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Terminally Bored posted:the games did not influence the sales of his books Oh yeah, I saw that one. A bit delusional.
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Terminally Bored posted:In short: he said that gamemakers feed on his literature, and that the games did not influence the sales of his books lol there's absolutely no way that is true. a huge chunk of the world would have never heard of these books without the games, especially Witcher 3.
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Sep 6, 2016 20:22
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Terminally Bored posted:So if you think Sapkowski's prose is kinda sexist and stupidly nihilistic http://www.dragon-quill.net/tag/the-witcher/
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Sep 6, 2016 20:26
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Earwicker posted:lol there's absolutely no way that is true. a huge chunk of the world would have never heard of these books without the games, especially Witcher 3. His bank account doesn't get checked often. Where does all this money come from all of a sudden?
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He's pretty good in the robocopy sense. What I should've said is stay away from lesser Polish fantasy literature especially by the aforementioned authors. poo poo's indefensible. Polish literature has been terrible since 1980s in general but fantasy still moves copies and Sapkowski's success resulted in shoveliterature getting published by companies like Fabryka Słów (Word Factory). And they specialise in fantasy sagas of course. Terminally Bored fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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Sep 6, 2016 20:31
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That does remind me that we could have lived in a world where People Can Fly made Witcher 1. (I'm completely and totally fine with CD Projekt, but its an interesting thought.)
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Sep 6, 2016 20:32
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JaucheCharly posted:His bank account doesn't get checked often. Where does all this money come from all of a sudden? to be fair, the money might not go to him. it's entirely possible for a Polish publisher to pay their Polish author his advance and bit of royalties and then, years later, to sell the subrights in another country where it later blows up, and many author contracts result in the original author not really making much (or even anything) from the new translations. No idea whether this happened with the Witcher books or not, but it's a fairly common scenario.
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lmao at the author guy Just for reference: there is interest in doing Brazilian Portuguese translations of his work straight from Polish and that is because the games have been HUGE here. The odds of that happening without the games would be very close to zero, lol Or in other words he could be less of an rear end in a top hat to CDPR's work.
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Accordion Man posted:That does remind me that we could have lived in a world where People Can Fly made Witcher 1. (I'm completely and totally fine with CD Projekt, but its an interesting thought.) What games did People can fly make? Did they do Bulletstorm? Bulletstorm was great, fantastic, even, but no way would I want them to try to tackle what CDProjekt was able to do with Witcher 2 and 3.
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If the guy is as bitter as he seems to be then its 100% because he didn't get any/enough money from the games, its always about the money.
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Terminally Bored posted:
Do you also get a lot of reconquista alt-history literature in which Rech Pospolitaya takes over
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Drifter posted:What games did People can fly make? Did they do Bulletstorm? Yep. And then after splitting from Epic Chmielarz founded The Astronauts and made The Vanishing of Ethan Carter.
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Xander77 posted:Huh. Interesting to see it's not just Post-Soviet space suffering from that poo poo. Haha. Yes we do. And again, Sapkowski wrote a short story dealing with alt history Europe. It was called W leju po bombie (In the bomb crater), pretty funny but it was intended as comedy. Bummer hearing about Russian lit being in a rut, too. Russian literature owns bones.
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As I much as I like the Witcher saga I must agree I can't stand other Polish fantasy authors. In the fantasy genre as a whole Sapkowski's books stand out so if you enjoy fantasy it's a good read. It's a different story if you don't really like the genre at all though, it definitely won't change your mind.
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Drifter posted:What games did People can fly make? Did they do Bulletstorm? Bulletstorm was great, fantastic, even, but no way would I want them to try to tackle what CDProjekt was able to do with Witcher 2 and 3.
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They could probably make a kick rear end take on the FPS Witcher in the vein of Heretic.
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They also made The Vanishing of Ethan Carter. The people from that team, anyway.
