jesus.
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Sep 6, 2016 14:57
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The health bullshit is the birtherism of this election. It's 'Isn't she just so frail and weak seeming? Can you possibly vote for someone so female?' in coded language.
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Sep 6, 2016 14:59
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Dexo posted:This is as clear a holy poo poo please don't make us go through discovery. Please please please. As I have ever seen lol https://twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/773153706967703552
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Sep 6, 2016 15:00
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:There's a valid critique to how the poltical press has been treating the two candidates. The NYT has spent the last month trying to invent a pay-for-play at State, while seemingly ignoring that the other candidate pressured two state AG's investigating him into dropping charges by donating to their campaigns (and in one case, making an illegal donation through his foundation.) If Hillary doesn't want to be scrutinized she probably shouldn't have run her foundation in such a blatantly shady looking way, whether it was actually shady or not. An unfortunate consequence of not giving a poo poo if people think you're corrupt is that people will think you're corrupt It has been cool seeing liberals become as rabidly hostile to the free press as the worst Tea Partiers tho. It'll be interesting to see if this continues into her administration; I get the feeling that the level of scrutiny people have for Obama's foreign policy won't be tolerated at all under Hillary
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I don't get what she's supposed to say about her "health," anyway. "I had a loving coughing fit? Okay. I have allergies. The guy from CNN had on cologne that bothered me." icantfindaname posted:If Hillary doesn't want to be scrutinized she probably shouldn't have run her foundation in such a blatantly shady looking way, whether it was actually shady or not. An unfortunate consequence of not giving a poo poo if people think you're corrupt is that people will think you're corrupt  This would be more impactful if they'd turned up anything after literal years of probing. I am a big fan of the free press, and I am willing to wager I can talk, in way more detail than the known-bad-faith-concern-troll poster about media ethics in reporting and how investigative reporting works. The point isn't that them doing due diligence is bad -- it's that they're being willfully dishonest about their reporting. The AP's BIG LEDE for their investigation was outright false. Like it was literal journalistic malpractice. The NYT did the same thing. The Clinton Foundation -- which she never ran by the way -- earned a A from Charity Watch, a non-profit organization dedicated to charity watching. And despite literally millions of dollars of government investigations and countless hours of "reporting," not a single loving crime has been uncovered. So no, none of your bullshit claims here are true. Not that you care, you just want to make some smug, holier-than-thou post about "liberals" and some Clinton hate for good measure. But, what the gently caress ever. You're a lovely troll who gets off on this dumb kind attempt at smug-superiority and low-quality bullshit. BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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Sep 6, 2016 15:02
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Dexo posted:This is as clear a holy poo poo please don't make us go through discovery. Please please please. As I have ever seen lol 20mil AND a public apology. they must be shaking in their boots
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Night10194 posted:The health bullshit is the birtherism of this election. It's 'Isn't she just so frail and weak seeming? Can you possibly vote for someone so female?' in coded language. It's pretty sickening. Americans will vote for non-white males, but they seem to always grasp at every possible reason not to before doing so. Meanwhile, you have a man like Trump who is older, released a bogus medical letter, is clearly overweight, and, by his own admission, sleeps four hours a night. Why are we not analyzing his health? And I've said this in other posts but the point remains. The office of the vice presidency is a thing that exists. If a president dies, the country does not collapse. We have a replacement lined up pretty quickly, and I am sure Tim Kaine would do fine. Certainly better than Trump.
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icantfindaname posted:If Hillary doesn't want to be scrutinized she probably shouldn't have run her foundation in such a blatantly shady looking way, whether it was actually shady or not.
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Sep 6, 2016 15:14
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https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/773014485346848768 Well that didn't take long she's not even president yet Lightning Knight posted:lmao gently caress the American media. The Washington Times is a hard-right fringe rag nobody reads.
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Luigi Thirty posted:https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/773014485346848768 This is dumb, but *checks poster* not shocking. It's also the correct position to have, not that people like you care.
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Luigi Thirty posted:https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/773014485346848768 IIRC this isn't new, I'm pretty sure that's been her position for a while now.
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Forgall posted:Are you saying she was asking for it? Is it possible for anyone to criticize Hillary for any reason, without being a sexist?
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icantfindaname posted:Is it possible for anyone to criticize Hillary for any reason, without being a sexist? It would help if you actually had a critique that was accurate, it would help a lot.
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botany posted:20mil AND a public apology. they must be shaking in their boots I think the Murdoch Sons really don't have any loyalty to Ailes that their dad did and want the old fucker out and buried ASAP. This is just their chance. Being ruthless and quick like this gives their best chance to throw the fat, paranoid rear end in a top hat under the bus and say "Look, we're totally taking Fox in a new direction!" to distract from how little they change (I have no insider information on Fox's plans, I just assume the worst out of everyone). It also, as mentioned, keeps the discussion private so we don't get to see how much of the sexist atmosphere was just Ailes and how much was the entire management as a whole. Though it also looks like Ailes ain't too happy about the whole thing because Fox did most of the negotiating and told him/his team to sit down and shut up. The end of the Vanity Fair article mentions Ailes might be starting to raise a stink, which might ruin the Murdoch Sons' plans to keep this quick, quiet and clean.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I don't get what she's supposed to say about her "health," anyway. OK but Trump is winning now.
