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Humpback whales have officially been taken off the endangered species list as of this week. So we at least won't have to deal with that in 270 years.
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Gonz posted:Humpback whales have officially been taken off the endangered species list as of this week. Cue Star Trek fans hunting them in droves to keep things canonical.
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Sep 7, 2016 09:46
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It still amuses me just how pessimistic Trek has been about the (then) near future. We were supposed to have had the Eugenics Wars and wiped out the whales by now. Sanctuary Districts, World War 3, and the Post-atomic horror are just around the corner. It's also surprising that our computing advances weren't slowed down more when the Voyager crew took that time ship away from that one dude.
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Sep 7, 2016 09:59
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For Enterprise, I'd recommend Minefield/Dead Stop and Impulse.
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Sep 7, 2016 10:09
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Duckbag posted:It still amuses me just how pessimistic Trek has been about the (then) near future. We were supposed to have had the Eugenics Wars and wiped out the whales by now. Sanctuary Districts, World War 3, and the Post-atomic horror are just around the corner. It's also surprising that our computing advances weren't slowed down more when the Voyager crew took that time ship away from that one dude. revise, not revive Nessus fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Sep 7, 2016 10:16
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Sanctuary Districts aren't until the 2020s. Between now and then we'll also be calling this "The Net".
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Sep 7, 2016 10:44
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Transparent Aluminum is also a thing, now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxynitride 
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Sep 7, 2016 10:51
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Gonz posted:Transparent Aluminum is also a thing, now. https://youtu.be/UfWMBxuA_Jw
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Sep 7, 2016 12:40
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Duckbag posted:It still amuses me just how pessimistic Trek has been about the (then) near future. We were supposed to have had the Eugenics Wars and wiped out the whales by now. Sanctuary Districts, World War 3, and the Post-atomic horror are just around the corner. It's also surprising that our computing advances weren't slowed down more when the Voyager crew took that time ship away from that one dude. We're about to elect either Trump or Hillary, so there's plenty of chance to get back on track.
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Sep 7, 2016 13:21
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Two decades later, and I still can't decide if Benny Russell's freakout is brilliant pathos or shameless scenery chewing. There's something about it that's almost... Shatnerian. Man, Avery Brooks is the best. It's too bad the next season had to have Sisko's ghost mom says it was all just the Pah Wraiths loving with him. I get that they thought some explanation was in order, but they could have left it more ambiguous. They didn't have to cheapen it that way.
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Sep 7, 2016 13:23
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Duckbag posted:Two decades later, and I still can't decide if Benny Russell's freakout is brilliant pathos or shameless scenery chewing. There's something about it that's almost... Shatnerian. Man, Avery Brooks is the best. I didn't feel like the explanation cheapened it, because while it was the Pah Wraiths the second time Sisko hallucinates, that's a different circumstance--and it suggests that SIsko and Benny ARE linked through time, possibly via a sort of reincarnation that DS9 toyed with. It's really just a take on that story about a man who dreamt he was a butterfly...or was it a butterfly who dreamt he was a man?
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Sep 7, 2016 13:30
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I always interpreted it as saying that both sets of visions were Pah Wraith deceptions. It's not clear if Benny Russell was a real person or not, but either way, Sisko's experiences seem a little less special when you know they were given to him by sinister space demons to make him go mad.
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Sep 7, 2016 13:42
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Yet another example of why the Pah Wraiths were a terrible idea that should have stayed a one-off "Make O'Brien Suffer" idea.
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Sep 7, 2016 13:44
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Nope. The Pah Wraits and the Prophets are all part of the same setting, and all of that is from Benny's imagination. All of DS9, and therefore all of Trek, is from Benny's imagination. "Far Beyond the Stars" is too good not to be the real story. 
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Sep 7, 2016 13:53
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So you're saying that Benny Russell wrote himself into the story in the most convoluted way possible? Maybe he is a real scifi writer.
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My interpretation is that Sisko may be less human than he thinks, and due to possibly millennia of genetic manipulation and immaculate conceptions, the Prophets created their Emissary, a being who exists in non-linear time, but experiences it linearly. Benny Russell is just the incarnation we see, but I'd wager that the Sisko goes even further back, and that in every era the Sisko appears in a new name. Each time he gets closer and closer to being able to accomplish their goals, but since he can't transcend his linear time-line, he's stuck reliving these various lives until at last he is born into a position capable of making contact with the Wormhole. You could actually even take it further--since the Prophets have now been seen to have effect on Earth and its peoples, maybe all of OUR religions were as similarly inspired as Bajor's was. The Ark of the Covenant could have stored an orb. They could have appeared in visions to Joshua Sisko, who'd be later known as Jesus... ...okay, I'll stop there.
