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Luigi Thirty posted:https://twitter.com/RosieGray/status/773512738785992704 And this is why I despise Trump and friends most of all. This will take years to squash. Night10194 posted:I think the alt-right going for more visibility is legitimately a terrible idea on their part. We can only hope. What worries me is that they do manage to gain legitimacy like the Tea Party did.
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I think the issue is that the alt-right is almost entirely social issues and being on the wrong side of those. With the Tea Party they were useful tools because they were SO ANGRY about taxes and all that even though it was really just racist. With the alt-right they are forward with their white, male supremacy since there's nothing else there. There's really no way to sugar coat that poo poo. Personally it feels like they have gotten over confident since they basically just gang up on people using the internet until they get scared and back off. Trying that in the open isn't going to work as well since once they are no longer as anonymous threatening to rape or lynch people isn't going to be as easy to hide. I do think that there will be an effort by certain media outlets to pretend that of course they aren't racist because there always needs to be a Sensible right wing which is what helped out the Tea Party lunatics but that's going to be a harder sell.
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WampaLord posted:Would "not loving around in the Middle East" be considered "giving up our military dominance?" I think the core issue is how do we define 'not loving around' because, ya know, that's a great pithy blurb but it doesn't actually mean anything. Do we consider it 'loving around' when, say, Libyan rebels fighting against a dictator vowing to go block by block murdering them explicitly ask us for help? What about supporting NGOs and such trying to reform a country's regressive bullshit? There's a lot of 'loving around' that happens that's a lot more nuanced than 'invade Iraq y/n' and a lot of it requires 'military' assets in some way.
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:Just the fact that she is being openly bankrolled by goldman sachs and the rest of wal street is pretty drat revealing. Even if bankers are the most vile and corrupt people on earth they still want a semblance of stability. Trump isn't good for business. Clintons seem like they are.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I think the core issue is how do we define 'not loving around' because, ya know, that's a great pithy blurb but it doesn't actually mean anything. Do we consider it 'loving around' when, say, Libyan rebels fighting against a dictator vowing to go block by block murdering them explicitly ask us for help? What about supporting NGOs and such trying to reform a country's regressive bullshit? There's a lot of 'loving around' that happens that's a lot more nuanced than 'invade Iraq y/n' and a lot of it requires 'military' assets in some way. I'll be honest, I know basically nothing when it comes to foreign policy, but it's clear that the threshold we use for "We need to intervene with our military" isn't applied uniformly to various situations. Why is helping Libyan rebels okay while we let genocides go on in other countries? Are we the world police or aren't we? While we're asking for things to be defined, can someone define "giving up our military dominance?" Because as I see it, we could literally cut military funding by 50% and still be the most dominant military on the planet by far.
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:Just the fact that she is being openly bankrolled by goldman sachs and the rest of wal street is pretty drat revealing. It's pretty revealing of how overwhelmingly terrible Trump is, maybe.
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On Terra Firma posted:Even if bankers are the most vile and corrupt people on earth they still want a semblance of stability. Trump isn't good for business. Clintons seem like they are. and thats exactly why trump is more progressive than hillary. he actually wants to dismantle this whole tax exempt cartel of high financiers raping everybody. hes pretty much humanitys last hope
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Sep 7, 2016 16:14
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Mr Hootington posted:Question: Having a discussion about BLM and Kaep with my fellow white coworkers. What is the best thing to say in response to black on black crime rates? I am late to the party here, but white on Indian crime rates might do the trick. You need something to shake them out of a narrative they've absorbed so that they don't have to think about structural issues. https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/otj/docs/american_indians_and_crime.pdf  Your audience will be wholly unprepared for those sexual assault statistics. Familiarize yourself with patterns of victimization on reservations, and you should be able to transition to broader concerns with minorities and law enforcement.
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Sep 7, 2016 16:15
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:and thats exactly why trump is more progressive than hillary. he actually wants to dismantle this whole tax exempt cartel of high financiers raping everybody. hes pretty much humanitys last hope Trump has never given a single indication of this, unless you mean he'll dismantle the government because of incredible stupidity.
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Luigi Thirty posted:https://twitter.com/RosieGray/status/773512738785992704 I am phone posting so I can't just make a quick Photoshop putting eyeholes on those hoods in the logo.
