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Pope Guilty posted:What actual argument is being dishonestly described when alt right idiots complain about kafka traps? I have literally never seen this happen.
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pookel posted:Supposedly, it's when a liberal says "the fact that you deny that you're a racist proves you're a racist!" Sounds like something MRAs would insist is a thing with regards to rape allegations too.
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Sep 8, 2016 15:58
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Methinks they doth protest too much.
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Sep 8, 2016 16:05
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poptart_fairy posted:It was taken less than a minute after being posted and hits almost every single stereotype about that kind of person. It was a poster named Vox Imperatoris from the Straight Dope message boards and he is the genuine article. It was taken less than a minute after being posted because like SA people are weirdly obsessed with Straight Dope posters and former posters. This information was gained from actually reverse image searching the drat thing instead of asserting the same dumb argument over and over again.
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Sep 8, 2016 16:08
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More likely, the conversation goes like this: Alt-right person: "So you see, cops are right to assume black people are violent, because black people are more likely to be criminals ..." Liberal: "Uh, that's kind of racist." Alt-right person: "I'm not a racist!!" Liberal: "Actually, we all have ingrained racial prejudices because of societal conditioning -" Alt-right person: "Kafkatrapping! Thought crimes! Identity politics!" Source: have had this conversation a few times. Discounting the actual overt white supremacists among them, they seem to be fairly ignorant of the idea of unconscious biases, and they take "that thought you just expressed has [not necessarily deliberate] racist overtones" as "you are an evil racist!" I've been told that accusations of racism are meant to manipulate emotions and shut down the conversation, which I find quite strange. Usually when someone says that something I said was racist, my reaction is to re-examine it, consider if they're right, and maybe apologize for it or defend it, depending on whether I agree with them. Either way, I don't take it as an attempt to stifle my free thinking.
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Sep 8, 2016 16:08
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Terrible Opinions posted:It was a poster named Vox Imperatoris from the Straight Dope message boards and he is the genuine article. It was taken less than a minute after being posted because like SA people are weirdly obsessed with Straight Dope posters and former posters. This information was gained from actually reverse image searching the drat thing instead of asserting the same dumb argument over and over again.
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Sep 8, 2016 16:14
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Yeah, I'm happy to be proven wrong if this is genuine, but I can't find anything either and the set-up of that image - the chessboard, the first year text books, etc - all seem incredibly deliberate solely to get a response from people.Terrible Opinions posted:Copy and pasting the url into the normal google search brought up a few forums where the same imgur image was linked or embedded. "Unsourced image gets shared multiple times".
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Sep 8, 2016 16:20
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Copy and pasting the url into the normal google search brought up a few forums where the same imgur image was linked or embedded.
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Sep 8, 2016 16:21
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poptart_fairy posted:Yeah, I'm happy to be proven wrong if this is genuine, but I can't find anything either and the set-up of that image - the chessboard, the first year text books, etc - all seem incredibly deliberate solely to get a response from people.
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Sep 8, 2016 16:22
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It seems fairly obvious to me that nazis promote animal welfare as a weapon against kosher and halal diets and as a way to demonize Jews and Muslims
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Sep 8, 2016 16:25
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This Troper just basically destroyed The Libby at his school with one of these in a My Space bulletin. For some background, The Libby spread a rumor two years back that I masturbated during class several times; it still haunts me to this day. I posted a bulletin about it, The Libby responded making fun of me and giving a failed one of these. This would be a World of Cardboard Speech if the point wasn't to insult her. And I quote: "I was trying to get through my bulletin without mentioning any names as to avoid a massive bulletin war, but you just had to start being a bitch. Which is nothing new for you—in fact, it's something you do almost every time you dilate the second anus right above your chin—but I digress. The "loving retard" who spread that rumor just so happens to be you. How many times has your walking money pit hosed you today again? I'm guessing zero, you frigid bitch—you're probably too caught up in your ideals of "OMG, I'M GONNA SAVE MYSELF FOR MARRIAGE BECAUSE I'LL GO TO HELL OTHERWISE" to even put out to him. On that note, God doesn't love you. Hell, you're borderline proof that there isn't a god; no loving creator would make someone who's as much of a bitch as you are. Oh, and those puppies of yours. . . . I hope someone breaks into your house and loving drowns them." See, this is why you don't try and make fun of someone who is not only anonymous, but also a Something Awful goon. They will hit you five times as hard, and you will not recover.
