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FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

I'm just going to say 'make it so' to customers today and see if they react

# ? Sep 8, 2016 14:15

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# ? May 11, 2024 21:44

Rhyno: Mar 22, 2003; Can't post for 10 years!

mossyfisk posted:

Doesn't the other Alpha Quadrant changeling we meet in DS9 shapeshift into a warp-capable starship?

It was a space-faring creature, not a ship.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 14:19

GET IN THE ROBOT: Nov 28, 2007; JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

8-Bit Scholar posted:

This may just be me, but I sort of saw all of DS9 operating on a much, MUCH larger scale than they depict.

There's an episode where they have I think Jake and Bashir stuck in the midst of a war zone while the Federation is fighting the Klingons. Naturally most of the war scenes are happening outside of the cave they are in, and you only have four or five extras with guns to have as enemy Klingons, but the dialogue, the descriptions of the battles, and the general tone of it all suggest a Warhammer 40k-scale war, with Klingons enacting incredible acts of genocide and violence as they sweep across the planet like Mongols, Federation troops totally outgunned and pressed to desperation.

DS9 tells and doesn't show to incredible effect. I feel like for television, this ought to have a new term. Doctor Who is the original master of this, managing to take echoey sound stages and warhouse sets and transforming them into myriads alien worlds, alternate dimensions, strange timelines, etc. In fact, a First Doctor (maybe Second) episode has the Doctor and co end up in a gap between dimensions, exploring essentially a space outside of space, and this is demonstrated with basically a cheap, cheap sound stage set, nothing but white walls and floor, a little smoke, some cardboard walls...and it works, perhaps even better than a great special effects effort would, precisely because it looks so cheap and weird that it sells the weirdness of the setting.

Making a lot with a little is one of the wonderful things television does best.

That's a Star Trek \ TV budget thing in general. The Enterprise-D is huge and has tons of rooms never shown onscreen, but in the show, we mostly just see a bunch of beige hallways and never really get that sense. Like, there's a huge shuttlebay we never see, plus a room where they literally keep whales and dolphins.

Star Trek: TMP is one of the few times where we get a good sense of scale, because the movie did actually have a pretty big budget.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 14:41

bull3964: Nov 18, 2000; DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.

BBC-A is doing what CBS won't. A TOS marathon kicks off tonight at 8:30 with 'The Man Trap', all episodes will be unedited, they will not be cut down for syndication.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 15:11

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Clearly CBS would rather run a rerun of Big Bang Theory or one of their other garbage shows than anything else

# ? Sep 8, 2016 15:18

bull3964: Nov 18, 2000; DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.

Big Bang Theory rerun is actually 8. 8:30 is some show called 'Life in Pieces.'

I guess if they ran it at 8:30 it would run into Big Brother. The horror.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 15:27

McNally: Sep 13, 2007; Ask me about Proposition 305

Do you like muskets?

Gammatron 64 posted:

That's a Star Trek \ TV budget thing in general. The Enterprise-D is huge and has tons of rooms never shown onscreen, but in the show, we mostly just see a bunch of beige hallways and never really get that sense. Like, there's a huge shuttlebay we never see, plus a room where they literally keep whales and dolphins.

Star Trek: TMP is one of the few times where we get a good sense of scale, because the movie did actually have a pretty big budget.

I was thinking about the scale of a Galaxy class the other day and wondered if, like during the Dominion War for example, they stripped a Galaxy class of all excess personnel (families, science crews, maybe beef up engineering and security a bit, I think you'd end up with a crew of like 500), consolidated them in quarters on the interior sections of the saucer, and then locked off the vacant areas and shut off power to them.

No life support, no gravity, no replicators, no lighting, no automated cleaning robots (or whatever), in a considerable portion of a Galaxy class starship. Reroute that power to shields or weapons or both.

Would that make an appreciable difference?

# ? Sep 8, 2016 17:16

CobiWann: Oct 21, 2009; Have fun!

Want.

