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The best part of afterburner photos are the planebutts
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 04:35 |
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My flight school got a ton of tickets to an advanced screening of Sully. It was good if you're an airplane nerd.
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 05:00 |
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Really? The number of errors in the trailer was atrocious. Scimitar wings in 2009? And don't get me started about the liveries!
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 05:04 |
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Neat! I never knew they captured the YF-12 outrunning a surface-to-air missile!
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 05:49 |
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Paint it black When you see a plane painted like this you know it's up to no good
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 05:58 |
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Suicide Watch posted:When you see a plane painted like this you know it's up to no good I've been reading "Fifteen Minutes" about LeMay's persistent desire to start WW3, and evidently the Air Force was *not happy* about having to repaint the undersides of BUFFs from anti-flash white to 'harder to spot' black. Of course, they were even less happy about putting their precious hydrogen bomb trucks in harm's way in the first place to bomb 'suspected truck parks,' too.
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 06:47 |
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Inacio posted:I'd say best plane but I don't want to get chastised by the thread. Agreed. When I was a kid my Dad (former US Air Force pilot) had this huge book about military aircraft and I thought the Draken was so weird and cool. This too:
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 06:49 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I've been reading "Fifteen Minutes" about LeMay's persistent desire to start WW3, and evidently the Air Force was *not happy* about having to repaint the undersides of BUFFs from anti-flash white to 'harder to spot' black. Of course, they were even less happy about putting their precious hydrogen bomb trucks in harm's way in the first place to bomb 'suspected truck parks,' too. Over the years I've gathered that LeMay wanted to start WW3, but I never understood his rationale. Similarly, I'm kind of impressed that despite his long time in such a position of power he was constantly prevented from starting WW3. Is there any information on this?
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 07:18 |
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AlmightyPants posted:Over the years I've gathered that LeMay wanted to start WW3, but I never understood his rationale. Similarly, I'm kind of impressed that despite his long time in such a position of power he was constantly prevented from starting WW3. Is there any information on this? LeMay wanted to start WW3 because in the mid 1950s to early 1960s, we would have won handily with 'acceptable losses.' The Soviets had the SS-6, but the thing required like 24 hours of prep time and had a CEP of like 3 miles. He was a textbook obsessive compulsive headcase who couldn't understand why given the knowledge that we'd 'win,' why anyone *wouldn't* give him the authority to go in and do his job. In short, imagine LeMay as 'Mugatu' from Zoolander, and every day, he wondered why everyone except him (and maybe Gen. Thomas Power) was taking 'crazy pills.' He finally went completely off his loving nut as soon as we'd let the Russians build enough of and good-enough missiles and other assorted delivery systems to assure MAD (in addition to McNamara's love of missiles and his constant chopping away at Airborne Alert), and ran as George Wallace's VP, thereby hitching his wagon to a bigot when in all truth he'd never shown a single example of racism - the only people whom he couldn't stand were people who got in his way. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Sep 8, 2016 |
# ? Sep 8, 2016 07:37 |
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Curtis LeMay wanted to start WWIII on his terms.quote:Native annalists may look sadly back from the future on that period when we had the atomic bomb and the Russians didn't. Or when the Russians had aquired (through connivance and treachery of Westerns with warped minds) the atomic bomb—and yet still didn't have any stockpile of the weapons. That was the era when we might have destroyed Russia completely and not even skinned our elbows doing it. As to the balance that kept him in power, but not starting WWIII: I wish I knew. Time travellers, maybe.
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 07:41 |
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Platystemon posted:As to the balance that kept him in power, but not starting WWIII: I wish I knew. Time travellers, maybe. Or it's a rare moment in human history where decency and morality won over morbid logic. Unlikely*, I know - but I'm a pessimistic fucker by stock and trade and I've gotta imagine silver linings *somewhere*. * the real reason is that despite having deliverable weapons to the other side's 'nothing,' that we 1) didn't have enough fissile material for a usable stockpile until around 1949 for purely fission bombs, 2) until the B-47 and B-52 the plan for delivering the few bombs we DID have was "fly B-29s and B-36s in large formations and hope the Reds don't shoot down the ones carrying the nukes," and 3) before the B-47 and B-52 were introduced, we were dropping bombs that were landing well off target, which meant that even though we HAD the bombs in larger quantity than the Russians and could deliver more of them to the general *vicinity* of targets, we couldn't guarantee their usefulness, and the delivery platforms were simultaneously immensely valuable and extremely unreliable at the same time. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 09:46 on Sep 8, 2016 |
# ? Sep 8, 2016 07:49 |
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Night-time afterburners you say?
