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fridge corn posted:Right and nobody gives a poo poo in this generic fantasy either. Its an embarrasingly weak attempt to disguise pandering for depth to the point where it's backfired and comes off as creepy and weird Only one thing's coming across as creepy and weird over here.
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Sep 6, 2016 16:13
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Geralt doesn't sleep around as much in the books as you might get the impression from Witcher 1. The brooding isn't an act, he really is morose and indecisive. Women have to throw themselves at him to get him to respond. The character in Witcher 3 is like grown-up Geralt. He has a clear goal and relatively stable relationships. Without those things the bitchy, awkward loner side really comes out. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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Sep 6, 2016 17:26
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Terminally Bored posted:It bears repeating that Witcher 2 and 3 (especially 3) have better writing than the books they're based on. Sapkowski's prose aged pretty terribly. I don't think his prose is that bad at all. In fact, I find a lot of it really well done. The guy has a talent for wordplay and can write Tarantino level conversations. I also really like his experimental chapters where he shakes up his writing style, like the sections in blood of elves where ciri's interactions with other characters are told entirely through dialogue.
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Sep 6, 2016 17:47
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Arglebargle III posted:Geralt doesn't sleep around as much in the books as you might get the impression from Witcher 1. The brooding isn't an act, he really is morose and indecisive. Women have to throw themselves at him to get him to respond. This guy gets it. On top of this Yennefer is one of the most believable females I've ever seen written especially from a male author. Anyone whose been in any long term relationship or marriage can see the depth of both of these characters. And W3 totally does them and their relationship justice.
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Sep 6, 2016 17:47
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chaosapiant posted:This guy gets it. On top of this Yennefer is one of the most believable females I've ever seen written especially from a male author. Anyone whose been in any long term relationship or marriage can see the depth of both of these characters. And W3 totally does them and their relationship justice. Triss in WItcher 2 was great but then she had to go mostly all glad-handy in this one, and I also didn't realize I had on the secondary dlc outfit of hers, which was just the icing on the poo poo cake.  WHat a stupid loving dress for Triss. Nice secondary one for Yen, though. 
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Sep 6, 2016 17:50
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Yennifer has a lot of issues. She finds it genuinely difficult to connect with people. She hides behind the ice queen thing for self-defense and people who are into that tend to lose interest when she opens up. You get the impression that she's had many brief flings and maybe two serious relationships. I'm not sure she's happy about the brief flings either; like most lonely people she's torn between a need for contact and the need to maintain her emotional safety. Neither one of them is really cut out for a storybook romance.
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Sep 6, 2016 18:01
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Arcsquad12 posted:I don't think his prose is that bad at all. In fact, I find a lot of it really well done. The guy has a talent for wordplay and can write Tarantino level conversations. I also really like his experimental chapters where he shakes up his writing style, like the sections in blood of elves where ciri's interactions with other characters are told entirely through dialogue. Sapkowski's main strength was world-building. He's really well versed in the fantasy genre (wrote a great compendium of the genre, don't think it was ever translated to any other languages) and used and subverted tropes really well. But when it comes to plot and dialogue he's pretty weak. Tarantino's a good comparison actually as that guy really needs an editor to cut down on monologues. Both Sapkowski and Tarantino seem so cool when you're 15, but it's hard not to groan when you're older. Still remember the backlash against The Lady of The Lake. Holy poo poo was that a terrible saga ending. So happy the games retconned that crap.
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Sep 6, 2016 18:04
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Terminally Bored posted:It bears repeating that Witcher 2 and 3 (especially 3) have better writing than the books they're based on. Sapkowski's prose aged pretty terribly. You read them in Polish, right?
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Sep 6, 2016 18:13
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Yep. In high school. I listened to the audiobooks last year with my wife and we were both surprised how badly they aged. And back in the day we were such big fans, too. Terminally Bored fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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Sep 6, 2016 18:13
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Are you playing on the highest difficulty? The starting zone should get you to around level 4, level 3 if you only did the main quests. Do you still have main quest stuff to do? That's where the lions share of the XP is throughout the game. Yeah, I was doing side stuff and left the main story for later. Did the fight with the noonwraith and even found the viper school equipment. Wraiths seem pretty easy to fight once you know their pattern. The game says you need to use the Yrden sign on them, but I could not tell a difference between hitting them with wraith-oiled silver sword in or out of the circle, so I just starting Quen'ing for any time one got the drop on me after a teleport and starting dodging all the time.