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Terminally Bored posted:Bummer hearing about Russian lit being in a rut, too. Russian literature owns bones. People who were used to being constrained by censorship let loose, and the sight was anything but pretty.... In the literary world, the floodgates were opened and the market was drown in tons of sewage quality detective stories / pseudo-noir / fantasy and sci-fi. "Codename MAD" (17 sequels) "Codename REALLY FUKKEN ANGRY" (10 sequels) "Codename MAD versus Codename RFA" (two sequels and a videogame) etc. (At least the various Codenames were concerned with exterminating organized crime in the best 80's b-movie fashion, rather than exploiting the glamor of gangster life... too much.) Akunin etc have shown that you can still write decent detective stories in modern day Russia, and organized crime isn't quite as enticing a theme as it used to be, but the flood of poo poo sci-fi and fantasy continues unabated:  And will carry on for the foreseeable future. (Accidental time traveler stories form a peculiar sub-genre of Russian sci-fi. For some reason the notion of changing Russian history and averting the terrible disaster that is the collapse of the Russian Empire / USSR / Mongolian Conquest by an ordinary time-traveling martial arts student / special forces agent / Codename WOTYOULOOKINGATMATEILLCUTYOUSWEARONMEMUM seems inexplicably popular).  
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Transmetropolitan posted:lmao at the author guy The games are probably popular because CDProjekt knows the plight of poor gamers and throws discounts around pretty often. Same reason why so many people here(that I know, at least) like Deus Ex. I have to wonder just how much the piracy rate in the country has decreased ever since steam started getting more popular here. Some 5 years ago, saying you'd buy a game got plenty of laughs from people.
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This reminds me - one legit concern by Sapkowski is that all of his books are now published with covers depicting game characters, not the original artwork. The original editions of the Witcher books looked way better, I must admit.
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Spanish edition had the best covers.
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the spanish covers are used for the UK releases too. they are pretty cool. loving the history lesson on eastern european trash novels though. some of those covers lmao. Vikar Jerome fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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Now that we're on topic of apparently lovely Polish fantasy, is it much better than average Salvatore book in any aspect?
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Halser posted:The games are probably popular because CDProjekt knows the plight of poor gamers and throws discounts around pretty often. Same reason why so many people here(that I know, at least) like Deus Ex. When I was a teenager I couldn't even find original games for my Playstation (1 & 2) PC games were hard to find but there were some. Steam saved PC gaming around here and now GOG is doing prices in reais  (Buying hardware is still expensive as gently caress  )(I don't play on consoles anymore but I do see plenty of stores selling games now) Miss Mowcher fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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GuyUpNorth posted:Now that we're on topic of apparently lovely Polish fantasy, is it much better than average Salvatore book in any aspect? The Witcher books are way better than Salvatore's work. And for the longest time I loved Salvatore, to a point.
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GuyUpNorth posted:Now that we're on topic of apparently lovely Polish fantasy, is it much better than average Salvatore book in any aspect? I find that Sapkowski is technically decent and is good at characters and scene-level storytelling, but I wasn't that into the broad story even back when I first read the books. He's what writers call a pantser, making poo poo up as things go along as opposed to working from an outline, and I'm not a huge fan of the Ciri books. I do still really like the first two short story collections.
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The saga books are at their best when they read like a short story collection and jump over months or years to pick up a new part of the story. I disagree with the guy who said Sapkowski is best at world-building. He only occasionally explains anything about the world by having his characters do a text dump dialog paragraph. What he's good at is atmosphere. From reading the books I couldn't really tell you where Temeria is, but I have a good idea of the feel of places like Brokilon and Kaer Morhen. A lot of it capitalizes on pop culture the audience is already familiar with, as people have said. They're very "pop" books. I don't really need to be told what a ruined castle or a narrow bridge over a ravine or a dragon look like. A brief description is sufficient, because they're already pop culture icons. Trading in icons lets him spend his energy describing the way the sunlight twinkles on the silver studs in Geralt's gauntlets or the shade of Ciri's eyes, or Triss watching Geralt's body language like a hawk, or just spend more time on dialog. It's an old trick and it works well here since it is such an openly referential and pop story. It makes the books shorter too. He's also good at tugging the heart-strings suddenly, like having Geralt just sit down and read letters from Ciri while she's away at school for a few pages between battles and mysteries. I think those are all strengths of the game too and W3 is a great adaptation to game form. I had no idea Triss had been horribly burned at Sodden and went through the magical version of multiple reconstructive surgeries. Is that referenced in the games anywhere?
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Arglebargle III posted:The saga books are at their best when they read like a short story collection and jump over months or years to pick up a new part of the story. I think only in the Character screen.
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In the first game Triss makes a comment on how she'll never wear a "plunging neckline" again. This is in reference to her burns, that even though were healed still left an emotional scar. Of course the impact is a bit lost when she literally says this while wearing the most plunging of necklines in that weird fishnet and boots metal groupie outfit.