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Her official position has always been to support a $12 minimum wage, but that she also "supports the workers in NYC and other places in the Fight for 15 movement" which doesn't actually commit her to a national $15 min, but is a vague support for the concept. Basically, Hillary.txt
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Petr posted:OK but Trump is winning now. No, he had a lead in a single CNN poll. This isn't real hard to grasp folks.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:https://twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/773152550417731584 http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/greta-van-susteran-bolts-fox-news-right-after-20-million-gretchen-carlson-settlement-announced/ quote:In its official announcement, Fox News didn’t mention any reason for Van Susteren’s decision to leave — instead, it mostly discussed the qualifications of Brit Hume, who will be taking over for Carlson during the network’s 7 p.m. EST time slot. Strange things are afoot at the Circle K dude.
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Petr posted:OK but Trump is winning now.
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Luigi Thirty posted:https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/773014485346848768 This has always been her position and even the State of Oregon agrees that it's a good plan.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:It's also the correct position to have, not that people like you care. lol
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It is. There's lots of economic evidence that a $15/hr min/wage nationally isn't a good idea. But I guess this makes me some traitor to progressive-liberalism and basically a republican or something. Or I am just saying that to defend Hillary or something (despite having that position since "fight for $15" arbitrarily decided for the left that it was the number we were going 'fight for,' absent of any economic data to support it, but you know, details.) BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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Sep 6, 2016 15:21
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:It would help if you actually had a critique that was accurate, it would help a lot. Look man, we just FEEL like Hillary has to be bad. Honestly, I'm at the point where if they can't get anything solid to nail her down with after 25 years she's either genuinely more trustworthy than most people think or she's such an incredible criminal mastermind that gently caress it, bring on Supervillain Hilldawg for pres, we can't stop her anyway.
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Sep 6, 2016 15:22
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:It would help if you actually had a critique that was accurate, it would help a lot. Well, the fact that she apparently lied about supporting a $15 wage, for one? I'd be one thing if the centrist wing acknowledged the legitimacy of having different opinions than the leadership. But they don't, and literally melt down when called out on poo poo like this
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:It is. There's lots of economic evidence that a $15/hr min/wage nationally isn't a good idea. I'd like to see some of that?
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:It is. There's lots of economic evidence that a $15/hr min/wage nationally isn't a good idea. No, it makes you a tantrum-throwing baby that can't deal with people disagreeing with him and calling him out on open lies And BTW, you didn't answer the question about whether you can criticize Hillary without being a sexist
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icantfindaname posted:Well, the fact that she apparently lied about supporting a $15 wage, for one? She didn't.
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icantfindaname posted:Well, the fact that she apparently lied about supporting a $15 wage, for one? She didn't.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:It is. There's lots of economic evidence that a $15/hr min/wage nationally isn't a good idea. Why is the extra $3 the breaking point? If a place can't handle a $15/hr minimum, why can they handle a $12/hr one? And if they can handle a $12/hr minimum wage, why don't we keep trying to increase it over time until we see negative affects?
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Alkydere posted:Though it also looks like Ailes ain't too happy about the whole thing because Fox did most of the negotiating and told him/his team to sit down and shut up. The end of the Vanity Fair article mentions Ailes might be starting to raise a stink, which might ruin the Murdoch Sons' plans to keep this quick, quiet and clean. He does seem like the kind of bull-headed idiot that would go ahead and sue NYM even after the news of the settlement breaking. Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:She didn't. She purposefully walked a razor's edge rhetorically to avoid taking a strong position either way. But the basic problem remains, that Hillary people literally cannot deal with anything other than complete loyalty and party line-toeing, and throw a screaming baby tantrum at anything else
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socialsecurity posted:I'd like to see some of that? Here's just some quick data on where economists generally are on $15/hr nationally: https://www.epionline.org/studies/survey-of-us-economists-on-a-15-federal-minimum-wage/ icantfindaname posted:She purposefully walked a razor's edge rhetorically to avoid taking a strong position either way. But the basic problem remains, that Hillary people literally cannot deal with anything other than complete loyalty and party line-toeing, and throw a screaming baby tantrum at anything else Except for the criticism I get annoyed with is all completely stupid bullshit? I am perfectly willing to hear valid criticism, and if fact have offered some of my own. But again, you never seem to admit that happens because as I posted earlier, you're only interested in being holier-than-thou. BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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A quick Google revealed to me that Clinton has been supporting $12/hr since at least February 12, and it was a point of contention during the primary against Sanders, who of course supports $15/hr.quote:As president, I will work to raise the federal minimum wage back to the highest level it’s ever been — $12 an hour in today’s dollars — and support state and local efforts to go even further. Across the country, thousands of low-income workers, with the support of SEIU and others, have come together to fight for $15 an hour and the right to form a union. I strongly support those efforts.
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WampaLord posted:Why is the extra $3 the breaking point? If a place can't handle a $15/hr minimum, why can they handle a $12/hr one? The basic idea is that cost of living in different areas necessitates a different minimum wage. This is not really a controversial statement, and in fact is one that's been espoused in D&D quite frequently (e.g., "cities cost more to live in so minimum wage should be higher too"). Also keep in mind a $3 difference at that level is 25% COL adjustment. That's pretty significant, much more than your normal COLA.
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