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 09:05 |
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ehnus posted:Neat! I never knew they captured the YF-12 outrunning a surface-to-air missile! more of an air to surface missile, generally
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 11:12 |
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Jaguars! posted:more of an air to surface missile, generally
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 11:17 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Or it's a rare moment in human history where decency and morality won over morbid logic. Unlikely*, I know - but I'm a pessimistic fucker by stock and trade and I've gotta imagine silver linings *somewhere*. I wonder if anybody ever said to LeMay "Hey, isn't this how World War 2 started? A golden opportunity to attack an enemy and knock them out quickly?"
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 12:07 |
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Love me some lemay quotesquote:If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting. quote:If we maintain our faith in God, love of freedom, and superior global air power, the future looks good.
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 12:37 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Or it's a rare moment in human history where decency and morality won over morbid logic. Unlikely*, I know - but I'm a pessimistic fucker by stock and trade and I've gotta imagine silver linings *somewhere*. You also forgot that Russia is relatively close to the NATO countries so any potential fallout would inevitably drop on them as well. If Russia was as isolated as, say, Australia is it would have been a more attractive option. (If Australia's interior were nuked would anybody really even notice?) edit: quote:Twelve Vixen B trials, between 1960 and 1963, attempted to discover the effects of high explosives detonating a nuclear weapon in a fire (typical of conditions which would occur in aviation accidents) and involved 22 kg of plutonium. They produced "jets of molten, burning plutonium extending hundreds of feet into the air." Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Sep 8, 2016 |
# ? Sep 8, 2016 13:38 |
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 13:47 |
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Yes, apart from those practical reasons they should have murdered 100 million people so we didn't have to risk a war breaking out.
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 14:10 |
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Nebakenezzer posted:I wonder if anybody ever said to LeMay "Hey, isn't this how World War 2 started? A golden opportunity to attack an enemy and knock them out quickly?" To be fair, that part worked on the Western Front. blugu64 posted:Love me some lemay quotes I can't believe my family isn't posting LeMay quotes on facebook. But even if you only buy into two of the three, we're loving ourselves pretty good. Edit: Party Plane Jones posted:You also forgot that Russia is relatively close to the NATO countries so any potential fallout would inevitably drop on them as well. If Russia was as isolated as, say, Australia is it would have been a more attractive option. The jet stream moves eastward. Not to say it's not a concern, but only the stuff that stays very low in the atmosphere. Godholio fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Ola posted:Yes, apart from those practical reasons they should have murdered 100 million people so we didn't have to risk a war breaking out. Well, yeah, and that. "We have to but kick in the door, and the whole rotten edifice will collapse." I like this quote because if you are inside the rotten edifice when it collapses, you will be killed. I think if you assume, like I think LeMay did, that nuclear war with the Warsaw Pact was 100% inevitable, then it was pretty much, well, like George C. Scott in Dr. Strangelove: quote:General Turgidson: Mr. President, we are rapidly approaching a moment of truth both for ourselves as human beings and for the life of our nation. Now, truth is not always a pleasant thing. But it is necessary now to make a choice, to choose between two admittedly regrettable, but nevertheless *distinguishable*, postwar environments: one where you got twenty million people killed, and the other where you got a hundred and fifty million people killed.
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 16:12 |
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Nebakenezzer posted:I think if you assume, like I think LeMay did, that nuclear war with the Warsaw Pact was 100% inevitable, then it was pretty much, well, like George C. Scott in Dr. Strangelove:
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 16:43 |
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Alereon posted:The more you know about the cold war, air power, and nuclear deterrence the better this movie gets. It's truly a masterpiece. Also, "turgid" is a great word. Can confirm. So's merkin for that matter.
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 16:44 |
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Godholio posted:I can't believe my family isn't posting LeMay quotes on facebook. Be the change you want to see in the world quote:I don't want to hear of any of you men getting into any fights with the British. But if you do, you'd better not get whipped. quote:I think there are many times when it would be most efficient to use nuclear weapons. However, the public opinion in this country and throughout the world throw up their hands in horror when you mention nuclear weapons, just because of the propaganda that's been fed to them. Actual quasi content as I don't think there is anywhere else to post it. I found a Davy Crockett, B53, and a nuclear rocket at the museum of atomic testing in Las Vegas.