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Sep 7, 2016 14:02
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...and that's why I hate the whole ghost mom plot.
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Duckbag posted:...and that's why I hate the whole ghost mom plot. But enough about Bioshock Infinite! 
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Sep 7, 2016 14:12
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I choose to interpret the ghost mom stuff as Sisko only became part prophet at that time, because the aliens existing outside of time can do that if they want.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:My interpretation is that Sisko may be less human than he thinks, and due to possibly millennia of genetic manipulation and immaculate conceptions, the Prophets created their Emissary, a being who exists in non-linear time, but experiences it linearly. Benny Russell is just the incarnation we see, but I'd wager that the Sisko goes even further back, and that in every era the Sisko appears in a new name. Each time he gets closer and closer to being able to accomplish their goals, but since he can't transcend his linear time-line, he's stuck reliving these various lives until at last he is born into a position capable of making contact with the Wormhole. This would explain why Gabriel Bell is the Sisko and it didn't alter the timeline one single bit. Gabriel Bell was always the Sisko.
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Sep 7, 2016 17:31
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Duckbag posted:Oh yeah I love Spock's Brain on a lot of levels, but TOS's reputation for extreme cheesiness scares off a lot of newcomers, so it's best to ween them in gradually. Incidentally, I know it's a little hypocritical given some of the stuff that did make my list, but I'm not sure about Arena and Devil in the Dark as TOS introductions. The lizard suit and homemade cannon in Arena and the practically endless redshirt massacre (plus glowing plastic Horta) in Devil are so patently ridiculous that it's kind of hard to say, "no, seriously this is smart, thoughtful scifi" afterward, even though it is. The Changeling is likewise a classic, but a bottle episode where a Depending on the person, it can work to deliberately start on a comedy episode like A Piece Of The Action. You get a good sense of the characters, but because the plot's already got you laughing, it's not as jarring to also have a chuckle at the overall aesthetic. By the end of the episode, you've been able to have fun with the characters, so you'll be able to get invested and pay attention to them better when you move on to a more serious episode. That's my opinion, anyway, since I managed to get one person hooked on TOS with that episode. But I wouldn't do that with everyone.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:actually if they cut out the duplicate voyager part to that one episode and ended it with harry beaming himself into the sun so the alien bastards can't steal his pancreas, then i think that would have been a good end to the series. WickedHate posted:Voyager would have been a lot better if it was a sitcom. This just made me wonder if you could swap out the character names from Sealab 2021 episodes and see if people could tell.
Oh, wait...
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Depending on the person, it can work to deliberately start on a comedy episode like A Piece Of The Action. You get a good sense of the characters, but because the plot's already got you laughing, it's not as jarring to also have a chuckle at the overall aesthetic. By the end of the episode, you've been able to have fun with the characters, so you'll be able to get invested and pay attention to them better when you move on to a more serious episode. I kind of agree with this. My first Trek episode was Shore Leave
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On to TOS during my chronological rewatch - Remastered Version. Is there a reason there's discrepancies on the Enterprise CG model in the same episode? I'm on "Where No Man Has Gone Before". In the opening credits, the front of the nacelles is a deep red and has a pointy antenna looking thing on them, but then right afterward as the ship does flybyes between names they're the normal orange without point.   They're red with the point in the opening shot of the episode also. Seems a weird thing to miss when doing a full redo of the ship model, as they'd have to have rendered two different ones.
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The model was different for The Cage and WNMHGB, but the intro was done with the normal model. Cage/Where No Man..  The Man Trap onwards  IIRC, the only significant changes are the nacelle caps, the ends of the nacelles, and the top portion of the bridge. Big Mean Jerk fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Ah. So is the intro for WNMHGB CG that replicated the original models despite 99% of the show run using the other nacelles or did they not redo the ship for the episode intros?
