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Terrible Robot posted:64 days 22 hours 19 minutes I’d say that it’s surprising that no one has surpassed it in a jet, but the limits are already as human as they are mechanical. Also, jets are expensive.
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Enourmo posted:Actually that reminds me, why the gently caress did we skip all the F-designations between 22 and 35? I realize the joint strike fighter prototypes were the X-32 and X-35, but why when it was chosen as the contest winner wasn't it re-designated F-24 or whatever? Marketing, essentially. A couple weekends ago I got to see one of the YF-23 prototypes at the Western Museum of Flight, at the Torrance airport. It looks like some kind of alien sea creature, barely like a plane at all. Also, it's so smooth it gives you this weird feeling that you're looking at a painted plywood model instead of a real airplane. No panel lines or rivets or anything. Sadly, it's behind a fence and the museum guys said that I couldn't go to look at it without a prior arrangement because it's at the end of an active runway. I'm going to go back someday when I can touch it, though, because it's my favorite jet of all time. It's pretty bizarre to see a cutting-edge stealth fighter prototype just sitting there at the edge of a one-strip field in suburban LA, across from an Acura dealership:  https://www.google.com/maps/@33.795022,-118.3303016,3a,75y,291.22h,87.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTh-SoY-huMKXsbhAs1ZFqQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (the not-quite-right F/A-18 is actually the YF-17 prototype that lost out to the F-16. Northrop just can't catch a break)
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Platystemon posted:I’d say that it’s surprising that no one has surpassed it in a jet, but the limits are already as human as they are mechanical. I don't think anyone's had reason to try. Military and commercial aircraft fly for distance, not time, and the Cessna set such an absurd time record that no one would challenge it. The FAI retired its record in the category due to safety concerns. 70 days in the air is an extremely risky endeavour. On the distance front, you've got Globalflyer and Voyager for the round-the-world non-refuelled record, and B-52s were doing refuelled round-the-world flights before that Cessna took off.
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Enourmo posted:Actually that reminds me, why the gently caress did we skip all the F-designations between 22 and 35? I realize the joint strike fighter prototypes were the X-32 and X-35, but why when it was chosen as the contest winner wasn't it re-designated F-24 or whatever? Because F-24 sounds dumb. Tide posted:The only solution is to start production of an updated YF 23 Yes. Please.  Revisiting this always reminds me of how big and awkward the original vertical stabs were on the proto-Raptors.
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Suicide Watch posted:https://www.wired.com/2016/09/air-force-stash-f-22s-us-nasa-yeah-sure-got-room/ The Wired article acts like this was an unusual request, but Langley Air Force Base has been rolling aircraft into the NASA Langley hanger for years when a big storm / hurricane is going to hit. May as well, the hanger is huge and usually just houses a handful of GA aircraft and sometimes an OV-10 or two. Years back, NASA decided to move the bulk of its flight research aircraft to Dryden (now Armstrong), which I think was a huge mistake; there's a huge, but hard to quantify, benefit for researchers to be able to crawl around the aircraft they're studying and meet face-to-face with the pilots and maintenance and operations personnel on the regular. The newest generation of aeronautical research engineers has never been in and around these aircraft, so they don't really know how they're used and what they can do. 
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Sep 9, 2016 06:37
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My tiny hometown gets a mention in the Washington Post.
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Sagebrush posted:
Is that like, really the real prototype? It looks kinda fake, but maybe it's because the cockpit has this fiberglass-looking thing going on. Makes it look like a mockup (and as you mentioned, it looks super smooth)
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I never realized the YF 23 was that big. It makes the Tomcat next to it look athletic. Still a bad rear end jet, thou
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Inacio posted:Is that like, really the real prototype? It looks kinda fake, but maybe it's because the cockpit has this fiberglass-looking thing going on. Makes it look like a mockup (and as you mentioned, it looks super smooth) It's covered with something that blocks sunlight to preserve the cockpit materials. e: could also be an opaque canopy replacement which can UV degrade without consequence.
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Tide posted:Tomcat One thing as a kid before being an A-tech that tormented me was which plane I loved most. The F-14 Tomcat or A10 Thunderbolt (who's kidding - its always BRRRRRT or Warthog).     EDIT: Then I joined the Australian Army and had neither and sat working on Blackhawks and Chinooks. Humphreys fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Sep 9, 2016 |
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Tide posted:I never realized the YF 23 was that big. It makes the Tomcat next to it look athletic. There was a photo floating around somewhere with a F-22 flying alongside and almost dwarfing a Mitchell or Liberator. They are big planes
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 Landing a big plane on a dirt runway makes for kickass pictures. It also probably makes mx guys cry.
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Cat Mattress posted:It also probably makes mx guys cry. All the antennas on the bottom? Probably chewed up or gone. Our C-130s always came back from dirt runway tests missing major antennas.