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Just started playing this weekend. Never played the previous witcher's. Playing in Death March, just starting in Velen. I am not having much trouble with combat, even with having screwed up my skills a little bit. The dodges are pretty good and you can hit and run. At level 4 I can take groups of level 9. I have the Viper swords, 3 of the general skills that looked interesting before I understood the mutagen slotting thing. Now some poison sword and light attack skills. Crap armor. I am struggling with money. I have sold battlefield loot, but not any crafting or alchemy stuff. I have diagrams for lvl 30 Armor.... Yay. Guess the armor and money will come? Thinking of a mixed sword/alchemy thing. I don't quite understand how to best take advantage of adrenaline. Is it passive or do I have to do something?
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Without skills that change or consume it, adrenaline is just +10% damage per point. There are skills that will use it to save your life when you would have died, let you do a special alternate light or strong attack, etc I would suggest picking 1 color of skills and sticking to it for the most part, but I haven't tried doing two at once so maybe it actually works out, I dunno. Just keep playing and you'll get money and better gear. There are unique witcher armor sets made from crafting diagrams that you'll get access to at much higher levels, so eventually you won't be stuck with whatever the game happens to throw at you.
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Nobody in Velen has any money. As you leave that picturesque shithole behind you will make money much more easily. Builds do not matter in this game. You could never equip a mutagen and unequip most of your skills and finish the game. Sword, sign, alchemy, and mixed builds are all viable. The best armor is not to get hit. Especially on Death March, where the fights are longer but technical execution is no different from lower levels. Adrenaline is generated by hitting things with your sword. Don't forget to use  If you feel behind in loot, go scrounge around for treasure hunt quests or random smuggler's caches. They'll often contain some armor pieces and swords around your level. Battlefields and ruined villages in Velen often have treasure hunt quests attached, just look around with your special eyes.
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Thanks. I mostly run around looking at things in witcher mode. And so far I am doing all the secondaries and ? before the main, though I realize that makes me level much more slowly. = Decoctions? I have not used any of those yet and don't really understand toxicity yet. I have a few potions learned and need more oil recipes.
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Sogol posted:Thanks. You'll get more decoctions as you level up. The key to this game is to not give a gently caress about levels, XP, talent builds, items and so on. Levels exist to gate content, nothing else. Do quests because they're interesting and not for any "tangible" reward. If you want to level up, do main quest stuff. There is vastly more XP available than you need to level up. It's a weird situation where there's almost too much cool side quest content, there's very little filler. That said, once you get to Skellige don't hunt down ? marks. They're a bunch of sites in the middle of nowhere ocean which don't reward you with anything unique, it's one of the very few grindy parts of the game. Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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It's the RP-est RPG and also is 100+ hours of solid content for the base game. CDPR is a bunch of nerds, what sort of wonderful Polish wizards created this??? Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Sogol posted:Thanks. I would suggest to just do the ? that are on your way, you'll normally pass by almost every one during your main journey. I played for around 60 hours many months back and had to stop, now I'm starting from the beginning and a good way I found not to burn out with the dozens of stuff to do: * Follow the main quest -> Stop by the villages that are on your way, do side quests there -> Continue on your quest *Grab ? along the way No need to clear out all of Velen before doing the main one there  There are only a few quests that have points of no return and fails other quests, you can probably google the names without getting spoilers (besides their names)
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its super obvious and the game explicitly informs you when you're going to fail most quests there are a couple instances of having multiple options for resolving a quest chain where one option causes another to fail, see Gangs of Novigrad, but that's not that you hosed up it's more that you chose an option it's really hard to fail quests, don't sweat it do what seems fun/interesting
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GuyUpNorth posted:Now that we're on topic of apparently lovely Polish fantasy, is it much better than average Salvatore book in any aspect?
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Palpek posted:The Witcher saga is good in the fantasy genre. The problems start when you start comparing it to actual literature but in the genre it stands out imo. Oh that's for sure. Sapkowski's definitely one of the best Polish fantasy writers if not the best. Though truth be said fantasy and sci-fi is mainly a domain of lovely to mediocre writers so serious critics stay away from the genre. Hell, even the history's best like Lem were shunned because scholars didn't care for sci-fi, even if the guy is up there with Bradbury, Ellison and Bester.
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