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Sep 8, 2016 16:26
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Whether the image is made intentionally to be mocked or produced entirely earnestly and still worthy of mockery, I don't get why poptart_fairy is so invested in ensuring we stop mocking it. Or mock it properly.
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Sep 8, 2016 16:26
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The Vosgian Beast posted:This Troper just basically destroyed The Libby at his school with one of these in a My Space bulletin. For some background, The Libby spread a rumor two years back that I masturbated during class several times; it still haunts me to this day. I posted a bulletin about it, The Libby responded making fun of me and giving a failed one of these. This would be a World of Cardboard Speech if the point wasn't to insult her. And I quote: "I was trying to get through my bulletin without mentioning any names as to avoid a massive bulletin war, but you just had to start being a bitch. Which is nothing new for you—in fact, it's something you do almost every time you dilate the second anus right above your chin—but I digress. The "loving retard" who spread that rumor just so happens to be you. How many times has your walking money pit hosed you today again? I'm guessing zero, you frigid bitch—you're probably too caught up in your ideals of "OMG, I'M GONNA SAVE MYSELF FOR MARRIAGE BECAUSE I'LL GO TO HELL OTHERWISE" to even put out to him. On that note, God doesn't love you. Hell, you're borderline proof that there isn't a god; no loving creator would make someone who's as much of a bitch as you are. Oh, and those puppies of yours. . . . I hope someone breaks into your house and loving drowns them." See, this is why you don't try and make fun of someone who is not only anonymous, but also a Something Awful goon. They will hit you five times as hard, and you will not recover. When that got on This Troper, Clyde Cash edited out the last few lines. I wonder why 
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Sep 8, 2016 16:29
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TomViolence posted:Whether the image is made intentionally to be mocked or produced entirely earnestly and still worthy of mockery, I don't get why poptart_fairy is so invested in ensuring we stop mocking it. Or mock it properly. Like I said earlier, I just posted to say that it was mocking the same people as this thread. Tess broke his forum break to repeatedly talk about my mother, and somfin got weird. 
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Sep 8, 2016 16:31
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TomViolence posted:Whether the image is made intentionally to be mocked or produced entirely earnestly and still worthy of mockery, I don't get why poptart_fairy is so invested in ensuring we stop mocking it. Or mock it properly. Because he wrote it.
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Sep 8, 2016 16:41
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Please stop paying attention to poptart_fairy, you're just encouraging him to further derail
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Sep 8, 2016 16:57
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pookel posted:Supposedly, it's when a liberal says "the fact that you deny that you're a racist proves you're a racist!" The closest I've seen are jokes about how typical "I'm not racist because..." excuses (e.g. "some of my best friends are black") are super popular among people making racist statements.
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Sep 8, 2016 16:57
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Yeah, I think it might be a warping of that line of thinking. Like, while there are some absolute nuts who will jump on anything to make someone appear racist, the chances of that being a genuinely widespread argument are almost nil. Even on the angriest parts of twitter and tumblr you'd be hard pressed for it.