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# ? Sep 8, 2016 17:23

After The War: Apr 12, 2005; to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

McNally posted:

I was thinking about the scale of a Galaxy class the other day and wondered if, like during the Dominion War for example, they stripped a Galaxy class of all excess personnel (families, science crews, maybe beef up engineering and security a bit, I think you'd end up with a crew of like 500), consolidated them in quarters on the interior sections of the saucer, and then locked off the vacant areas and shut off power to them.

No life support, no gravity, no replicators, no lighting, no automated cleaning robots (or whatever), in a considerable portion of a Galaxy class starship. Reroute that power to shields or weapons or both.

Would that make an appreciable difference?

Given that the energy-based weapons are designed to overload/damage/destroy other spaceships, I'm sure that their energy use is many orders of magnitude greater than what life support requires. Now if, instead of just leaving those areas empty, they were to convert them into additional dedicated weapon space, that would make the whole ship a massive terror death machine.

Thematically, that would be devastating. The ship design we associate with peace and understanding become a form of horror and destruction? It would really drive home the sacrifices the Federation would be willing to make, but it would be enough of a mindfuck for viewers that it would require more than just a passing reference.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 17:46

Farmer Crack-Ass: Jan 2, 2001; this is me posting irl

I think it would have been cool if we'd started seeing saucer-less Galaxys.

EDIT: I mean, really, they should have separated Odyssey for what was obviously a combat mission.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 18:51

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

CobiWann posted:

Want.

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Hell yes, the future is here

# ? Sep 8, 2016 18:53

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

CobiWann posted:

Want.

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One charge lasts 10 hours? Christ. Needs to be a bit longer than that. I guess it's ok for convention wear.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 18:53

The Dark One: Aug 19, 2005; I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Barclay has a soul because he was able to remember everything during transport, even though it's been established multiple times that the transporter breaks you down molecule by molecule and turns you into energy.

God what a poo poo episode that was.

The Barclay particles that comprise the matter stream remain entangled during transport! Or something!
/
/
:techno:

# ? Sep 8, 2016 19:10

Subyng: May 4, 2013

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I think it would have been cool if we'd started seeing saucer-less Galaxys.

EDIT: I mean, really, they should have separated Odyssey for what was obviously a combat mission.

Saucer less galaxy looks really dumb though.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 19:11

MrL_JaKiri: Sep 23, 2003; A bracing glass of carrot juice!

The_Doctor posted:

One charge lasts 10 hours? Christ. Needs to be a bit longer than that. I guess it's ok for convention wear.

Bluetooth tends to be quite energy intensive

# ? Sep 8, 2016 19:12

Mortanis: Dec 28, 2005; It's your father's lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight.; College Slice

There's a TOS communicator bluetooth speaker/mic set I saw at Best Buy. An absurd $150 but you can answer your phone on it and talk. I'd never pay that much for a loving gimmick but drat if part of me doesn't desperately want one.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 19:30

Blade_of_tyshalle: Jul 12, 2009; If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Bluetooth tends to be quite energy intensive

Why? Is it literally always transmitting, even when nothing is going on?

# ? Sep 8, 2016 19:39

Big Mean Jerk: Jan 27, 2009; Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Why? Is it literally always transmitting, even when nothing is going on?

There's a constant buildup of Bluetooth particles

# ? Sep 8, 2016 19:57

Farmer Crack-Ass: Jan 2, 2001; this is me posting irl

Subyng posted:

Saucer less galaxy looks really dumb though.

Way less dumb than some of the kitbash atrocities that cropped up

# ? Sep 8, 2016 20:41

MrJacobs: Sep 15, 2008

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Way less dumb than some of the kitbash atrocities that cropped up

can you post some screens of the kitbashes that appeared on screen other than the wolf 359 scene and the nebula? I dont remember any more than those. I mean I remeber a bunch of designs, but never ones seen on the actual shows/movies.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 20:45

primaltrash: Feb 11, 2008; (Thought-ful Croak)

Good place to start.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/kitbash.htm

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/ds9tm.htm

# ? Sep 8, 2016 20:46

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

This forever remains the best ship in trek

# ? Sep 8, 2016 20:48

Tunicate: May 15, 2012

armoredgorilla posted:

Good place to start.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/kitbash.htm

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/ds9tm.htm

Note that he refuses referrals from SA

# ? Sep 8, 2016 20:56

Big Mean Jerk: Jan 27, 2009; Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Tunicate posted:

Note that he refuses referrals from SA

It's also written by an incredibly insufferable sperg who has a tantrum in almost every single Kelvin ship entry.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 20:57

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

After The War posted:

Given that the energy-based weapons are designed to overload/damage/destroy other spaceships, I'm sure that their energy use is many orders of magnitude greater than what life support requires. Now if, instead of just leaving those areas empty, they were to convert them into additional dedicated weapon space, that would make the whole ship a massive terror death machine.

