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Hollismason posted:Jude Law is six feet tall. He's Hollywood 6 feet tall.
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ImpAtom posted:"Johns also says that Justice League won’t have any of Snyder’s “controversial flourishes,” I'm assuming, by "controversial flourishes," he's referring to things like Batman gunning people down, Superman snapping a neck, Jimmy Olsen getting double-tapped. Not "the composition was kinda memorable and neat in this shot."
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Sep 9, 2016 03:38
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I still find it hilarious that Batman shot a guy's flamethrower tank, causing it to explode, and drove the Batmobile over two other guys in the same movie. "Controversial flourishes." 
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Sep 9, 2016 04:16
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BrianWilly posted:...Because "interesting failure" isn't exactly a rep you wanna build for your studio franchise films? Because by now they've realized that Zack Snyder is not a good fit for these films and don't wanna go through the clusterfuck of firing him and getting a whole new director months into production? "We're not willing to fire this director but we don't want to let him actually direct" is not a good sign.
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BrianWilly posted:
I don't know why you'd assume that, considering the editing fiasco that was Suicide Squad. From all scuttlebutt they made a totally different movie in the editing bay than what arrived.
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Sep 9, 2016 04:23
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I still find it hilarious that Batman shot a guy's flamethrower tank, causing it to explode, and drove the Batmobile over two other guys in the same movie. Snyder was just taking Batman back to his cinematic roots.
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Sep 9, 2016 04:26
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Jimmy Olsen was super dumb, but I think it'd be kinda fun in a weird way if he kept showing up, none the worse for the wear, with different jobs in different movies. Mainly I want to see him playing a giant turtle monster in a b-movie at some point.
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Sep 9, 2016 04:27
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ImpAtom posted:"We're not willing to fire this director but we don't want to let him actually direct" is not a good sign.  Toxxupation posted:I don't know why you'd assume that, considering the editing fiasco that was Suicide Squad. From all scuttlebutt they made a totally different movie in the editing bay than what arrived. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Sep 9, 2016 |
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Sep 9, 2016 05:28
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ImpAtom posted:"We're not willing to fire this director but we don't want to let him actually direct" is not a good sign. Maybe he's bad at directing but really good at keeping the cast looking ripped by running a paleo craft services table.
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Sep 9, 2016 06:02
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Snyder can direct. Just reign in his scripts. The cinematography was the best part.
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Sep 9, 2016 06:53
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Rhyno posted:He's Hollywood 6 feet tall. I just realized you're the reason that Miracleman was delayed. Every book you like ends!!! Snyder is a good director and his films actually have a lot of nuance and subtly to them. Almost every frame and shot in BvS is basically " Here is a comic book panel come to life". He very obviously is a visual director similar to Michael Bay. His movies though are operatic and some people really don't like that at all. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Sep 9, 2016 |
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Sep 9, 2016 07:39
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Not all comic panels are created equal, friend. A gloriously-constructed splash page of Batman acting like a dumbass is still a splash page of Batman acting like a dumbass. And speaking as someone who has studied and literally been in various opera productions: there's a reason the masses aren't climbing over themselves to score seats. It's not accessible. It's not relatable beyond academic interest. And even then there's a wide range of quality and craftsmanship involved, depending on direction and production and acting and delivery, so shows are hardly above reproach by sole merit of being opera. No matter how much you may love the shows, the shortcomings of the medium are easy to see.
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Sep 9, 2016 09:34
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to be fair, opera, like cinema, was made for literal peasant people
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Yeah, but rich people got into it and it became "classic". So look forward to Michael Bay being the next Shakespeare in a couple of centuries.
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Sep 9, 2016 10:11
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Four Score posted:to be fair, opera, like cinema, was made for literal peasant people
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Sep 9, 2016 10:55
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Hollismason posted:I just realized you're the reason that Miracleman was delayed. Every book you like ends!!! He has exceptional visual style and his ability to stage an action sequence is incredibly good, but he seems utterly incapable. or perhaps unwilling, to marshal these talents in order to serve the story he is telling. So, when given a good script he can just about scrape through something interesting, but when given a script as monstrously awful as the one for Batman v Superman, and then having it cut to pieces in editing on top of that, the end result is an utter disaster. Hence why DC is on the "We're sorry, the next one will be real different" train. Let's hope they don't crash into a loving canyon.