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vessbot posted:The PO sends a written request for assignment of a new MDS to the DODCP. For U.S. Air Force POs this is done directly, while for the other DOD services (Navy/Marines, Army, Coast Guard) or the NASA, this is done via that service's DCP (Departmental Control Point), which handles and forwards all MDS requests for the respective service. The written request must include a reasonably detailed description of the program and the vehicle, so that DODCP can determine which new MDS (if any!) should be assigned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5oGtNFdSvw
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Alereon posted:The more you know about the cold war, air power, and nuclear deterrence the better this movie gets. It's truly a masterpiece. Also, "turgid" is a great word. This, and yet a bit more thread relevant: 
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Inacio posted:Is that like, really the real prototype? It looks kinda fake, but maybe it's because the cockpit has this fiberglass-looking thing going on. Makes it look like a mockup (and as you mentioned, it looks super smooth) It's the real thing. As mentioned, the polycarbonate canopy will turn yellow and crack over time in the sun, so they put some kind of protective covering over it. All of the airplanes at the Pima air museum in Tucson have something similar going on. As to the smoothness, it has the same kind of weird look as some of the Burt Rutan composite planes, where they look like toys. I don't know what the YF-23 is made of primarily, but like I said, no visible panel gaps or rivets anywhere.
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Sept 11 chat, I understand because there was such short notice to start taking on the Atlantic traffic, Gander basically enacted verbatim their Y2K contingency in case the ATC system took a big poo poo at the turn of the century and they needed to give homes to a bunch of ac. C/D?
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Sagebrush posted:It's the real thing. As mentioned, the polycarbonate canopy will turn yellow and crack over time in the sun, so they put some kind of protective covering over it. All of the airplanes at the Pima air museum in Tucson have something similar going on. Wow I never realized Pima had not 1, not 2, but 3 B-52s in their collection. Also two B-29 variants and a B-47. Also a B-36 and B-58. They could restart SAC.
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When you're right across the road from the Boneyard, it's probably pretty easy to get your hands on old jets.
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Suicide Watch posted:Wow I never realized Pima had not 1, not 2, but 3 B-52s in their collection. Also two B-29 variants and a B-47. Pima Air and Space is loving awesome. I need to get down there again now that my daughter is probably old enough to enjoy it on at least some level.
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Enourmo posted:I still think of the F-22 as this superhero lone wolf aircraft, it's weird seeing such a visceral reminder that yeah, the thing was mass-produced. Barely.
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Gibfender posted:There was a photo floating around somewhere with a F-22 flying alongside and almost dwarfing a Mitchell or Liberator. They are big planes One stat that always threw me off (and hopefully I'm remembering this right), is that an SU-27 is about the same length as a B-17. Modern fighters are big
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Cleanup http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5a5_1473045122 
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What the gently caress?
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Mr. Despair posted:One stat that always threw me off (and hopefully I'm remembering this right), is that an SU-27 is about the same length as a B-17.    I'd love to see one with a C-47 and a C-5.
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They did an F-22/F-35/P-51 heritage flight at the Cleveland air show this weekend, it gave a pretty good perspective on size difference. Not just between the P-51 and the other two, but even F-35 to F-22 is a pretty dramatic difference. The F-35 is actually a relatively small plane for a modern strike fighter.
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slidebite posted:Cleanup What the gently caress is that all about? There is literally feces just casually spread outside the toilet The passengers all seem pretty cool with it? What the gently caress indeed
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Wingnut Ninja posted:They did an F-22/F-35/P-51 heritage flight at the Cleveland air show this weekend, it gave a pretty good perspective on size difference. Not just between the P-51 and the other two, but even F-35 to F-22 is a pretty dramatic difference. The F-35 is actually a relatively small plane for a modern strike fighter. While I was there they also had a P-51 on the ground and that thing is loving tiny. When many of the ground displays are F-18s and other modern military fighters it's weird to see just how small WWII planes are in comparison. Best part of that air show was the F-22 demonstration though. Never seen someone drift a fighter jet before.
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fickle poofterist posted:What the gently caress is that all about? http://www.arabnews.com/node/981261/saudi-arabia Saudia putting the blame on the passengers who many were deportees.
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fickle poofterist posted:What the gently caress is that all about? Middle East 
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  My favorite anecdote is that after the B-36 entered service, the B-29 got reclassified as a medium bomber. 
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Saudi Arabia is a wonderful country.
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 Wingnut Ninja posted:The F-35 is actually a relatively small plane for a modern strike fighter. Dunno. Compare to an F-16 or a Mirage 2000D for other single-engined strike fighters. In fact if I make a quick and lazy chart using wikipedia figures for dimensions and mass, the F-35 fits closer to the twin-engine category.  Minto Took posted:http://www.arabnews.com/node/981261/saudi-arabia quote:Speaking to Arab News, a Saudi citizen, Muhammad Al-Saed, said, “If I were a passenger on the flight, I would have filed a complaint with Saudia as well as GACA (General Authority of Civil Aviation). I would also expect a compensation.” In this specific case, he should rather report to the Central, not the General, Authority.
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Where could you possibly live that being deported from Saudi Arabia would be a bad thing and not a cause for celebration? North Korea? If I ever happened to be on one of their planes, I'd piss and poo poo all over it just out of principle because that country is run by some of the worst bastards known to all of humanity.
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Knowing the Sauds, it's probably a deportation to a place where they will be actively targeted in an ongoing genocide.
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Is the Zero really that big? Seems massive compared to other WWII era stuff
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xthetenth posted:Knowing the Sauds, it's probably a deportation to a place where they will be actively targeted in an ongoing genocide. As opposed to the risk of being beheaded with a sword after Friday prayers because you claimed the earth revolves around the sun. 
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slothrop posted:Is the Zero really that big? Seems massive compared to other WWII era stuff No, it isn't. Lots of errors in that diagram.
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