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Mortanis posted:Ah. So is the intro for WNMHGB CG that replicated the original models despite 99% of the show run using the other nacelles or did they not redo the ship for the episode intros? Pretty sure they only did one version of the intro. I don't think the TOS remastered project was particularly well-budgeted. They also did the episodes in a "fan favorite" order instead of season order and some of the earlier CG looks pretty rough, so you have these weird instances where mediocre to bad episodes look way better than stuff like Balance of Terror. They didn't really start to fine-tune things until the 8th or 9th episode that aired.
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I just watched the Ds9 episode where Troi's mom spreads a love mind virus among the crew. It was better than I remembered. When Odo stumbles on Bashir and Kira making out, I wish he would have turned his arm into a giant knife a l la T-1000. What a missed opportunity. I mean, I would have done that if I was a shapeshifter and that nerd moved in my dream lady.
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I completely forgot Lwaxana had a son as a senior citizen and then married Odo. I hope they remembered to get that divorce.
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Another thing that bugged me about the first Worf episode of DS9 -- while they are preparing for the fight with the Klingons, there's that exchange where Odo tries to post a security detail in sickbay and Bashir is all like "hey that would violate the hippocratic oath putty man" to which Odo replies "you know the klingons will just murder you and your patients," anyway cut to later and a Klingon is about to bash Odo in the head with his sword and Bashir shoots him in the back...so can you stab a Changeling to death or give them the old Kirk treatment and beat him up with a pipe? What's the deal there? Oh and what was the deal with Odo never using phasers, was it about "justice" or something?
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Odo is spec'd completely for melee, ranged weapons would be an inefficient waste, all his other skill points and perks are focused on detective and security training.
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He would look pretty obvious with a phaser. Just a glass on Quark's bar with this huge Bajoran pistol stuck to it, nothing to see here!
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What if Odo could change into a phaser? Someone shoots a guy and then odo just oozes out of the hole and makes his way back to his phaser self.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:He would look pretty obvious with a phaser. Just a glass on Quark's bar with this huge Bajoran pistol stuck to it, nothing to see here! Somebody draw this comic. I would, if I could draw.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:Another thing that bugged me about the first Worf episode of DS9 -- while they are preparing for the fight with the Klingons, there's that exchange where Odo tries to post a security detail in sickbay and Bashir is all like "hey that would violate the hippocratic oath putty man" to which Odo replies "you know the klingons will just murder you and your patients," anyway cut to later and a Klingon is about to bash Odo in the head with his sword and Bashir shoots him in the back...so can you stab a Changeling to death or give them the old Kirk treatment and beat him up with a pipe? What's the deal there?
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Mulaney Power Move posted:Another thing that bugged me about the first Worf episode of DS9 -- while they are preparing for the fight with the Klingons, there's that exchange where Odo tries to post a security detail in sickbay and Bashir is all like "hey that would violate the hippocratic oath putty man" to which Odo replies "you know the klingons will just murder you and your patients," anyway cut to later and a Klingon is about to bash Odo in the head with his sword and Bashir shoots him in the back...so can you stab a Changeling to death or give them the old Kirk treatment and beat him up with a pipe? What's the deal there? I am pretty sure Odo was knock unconscious from a blow to the head at least once, and I don't think it was during the period he was a solid.
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Odo had a mace thrown completely through his face in the first episode, so a sword ain't gonna do poo poo to him. But yeah, a rock'll knock him out.
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Remember that when Odo, or any other changeling, takes the time to shapeshift properly they show up on scanners as whatever they're mimicking. Also recall that a phaser sweep (presumably on stun, since it doesn't seem to damage anything else in the room) can disrupt a changeling's shapeshifting abilities. Consequently, I think that if you caught Odo by surprise you could incapacitate him, but you probably wouldn't be able to kill him with anything short of a powerful energy beam or a blast.
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Yeah, Changelings apparently become "solid" when they take that form, given that Odo apparently CAN have actual sex, which was for the first few seasons kind of implied to not be something he could do. In fact, I kind of questioned his whole relationship with Kira for that reason--I was pleasantly surprised when they made mention of the fact that he couldn't impregnate her, a nice attention to the detail that it makes no sense for every alien species in Star Trek to be able to...ah...cross-pollinate. It's a hazy area best left to your imaginations, but Odo's sex life is low on my list of "things to discuss in great detail" about DS9.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The model was different for The Cage and WNMHGB, but the intro was done with the normal model. They also shrunk the deflector dish a bit.
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