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Peasants make up the loving world, though. gently caress that noise. We're all basically peasants. Most of the best stuff is made by or for peasants. The 'lords' are disconnected shitheads completely dependent on us 'peasants' for labor and to buy their lovely products. They better goddamn make their products for peasants, we're the ones actually running the place. And I don't know what loving comic panels yall are reading because when I read a Superman comic there's a lot of bright colors, square jaws, determined clenched teeth, etc. When I watch a Snyder movie I see desaturated blues and greys, angry glares, superheroes bellowing belligerently at each other, etc. with everything seeped in darkness and driving rain. He's not good at this. Or he is, but he's a horrible fit for anything but a gritty deconstruction, and making the core storyline of the Superman and Batman universe a gritty deconstruction is a horrible direction to go in.
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Sep 9, 2016 13:51
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It's not even a good deconstruction though, it's not saying anything interesting about the genre
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MrAristocrates posted:It's not even a good deconstruction though, it's not saying anything interesting about the genre All it's saying is "actually, in the real world these characters might be lovely and selfish". It's a deeply cynical look at heroism, as well as an empty and inaccurate one.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:19
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That wasn't what I took away from MoS or BvS at all. 
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It's just so boring because Nolan's Batman trilogy was all about "If Batman was real, it would suck complete rear end" and I had hoped we were moving away from that, but we're not. MoS and BvS come along to say "No, seriously, realistic superheroes is the worst thing!" I know! I know superheroes aren't real and if they were they would be impractical! It's almost condescending at best and totally pretentious at worst. Ooh look at Clark go into cross pose as he descends from space; wouldn't SuperMessiah have the toughest time being a hero? Yes Snyder. Do you have anything else to add? No? Well poo poo. I mean there's been a clear response from fans. Everyone got their full dose of deconstruction in the 90's. Now whenever someone even hints at what looks like reconstruction, there's fanfare. Look at how much goodwill Rebirth has built. A lot of people bought into simply because Johns said "We're gonna try happy and see how that goes." Why can't the movies at least give it a taste?
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Sep 9, 2016 20:52
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I would argue because superhero movies come dangerously come to promoting some extremely awful stuff. At their very basic concept Superheroes are "the police have failed and are utterly incapable of succeeding, the only way for society to continue is for the powerful and rich to take power into their own hands as officers above the law. " If you look at that even a bit closely it's pretty messed up. There is a reason even the Marvel films are moving towards "maybe this poo poo is hosed up" between Iron Man 3, Civil War and the various Netflix shows that are largely about how hosed up things are. This doesn't mean it is obligated, of course, but rather that it's very easy to move in that direction because either you have to carefully construct your story to avoid even hinting at that or else you have to create stories that are extremely outlandish and not connected to real issues so bluntly. Or just be willing to deal with criticism of what your film is saying even if you didn't intend it that way but comic book movies of all types are notoriously thin-skinned about criticism.
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Sep 9, 2016 21:08
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I don't know, I think superheroes don't necessarily indict law enforcement if they have superhuman abilities that let them do things rescue services and law enforcement couldn't dream of, like punching meteors or web-swinging out of a burning building. Batman though, he's definitely a "gently caress the system" character.
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Sep 9, 2016 21:16
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60s Batman was an official deputy and had the key to the city. 60s Batman was the best.
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Lurdiak posted:I don't know, I think superheroes don't necessarily indict law enforcement if they have superhuman abilities that let them do things rescue services and law enforcement couldn't dream of, like punching meteors or web-swinging out of a burning building. Well, that is what I mean by "extremely outlandish." (Though I suppose the burning building example isn't that, so fair point there.) Something where it ins't "society is so hosed we need this" but 'this is a thing that happens and these guys can make it better."
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Sep 9, 2016 21:22
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On the flip side, I think superheroes can offer plenty of great, positive lessons about responsibility (Spider-Man), accepting other people (X-Men, Doom Patrol), family and friendship (basically any team), standing up for what's right (Captain America, Superman), and so on. While Punisher and Batman can be very easily turned into reactionary idols, I think they can also serve as great cautionary tales about revenge, being too focused on a goal, and all that kind of stuff if somebody wants to write a really serious story about those characters.
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Anyway, people shouldn't trust the police, so I don't mind superhero stories that portray them as corrupt and inept as they are in real life.
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I've heard we should gently caress the police, which if you ask me, loving is the ultimate expression of trust and love.