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Sep 6, 2016 18:18
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Lotish posted:Yeah, I was doing side stuff and left the main story for later. Did the fight with the noonwraith and even found the viper school equipment. Wraiths seem pretty easy to fight once you know their pattern. The game says you need to use the Yrden sign on them, but I could not tell a difference between hitting them with wraith-oiled silver sword in or out of the circle, so I just starting Quen'ing for any time one got the drop on me after a teleport and starting dodging all the time. death march reduces how much XP you get, so yeah that's what is happening, just finish the quests there and move on and you'll gain in levels fast most likely since you already front loaded it with all of the side quests. the ? are not a good source of XP, the starting zone makes them seem more valuable then they are in the later game as there are only like 10-15 more of those places of power in the whole game. once you move on to the main area, just do them when you feel like it as they are mostly a monster fight, a hidden chest, or some little sidequest that is fun, doing them all to clear every area will just burn you out. yrden makes boss ghosts like the noonwraith vulnerable to damage. for the bog standard ones i think it just makes them take some more damage and slows them a bit, i rarely bother with it against them either. it has some other uses as well.
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Sep 6, 2016 18:25
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Yeah the characters have a bad habit of monologueing.
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Sep 6, 2016 18:25
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Yrden does the same thing to all spectres - renders them corporeal, slows them down and makes Geralt deliver double damage or something. Same thing with moon dust.
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Sep 6, 2016 18:29
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Terminally Bored posted:Sapkowski's main strength was world-building. He's really well versed in the fantasy genre (wrote a great compendium of the genre, don't think it was ever translated to any other languages) and used and subverted tropes really well. But when it comes to plot and dialogue he's pretty weak. Tarantino's a good comparison actually as that guy really needs an editor to cut down on monologues. Both Sapkowski and Tarantino seem so cool when you're 15, but it's hard not to groan when you're older. Do you mean the very ending? I read all the books a month or so ago and felt they were quite good overall, though I do prefer the short stories.
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Sep 6, 2016 18:52
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In the books Yen and Geralt really died?
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Sep 6, 2016 18:57
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DoctorGonzo posted:In the books Yen and Geralt really died?
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Sep 6, 2016 19:05
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DoctorGonzo posted:In the books Yen and Geralt really died? Geralt dies trying to stop racists from massacring dwarves iirc. Random farmer kills him with a pitchfork. The games reference this often, everyone hated that. The character established as really smart with picking his fights dies like an idiot. Halser posted:Do you mean the very ending? I read all the books a month or so ago and felt they were quite good overall, though I do prefer the short stories. Sapkowski got a contract for five novels and he was sick of witcher by book three, so the saga takes a nosedive onwards. The last bit with Ciri and the Arthurian legends was just lazy because everybody knew Sapkowski's got a huge hard-on for anglo-saxon mythology. The guy even wrote a short (and pretty good, I must admit) retelling of the Tristan and Isolde story. People hated the last books in the saga so much that they wrote short stories in which the characters threaten Sapkowski and force him to write badly. I remember reading one such story in the biggest RPG magazine in Poland called Magia i Miecz (Magic & Sword). The author prefaced it saying it's an explanation of how her favorite author could write such a turd. It was surreal. Oh, and there were jokes like Czas Pogardy (Time of Contempt) becoming Czas Podagry (Time of Gout). Terminally Bored fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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Sep 6, 2016 19:09
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Terminally Bored posted:Geralt dies trying to stop racists from massacring dwarves iirc. Random farmer kills him with a pitchfork. The games reference this often, everyone hated that. The character established as really smart with picking his fights dies like an idiot. I guess it didn't annoy me that much because I knew it wasn't really the end, though the Ciri ending was really bizarre.
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Sep 6, 2016 19:19
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Halser posted:I guess it didn't annoy me that much because I knew it wasn't really the end, though the Ciri ending was really bizarre. Yeah, as I said the games are really, really goddamn good at continuing (and finishing) the story. I was sure CDP would stumble trying to write stories for Yennefer and Ciri but they delivered on both fronts. It's probably the only time when fanfiction is better than the source material.