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WampaLord posted:I'll be honest, I know basically nothing when it comes to foreign policy, but it's clear that the threshold we use for "We need to intervene with our military" isn't applied uniformly to various situations. Why is helping Libyan rebels okay while we let genocides go on in other countries? Are we the world police or aren't we? Which genocides are you specifically thinking of?
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Yinlock posted:Trump has never given a single indication of this, unless you mean he'll dismantle the government because of incredible stupidity. He might also take the banks down along with most of the economy....
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:and thats exactly why trump is more progressive than hillary. he actually wants to dismantle this whole tax exempt cartel of high financiers raping everybody. hes pretty much humanitys last hope Trump wants what will get the most money in Trump's pocket.
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Radish posted:I think the issue is that the alt-right is almost entirely social issues and being on the wrong side of those. With the Tea Party they were useful tools because they were SO ANGRY about taxes and all that even though it was really just racist. With the alt-right they are forward with their white, male supremacy since there's nothing else there. There's really no way to sugar coat that poo poo. Personally it feels like they have gotten over confident since they basically just gang up on people using the internet until they get scared and back off. Trying that in the open isn't going to work as well since once they are no longer as anonymous threatening to rape or lynch people isn't going to be as easy to hide. I guess you're right. They'll be utterly insufferable and get undeserved attention/legitimacy as long as Republicans think they can use them, but as Trump is showing, that doesn't fly as well these days since minorities actually have enough say to do something about it. Alt Righters don't have any philosophy beyond being basically neckbeard neo-Nazis so they'll have less staying power even if the worst case does come and they do get backing, but the damage will still be done if the media continues to bend over backwards to avoid looking biased enough to allow them to lower racial discourse in America even more.
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Sep 7, 2016 16:23
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:and thats exactly why trump is more progressive than hillary. he actually wants to dismantle this whole tax exempt cartel of high financiers raping everybody. He literally wants to dismantle all the minor post-crash banking reforms and calls for a moratorium on future banking regulations. How are you this stupid, for real? quote:Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump on Monday plans to call for a temporary moratorium on new financial regulations, Bloomberg News reported.
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Sep 7, 2016 16:24
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Trump has literally never deviated from the argument that he'll do whatever makes the most money.
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computer parts posted:Which genocides are you specifically thinking of? Okay, after some light Googling, it appears I was exaggerating somewhat. Maybe I should just duck out of this, because I really don't want to get involved in a foreign policy debate. I still argue that there's basically no way America could lose military dominance of the world short of literally disbanding the military.
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:and thats exactly why trump is more progressive than hillary. he actually wants to dismantle this whole tax exempt cartel of high financiers raping everybody. hes pretty much humanitys last hope *by lowering their taxes a whole lot
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Kit Walker posted:. This was the reasoning for why WWI was impossible, so I'm a skeptic.
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eviltastic posted:I am late to the party here, but white on Indian crime rates might do the trick. You need something to shake them out of a narrative they've absorbed so that they don't have to think about structural issues. Be prepared to see them react with denial and anger about these being somehow illegitimate. They'll likely fire back with anecdotal evidence or super conservative "news" story they're certain will utterly disprove these or show that BLM is super racist. Don't let them, otherwise they will gladly cover their ears and pretend the whole thing never happened. Be sure to call them out on any claims of All Lives Matter as well. All and all, don't expect to change any minds immediately, but do hope that the truth might start to put in some doubt if they aren't too far gone.
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sarmhan posted:Trump and the GOP have far deeper financial ties to Goldman Sachs et al. Repeating that I hope Trump gets financially ratfucked after Nov.
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Eifert Posting posted:This was the reasoning for why WWI was impossible, so I'm a skeptic. I mean if it turns out there's no way to make do without an utterly dominating military then we'll be set up for that, but it couldn't hurt to keep it a plan B.
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WampaLord posted:I'll be honest, I know basically nothing when it comes to foreign policy, but it's clear that the threshold we use for "We need to intervene with our military" isn't applied uniformly to various situations. Why is helping Libyan rebels okay while we let genocides go on in other countries? Are we the world police or aren't we? It's entirely based on what we can get away with. We intervene in countries where it won't upset our allies if we intervene (mostly).