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Lurdiak posted:Anyway, people shouldn't trust the police, so I don't mind superhero stories that portray them as corrupt and inept as they are in real life. "We shouldn't trust the police, instead we should trust the rich billionaires who spend tons of money on creating their own military hardware to police us themselves" is, uh, not exactly a great lesson.
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ImpAtom posted:"We shouldn't trust the police, instead we should trust the rich billionaires who spend tons of money on creating their own military hardware to police us themselves" is, uh, not exactly a great lesson. Yeah well nobody can bribe the billionaire, now can they? Unless they're a trillionaire I guess.
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Except the implication that the only way "superheroes in the real world" is honest is if they're bloodthirsty sociopathic sadsacks is just as if not more disingenuous than the alternative. "Realism" and "optimism" are not mutually exclusive ideals; the early reviews for Luke Cage imply that it's an honest story about the real-world problems minority figures/minority areas encounter while also making the titular character into a sympathetic and genuinely beatific person to idolize. Snyder/Goyer's inherent cynicism shielded as "realism" is just as dishonest as IM1's weird Objectivism and backhanded lesson on how great American Exceptionalism is. At least in the latter case I can ignore its genuinely troubling politics and watch a great action movie, MoS and BvS are bad grey boring films that ceaselessly prattle on how much Superman Actually Sucks And Does Nothing like that's some really insightful poo poo.
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ImpAtom posted:"We shouldn't trust the police, instead we should trust the rich billionaires who spend tons of money on creating their own military hardware to police us themselves" is, uh, not exactly a great lesson. The police already work for billionaires who make all the laws.
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ImpAtom posted:"We shouldn't trust the police, instead we should trust the rich billionaires who spend tons of money on creating their own military hardware to police us themselves" is, uh, not exactly a great lesson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsbVnrOkcr8
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Sep 9, 2016 22:41
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The Police enforce and work for as protectors of the wealthy. Bruce Wayne basically owns the police so he can as a wealthy person skip the hired middle man and more efficiently deal with crime.
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Toxxupation posted:Except the implication that the only way "superheroes in the real world" is honest is if they're bloodthirsty sociopathic sadsacks is just as if not more disingenuous than the alternative. "Realism" and "optimism" are not mutually exclusive ideals; the early reviews for Luke Cage imply that it's an honest story about the real-world problems minority figures/minority areas encounter while also making the titular character into a sympathetic and genuinely beatific person to idolize. Snyder/Goyer's inherent cynicism shielded as "realism" is just as dishonest as IM1's weird Objectivism and backhanded lesson on how great American Exceptionalism is. At least in the latter case I can ignore its genuinely troubling politics and watch a great action movie, MoS and BvS are bad grey boring films that ceaselessly prattle on how much Superman Actually Sucks And Does Nothing like that's some really insightful poo poo. Iron Man 1 isn't a very a good action movie.
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Is anyone here excited for Doctor Strange? The more I've seen of the movie the more I want to see it. It looks much different than the standard Marvel fare.
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Sep 10, 2016 00:19
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I'm excited for Doctor Strange, not excited for fake Asian Tilda but everything else looks sweet. That said, the second I saw Rachel McAdams in the trailer I thought THAT'S what's gonna make it bog-standard Marvel fare: the obligatory girlfriend character, who is, 99% of the time, both unnecessary and terrible. No more Janes, Marvel. I just can't with the Janes.
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Toxxupation posted:Except the implication that the only way "superheroes in the real world" is honest is if they're bloodthirsty sociopathic sadsacks is just as if not more disingenuous than the alternative. "Realism" and "optimism" are not mutually exclusive ideals; the early reviews for Luke Cage imply that it's an honest story about the real-world problems minority figures/minority areas encounter while also making the titular character into a sympathetic and genuinely beatific person to idolize. Snyder/Goyer's inherent cynicism shielded as "realism" is just as dishonest as IM1's weird Objectivism and backhanded lesson on how great American Exceptionalism is. At least in the latter case I can ignore its genuinely troubling politics and watch a great action movie, MoS and BvS are bad grey boring films that ceaselessly prattle on how much Superman Actually Sucks And Does Nothing like that's some really insightful poo poo. You get me.
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"The internet is being hacked!" "Which parts?" "All of it." That dude is perfectly cast, though.
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Jonny_Rocket posted:Is anyone here excited for Doctor Strange? The more I've seen of the movie the more I want to see it. It looks much different than the standard Marvel fare. I'm excited for every marvel movie.
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