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Sep 6, 2016 19:23
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I liked the saga's ending. It was just a version of "master gets killed by a beginner" present in many Far Eastern stories. I didn't really get bothered by a death like that as it was fitting for the saga's universe and the idea that Ciri is the actuallly important character and Geralt meeting a grim end after so much luck he had before. I was never bothered by protagonist's dying in any other series though so that might be a factor.
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Sep 6, 2016 19:26
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If my memory serves, Sapkowski killed Geralt off so he wouldn't have to write anymore Witcher books or stories. And he wanted to focus on the Narrenturm series (three books) which, uh, weren't that good if I'm being delicate.
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Sep 6, 2016 19:32
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Sep 6, 2016 19:37
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YUR'LL CHOKE T'DEATH ON THREE TONS OF BOAT
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Sep 6, 2016 19:40
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Terminally Bored posted:If my memory serves, Sapkowski killed Geralt off so he wouldn't have to write anymore Witcher books or stories. And he wanted to focus on the Narrenturm series (three books) which, uh, weren't that good if I'm being delicate.
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Sep 6, 2016 19:42
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Trolls are the best 
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Sep 6, 2016 19:42
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Im glad my original assessment of the witcher books being bad has been vindicated
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Sep 6, 2016 19:47
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Are trolls as funny in the books? also how do you get that armor Geralt is wearing in the start screen? I don't remember if that's the starting armor or what but I kinda want to have that look again
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Sep 6, 2016 19:47
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Thanks for the awnsers. I hope someday we will meet really old man Geralt the bagpipes man.
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Sep 6, 2016 19:52
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Xander77 posted:Is that the Hussite saga? Man that was garbage. And the source material is so good! Yes. And after the turd called Viper and numerous times Sapkowski dissed the games it was especially funny seeing him publish Season of Storms. Guy's a douche. Weird thing is that nearly all Polish fantasy writers in recent years (decades even) are rightwing assholes: Piekara, Kres, Ziemkiewicz. So if you think Sapkowski's prose is kinda sexist and stupidly nihilistic then you shouldn't even touch any of the these authors. Also, out of all Polish fantasy authors Sapkowski is most often regarded (and regards himself I think) as high literature. He came close at times but his literary workshop's not that great if you look closely. Sorry for  I teach Polish literature and the topic of Sapkowski came back recently because of the games.
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Sep 6, 2016 19:56
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Terminally Bored posted:Yes. And after the turd called Viper and numerous times Sapkowski dissed the games it was especially funny seeing him publish Season of Storms. Guy's a douche. Pretty informative post, thank you. So, no more Witcher books then?
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Sep 6, 2016 19:58
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El Hefe posted:Are trolls as funny in the books?
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Sep 6, 2016 20:00
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Terminally Bored posted:Yes. And after the turd called Viper and numerous times Sapkowski dissed the games it was especially funny seeing him publish Season of Storms. Guy's a douche. When did he diss the games? On all the interviews I've seen he just refused to give an opinion on them since he never played the games and will never do it, probably because the only hobby he needs is vodka.
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Sep 6, 2016 20:00
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Which start screen? The current B&W one? I don't have the expansions so the regular one  is that upgradable witcher armor?
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Sep 6, 2016 20:02
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El Hefe posted:I don't have the expansions so the regular one it reappears in the expansions as the Viper armor set.
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Sep 6, 2016 20:04
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Halser posted:When did he diss the games?
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Sep 6, 2016 20:05
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El Hefe posted:is that upgradable witcher armor? it's the armor you start with 
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Sep 6, 2016 20:05
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Halser posted:When did he diss the games? Literally two weeks ago (Polish site): http://www.spidersweb.pl/2016/08/sapkowski-obraza-graczy-wiedzmin-cdp.html In short: he said that gamemakers feed on his literature, and that the games did not influence the sales of his books (nevermind the fact that only one book was translated to English and no one really wanted to do the other ones before the games came out). And hilariously he dissed Adrian Chmielarz for not paying him for the Witcher game. Chmielarz was working on one but it got scrapped. Either the guy doesn't even know Chmielarz doesn't work for CDP or he's just being an rear end in a top hat again. And yes, he still says he didn't play the games but "he knows a few people who did". Guy's circuits are fried.
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Sep 6, 2016 20:10
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eh, i fully intend to be just as cranky as an old man
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Sep 6, 2016 20:12
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Ok, yeah I haven't seen that interview yet.
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Sep 6, 2016 20:12
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