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Sep 8, 2016 17:01
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The Vosgian Beast posted:This Troper just basically destroyed The Libby at his school with one of these in a My Space bulletin. For some background, The Libby spread a rumor two years back that I masturbated during class several times; it still haunts me to this day. I posted a bulletin about it, The Libby responded making fun of me and giving a failed one of these. This would be a World of Cardboard Speech if the point wasn't to insult her. And I quote: "I was trying to get through my bulletin without mentioning any names as to avoid a massive bulletin war, but you just had to start being a bitch. Which is nothing new for you—in fact, it's something you do almost every time you dilate the second anus right above your chin—but I digress. The "loving retard" who spread that rumor just so happens to be you. How many times has your walking money pit hosed you today again? I'm guessing zero, you frigid bitch—you're probably too caught up in your ideals of "OMG, I'M GONNA SAVE MYSELF FOR MARRIAGE BECAUSE I'LL GO TO HELL OTHERWISE" to even put out to him. On that note, God doesn't love you. Hell, you're borderline proof that there isn't a god; no loving creator would make someone who's as much of a bitch as you are. Oh, and those puppies of yours. . . . I hope someone breaks into your house and loving drowns them." See, this is why you don't try and make fun of someone who is not only anonymous, but also a Something Awful goon. They will hit you five times as hard, and you will not recover. Is this authentic Troper? Because, if so, this is up there with INHUMAN! and the pencil-breaker. Pure poetry. Also, if authentic, the author totally jerked off in class. No "rumor" about it.
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The anti-semite has chosen hate because hate is a faith; at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons. How entirely at ease he feels as a result. How futile and frivolous discussions about the rights of the Jew appear to him. He has placed himself on other ground from the beginning. If out of courtesy he consents for a moment to defend his point of view, he lends himself but does not give himself. He tries simply to project his intuitive certainty onto the plane of discourse. I mentioned awhile back some remarks by anti-Semites, all of them absurd: ‘I hate Jews because they make servants insubordinate, because a Jewish furrier robbed me, etc.’ Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past (Jean-Paul Sartre, asking people to please stop feeding the trolls)
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GunnerJ posted:The closest I've seen are jokes about how typical "I'm not racist because..." excuses (e.g. "some of my best friends are black") are super popular among people making racist statements.
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Sep 8, 2016 18:13
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Antivehicular posted:Is this authentic Troper? Because, if so, this is up there with INHUMAN! and the pencil-breaker. Pure poetry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFL1nrGeJIM A prototypical alt-righter, tbh.
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Sep 8, 2016 19:16
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TV tropes is an absolute goldmine. I recommend the F Plus podcast's episode on Troper tales if you want more than you can stand of it.
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Sep 8, 2016 19:27
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Or the CrazyGoggs videos.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdvKqb8yY2M
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Sep 8, 2016 19:35
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In other news about weird alt-righters/anti-SJWs who don't understand what words mean, I insulted some rear end in a top hat on Tumblr (behind their back, admittedly), and one of those weird jagoffs who keeps thisisyourfallacy.com open in a tab at all times "called Poe's Law on me" because the mere act of disagreement with him meant I was a parody. For people who pedantically nitpick everything, they sure are eager to misinterpret and twist meaningings. (I was genuinely incensed by the "Poe's Law" accusation, though I tried to keep my responses short because I knew if I wrote anything more than a few short sentences, I'd be dismissed as an SJW for caring too much or something. But I didn't help write the original Poe's Law article back in 2008 just for some fuckwad to completely misinterpret it.)
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Sep 8, 2016 20:08
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pookel posted:More likely, the conversation goes like this: You've only got so much time in a day though, and time spent thinking about whether the thing you just said is an example of unconscious racism is time you can't spend saying more unconsciously racist things. Shutting up is basically anathema to the alt-Right (largely because they view silence and reflection as beta things) so you're deliberately trying to stifle my free thoughts and replace them with your (((liberal))) mind control/manipulation. This fear of having one's thoughts influenced by social interaction is actually what's at the core of all the Rationalist poo poo as well, the idea that if you don't have a well stocked mental fortress of Bayesian priors you're vulnerable to hostile memes.