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 16:59 |
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Imagine living in the world where it happened. "Hey, remember that day America went and killed Russia?" That's gotta put a bit of a dent in your general outlook. e: who am I kidding, we'd be talking about Bieber and Game of Thrones again five minutes later aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Sep 8, 2016 |
# ? Sep 8, 2016 19:25 |
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This is relevant: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/history-is-weird
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 19:29 |
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aphid_licker posted:Imagine living in the world where it happened. "Hey, remember that day America went and killed Russia?" That's gotta put a bit of a dent in your general outlook. "I am pleased to announce that I have just signed legislation that will make Russia illegal forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 19:32 |
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Jaguars! posted:more of an air to surface missile, generally
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# ? Sep 8, 2016 19:45 |
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LET'S MAKE SOME NOISE SE-DXP is the only flying Draken in Europe at the moment and it has this weird (and awesome) thing going on where it farts out a big yellow flame when the afterburner lights up. I don't believe I've seen other Draken individuals do this. It might just be that it's got the short version of the tail cone - most of the one-seaters had a longer tail cone. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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blugu64 posted:Actual quasi content as I don't think there is anywhere else to post it. I found a Davy Crockett, B53, and a nuclear rocket at the museum of atomic testing in Las Vegas. I'm imagining some sort of Ocean's 11 where the Davy Crockett is still live, and they gotta steal it from a museum as part of the latest big plot. "What the hell? This thing is rigged to blow with a egg timer?"
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https://www.wired.com/2016/09/air-force-stash-f-22s-us-nasa-yeah-sure-got-room/ I wonder if they have a hangar map with little F-22 shapes like they do on carriers
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Suicide Watch posted:https://www.wired.com/2016/09/air-force-stash-f-22s-us-nasa-yeah-sure-got-room/ quote:But again with the mutual love: NASA uses the base’s runways for their own aircraft. Share and share alike. Holy crap.
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# ? Sep 9, 2016 01:39 |
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TheFluff posted:
IMO one of the coolest things about the Viggen is Which makes me wonder if some Saab engineer had a really fun phone call with Pratt and Whitney : "Hey guys, crazy question..."
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# ? Sep 9, 2016 01:45 |
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Suicide Watch posted:https://www.wired.com/2016/09/air-force-stash-f-22s-us-nasa-yeah-sure-got-room/ I still think of the F-22 as this superhero lone wolf aircraft, it's weird seeing such a visceral reminder that yeah, the thing was mass-produced. Was.
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# ? Sep 9, 2016 03:50 |
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The only solution is to start production of an updated YF 23
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# ? Sep 9, 2016 03:57 |
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Actually that reminds me, why the gently caress did we skip all the F-designations between 22 and 35? I realize the joint strike fighter prototypes were the X-32 and X-35, but why when it was chosen as the contest winner wasn't it re-designated F-24 or whatever?
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Nebakenezzer posted:I'm imagining some sort of Ocean's 11 where the Davy Crockett is still live, and they gotta steal it from a museum as part of the latest big plot. I'd be lying if I didn't think about how awesome one would look in my office. Side note, I also forgot I saw this too:
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Enourmo posted:Actually that reminds me, why the gently caress did we skip all the F-designations between 22 and 35? I realize the joint strike fighter prototypes were the X-32 and X-35, but why when it was chosen as the contest winner wasn't it re-designated F-24 or whatever? designation-systems.net posted:(4) Design Number: Each vehicle type and basic mission symbol is used to form a separate series of design numbers. E.g., all helicopters are designated in a single numerical sequence, while "normal" aircraft are designated in separate series according to their basic mission. According to the instructions, the numbers in each series are to be assigned in strict numerical sequence without reference to manufacturers' model numbers and/or existing numbers in other MDS series. However, this rule is rather often violated nowadays, e.g. by using the manufacturer's model number (e.g. KC-767A), retaining the number when a new designation in another series is assigned (e.g. the production variant of the X-35 was designated F-35, although the next number in the F-series was 24), or allocating "special" numbers (e.g. X-50A, T-6A). For more information on these and other examples, see article on Non-Standard DOD Aircraft Designations. Also, sometimes numbers are skipped in one series because they are in use at the same time in another series (e.g. C-34 was skipped to "avoid confusion" with T-34). http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/aircraft.html If you're really interested in how that works, this page lays it out in detail, including sentences like this: quote:The PO sends a written request for assignment of a new MDS to the DODCP. For U.S. Air Force POs this is done directly, while for the other DOD services (Navy/Marines, Army, Coast Guard) or the NASA, this is done via that service's DCP (Departmental Control Point), which handles and forwards all MDS requests for the respective service. The written request must include a reasonably detailed description of the program and the vehicle, so that DODCP can determine which new MDS (if any!) should be assigned. vessbot fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Sep 9, 2016 |
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blugu64 posted:I'd be lying if I didn't think about how awesome one would look in my office. Side note, I also forgot I saw this too: 64 days 22 hours 19 minutes Still find it hard to believe.
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Terrible Robot posted:64 days 22 hours 19 minutes Holy poo poo, that's a pretty amazing story. https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2008/march/pilot/endurance-test-circa-1958
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