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Geostomp posted:Be prepared to see them react with denial and anger about these being somehow illegitimate. They'll likely fire back with anecdotal evidence or super conservative "news" story they're certain will utterly disprove these or show that BLM is super racist. Don't let them, otherwise they will gladly cover their ears and pretend the whole thing never happened. Be sure to call them out on any claims of All Lives Matter as well. when someone make the All Lives Matter argument I yell No lives Matter! and punch them in the dick.
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Is it time to start arzying over the closing percentage gap yet?
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Night10194 posted:So why is the right so goddamn bullish on Tsar Vladimir? Is it just that he's a right-wing authoritarian strongman who oversees the criminalization of homosexuality and brutal military adventures abroad?
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Sep 7, 2016 16:37
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:and thats exactly why trump is more progressive than hillary. he actually wants to dismantle this whole tax exempt cartel of high financiers raping everybody. hes pretty much humanitys last hope There are so many things wrong with this holy poo poo.
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BlueBlazer posted:when someone make the All Lives Matter argument I yell No lives Matter! and punch them in the dick. Thank you for posting on our forums. Judge Dredd.
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Grouchio posted:Is it time to start arzying over the closing percentage gap yet? Yes. It is showing trump is picking up minority support in swing states.
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:and thats exactly why trump is more progressive than hillary. he actually wants to dismantle this whole tax exempt cartel of high financiers raping everybody. hes pretty much humanitys last hope What makes you think this, other than that Trump's alt-right supporters hate the globalist, Ivy League-educated, cosmopolitan Jews who they think work on Wall Street?
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Grouchio posted:Is it time to start arzying over the closing percentage gap yet? Check this out: https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/773528852698193920 Takeaways from this: - FL is up for grabs - Both the left and right are making GBS threads on PPP for this poll (Trumpers poll unskewing and Hillbots accusing them of cashing Trump checks) - According to PPP, Clinton's gains in minority voters are offset by Trump's white voters That last point is crucial, just how much in each state will the white vote offset the minority vote? e: don't forget, we still have almost two whole months for those numbers across the state to tighten; also Clinton is going to get hosed over by Obamacare premium increases on the first of Nov. BetterToRuleInHell fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Grouchio posted:Is it time to start arzying over the closing percentage gap yet? Nope.
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There's a lot of undecideds in that poll and those undecideds favored Obama over Trump 54 - 10 so I think she'll do just fine. Oh also she has campaign offices and a get it the vote effort there.
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theflyingorc posted:It's entirely based on what we can get away with. We intervene in countries where it won't upset our allies if we intervene (mostly). Also if it won't cause a headache for us with non-allies (Syria), also if there is a possibility of improving things and not just sticking our dick in a hornets nest(Syria/Rwanda), if congress is on the side of the president(Syria/Rwanda), or if there has been a recent gently caress up and the public doesn't want to intervene(Syria/Rwanda). Libya is about the worst outcome you want to have after an intervention (and I want to stress that it was the EU that hosed up the aftermath and not really the US) while the Balkans is about the best you can hope for realistically.
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Man Phyllis Schlafly dies on Labor Day and this is all you guys can talk about? This woman was the equivalent of Margaret Thatcher on my hate scale. She pretty much single-handedly led the charge to defeat the ERA when its passage was all but assured in the 70's and was just a horrible, horrible regressive person who couldn't see past the end of her own bigoted sexist nose. Seriously, check out these quotes: Someone who actually said this poo poo in the 21st century posted:“Sex education classes are like in-home sales parties for abortions.” – Schalfly, Feb. 1997.
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https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/773538109300547584 Trump's policies are ... something else. Jesus. (click on tweet to read them all)
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RevKrule posted:Not finding an article to relate it back to because twitter is having a party on the topic but George Zimmerman is claiming to be homeless, deep in debt ($2 million) and suffering from PTSD. I say he's saying this because it's Tuesday but we can hope can't we? Couldn't have happened to a better guy.
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Night10194 posted:I think the alt-right going for more visibility is legitimately a terrible idea on their part. This is what happens when you think you have really good reasons that justify your racism.
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/773538109300547584 The US National Defense Program...brought to you by the Heritage Foundation (TM).
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