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TinTower posted:Or the CrazyGoggs videos. CrazyGoggs was a weirdo who made a video about a mentally ill woman who literally got sent to a mental institution after having a complete breakdown and "forgot" to volunteer that information in the video he made about her crazy posts. And also before he was CrazyGoggs he was Clyde Cash and spent a lot of time gaslighting an autistic person from a broken household because she made a lovely webcomic. For that reason I've never really been into endorsing his videos. The Fplus episodes on TvTropes are great, though.
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poptart_fairy posted:Like I said earlier, I just posted to say that it was mocking the same people as this thread. Tess broke his forum break to repeatedly talk about my mother, and somfin got weird. You're right, buddy. I was the one who got weird about it. 
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Fitting that exercise & fitness receives only minor support. They're such ubermenschen they don't even need it. pookel posted:Supposedly, it's when a liberal says "the fact that you deny that you're a racist proves you're a racist!" In some D&D circles, when the talk steers towards how much white people hate being called racist (they do), the conversation can take on elements of this. In the same way "I have black friends" is regarded as a dogwhistle to some people. In same cases they're right, in others it's just dogpiling. But that's neither here nor there. Deified Data has a new favorite as of 23:31 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Sep 8, 2016 23:27
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Deified Data posted:In some D&D circles, when the talk steers towards how much white people hate being called racist (they do), the conversation can take on elements of this. In the same way "I have black friends" is regarded as a dogwhistle to some people. In same cases they're right, in others it's just dogpiling. But that's neither here nor there. I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt when we dogpiled you for saying something racist.
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Sep 8, 2016 23:33
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Small Frozen Thing posted:I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt when we dogpiled you for saying something racist. I know you probably checked my post history for specific examples to support this witty retort and found nothing, so why did you bother posting it? Ask me to clarify if you think I'm wrong about something. I know "It's coming from inside the thread!" is an exciting prospect but we could only be so lucky.
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Deified Data posted:I know you probably checked my post history for specific examples to support this witty retort and found nothing, so why did you bother posting it? *pushes up glasses in attempt to distract from extremely high-pitch nasal voice* I'll have you know my random aside about how D&D dogpiles on the poor innocent racist is totally something I pulled out of well-documented sources however your joke that I'm bitter about such a thing is completely unfounded and my legal team will be serving you forthwith
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Deified Data posted:I know you probably checked my post history for specific examples to support this witty retort and found nothing, so why did you bother posting it? Yes. I want a fully-illustrated PDF of all the mean things the nasty-wasty Debate and Discussion psychotrolls have done in the course of their criminality. And I want it on my desk by Monday.
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Sep 9, 2016 00:31
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Quoted Post: I don't know that this is a thing Post: I've seen it manifest like this once or twice quote:I'll have you know my random aside  "There are no easily riled posters with trouble grasping context in D&D" seems like a weird hill to die on tbh
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Sep 9, 2016 00:39
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Deified Data posted:Quoted Post: I don't know that this is a thing
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Deified Data posted:Quoted Post: I don't know that this is a thing "Hill to die on"? You gonna start talking about curing our little case of Dunning-Kruger next?
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Sep 9, 2016 00:47
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I hope a DE thing happens today so you can find something interesting to talk about. God bless.
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Sep 9, 2016 00:52
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Brainiac Five posted:Yes. I want a fully-illustrated PDF of all the mean things the nasty-wasty Debate and Discussion psychotrolls have done in the course of their criminality. And I want it on my desk by Monday.
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Ah, Rev. Always able to find the good in everyone*. https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/773850623129292800 https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/773852278725967876 https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/773857547392548864 https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/773874540946546688 https://twitter.com/asherahresearch/status/773851657906053120 https://twitter.com/asherahresearch/status/773853667661320192 *in the ingroup
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Deified Data posted:Quoted Post: I don't know that this is a thing Clearly it's worth mentioning D&D to prove how epic c00l you are unlike those Social Justice Warriors in that forum that's totally racist against white people. Deified Data posted:"There are no easily riled posters with trouble grasping context in D&D" seems like a weird hill to die on tbh True, you're easily riled when people suggest you're an idiot baby. Guess I need to be more sensitive.
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