Thematically, that would be devastating. The ship design we associate with peace and understanding become a form of horror and destruction? It would really drive home the sacrifices the Federation would be willing to make, but it would be enough of a mindfuck for viewers that it would require more than just a passing reference.

I thought that's what they were doing with those Galaxies in the Dominion war? Like at that point Starfleet was doing this poo poo to win, and I remember from my old beloved TNG tech manual that they had at least six spare Galaxy frames laying around which they just did not bother to finish building, probably as the writers leaving themselves room for a ship replacement plot or something.

So what I figured they did is they took those things, left out most of the advanced stuff, and loaded up extra power generators and poo poo in the empty spaces that normally hold Stellar Cartography and so on. The saucer section is much less of a liability if you replace the orphanariums with tertiary shield generators!

# ? Sep 8, 2016 21:05

Gonz: Dec 22, 2009; "Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

Via General Chat:

# ? Sep 8, 2016 21:09

Big Mean Jerk: Jan 27, 2009; Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Spock, son of Spook, grandson of Spank

# ? Sep 8, 2016 21:18

Delsaber: Oct 1, 2013; This may or may not be correct.

I loved Spxyx's concept albums.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 21:20

primaltrash: Feb 11, 2008; (Thought-ful Croak)

Tunicate posted:

Note that he refuses referrals from SA

Big Mean Jerk posted:

It's also written by an incredibly insufferable sperg who has a tantrum in almost every single Kelvin ship entry.

I said it was a good start, not that the writer is a particularly stable individual. :v:

# ? Sep 8, 2016 21:27

Blade_of_tyshalle: Jul 12, 2009; If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Mr. Spunk.

Or my favorite Megaman villain, Mr. Spark.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 21:31

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

My son is also named Spork

# ? Sep 8, 2016 21:47

Apollodorus: Feb 13, 2010; TEST YOUR MIGHT

Spork is on there twice.

I mean, I know a spork is useful to have around, but come on Bob.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 21:48

Cojawfee: May 31, 2006; I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

What the gently caress is Spxyx?

# ? Sep 8, 2016 22:07

Data Graham: Dec 28, 2009; 📈📊🍪😋

FlamingLiberal posted:

My son is also named Spork

That's Spokk to you

# ? Sep 8, 2016 22:12

Evek: Apr 26, 2002; "It's okay. I wouldn't remember me either."

Really not sure if Justman is trolling Gene or being sincere.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 22:14

Blade_of_tyshalle: Jul 12, 2009; If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Evek posted:

Really not sure if Justman is trolling Gene or being sincere.

Both. Go through that list and say them aloud. A good third of them are audibly the same.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 22:27

Data Graham: Dec 28, 2009; 📈📊🍪😋

I know that I had heard of this "rule" as far back as the 80s when a schoolyard buddy told me about it. He also told me that all female Vulcan names started with T'

Which I think they more or less still hold to, don't they?

# ? Sep 8, 2016 22:33

Big Mean Jerk: Jan 27, 2009; Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

I could have sworn there was an ambassador whose name started with M. M'rel or something like that?

# ? Sep 8, 2016 22:41

Blade_of_tyshalle: Jul 12, 2009; If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

T'pau, T'pol... Saavik? Valeris?

# ? Sep 8, 2016 22:41

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# ? May 11, 2024 21:44

Data Graham: Dec 28, 2009; 📈📊🍪😋

Saavik being an example of the variation on the rule (which I think I also heard) that said all Vulcan names (regardless of sex) should start with S and end with K (which also gives us Sybok).

I feel like there has been one hell of a game of telephone between all the various creative teams over the decades.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 22:43

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