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she definitely got nerfed because of competitive i think, although her win rate was pretty dang good. she was really dominant in competitive in the regions that bothered to learn her. like old viktor or ziggs level of wave clear with ridiculous roaming.
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She just did way too much damage for a mid with insane roaming capability and good wave clear.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:59
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Taric's heal would probably be less annoying to keep track of if they made it always heal for 3 charges worth, but would only heal for 1 charges worth if the hero has been healed by it within X seconds. Keeps the healspam limiter, but makes it easier to discern when your healing is going to be effective again.ImpAtom posted:Why did they nerf Taliyah anyway? It didn't seem like she was particularly oppressive. She wasn't a big laning problem, but they underestimated the damage her minefield -> knock combo would do. It's not the first time this has happened either; Ziggs got a number of tweaks to his mines due to them dealing absurd damage.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:59
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i think that saying taliyah wasnt a laning problem is the most incorrect possible thing you could say about her
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Sep 9, 2016 20:00
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ImpAtom posted:Why did they nerf Taliyah anyway? It didn't seem like she was particularly oppressive. She was artificially enabled to shove waves harder than anyone else in the game and has a really good roaming kit. That combination tend to be really good.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:00
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rabidsquid posted:i think that saying taliyah wasnt a laning problem is the most incorrect possible thing you could say about her I meant that it didn't feel say, oppressive to lane against her; she just pushed insanely fast and then ganked other lanes. She certainly had too much roaming mobility on top of the silly burst combo.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:27
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Chogod is the best champion in the game and I'm very upset someone has that name that doesn't play anymore
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Sep 9, 2016 20:46
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exethan posted:She had a 53 or 55 percent win rate and was nuts in comp play 
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Sep 9, 2016 21:18
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So I've been playing my usual Kayle top and just got completely wrecked by a top Kha'zix. Is he actually a strong pick now? Did I just pick into a bad matchup? Or did I just play that terribly?
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Sep 9, 2016 21:22
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so is taliyah a support now that her waveclear has been gutted
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Sep 9, 2016 21:30
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Hashtag Yoloswag posted:so is taliyah a support now that her waveclear has been gutted she's slated for a rework.
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Sep 9, 2016 21:36
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Taciturn Tactician posted:Twisted Fate being the most notable example, but I'm not sure that if you straight up lined up the cast of S1 or 2 champions with the cast of S6 champions the early ones would be the ones getting picked. i don't think it'd be ONLY S1/2 champs being picked, but if you lined up season 1 and season 6 annie, people would pick the one with the 2.5 second stun over the one with a slightly better E and slightly better ai on tibbers
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Sep 9, 2016 21:42
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the official yorick rework word from the former legend of top lane himself dyrus: top lane yorick: poo poo jungle yorick: good so far
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Sep 9, 2016 22:13
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Endorph posted:ccs were longer, base damage was higher, silences existed, attack speed was non-standardized, and there have generally been more nerfs than buffs over the course of the game ratios were way higher on everything too
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Sep 9, 2016 22:20
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exethan posted:ratios were way higher on everything too It was funny in beta when almost everything had a 1.0 AP ratio because they didn't know any better. Kassadin with two 1.0 AP ratio nukes and his ult with like .5 was loving scary.
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Sep 9, 2016 22:47
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although the best was when executioner's calling had 1.0 ap ratio PER TICK over 12 seconds before they hotfixed it.
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Aumanor posted:So I've been playing my usual Kayle top and just got completely wrecked by a top Kha'zix. Is he actually a strong pick now? Did I just pick into a bad matchup? Or did I just play that terribly? But I am bad.
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Endorph posted:Look at what happened with Sejuani and Cinderhulk. Sej was overpowered, they nerfed her into the ground, then realized the real problem was tank junglers in general so they nerfed that, then left Sejuani underpowered. Sejuani (and arguably Amumu) was the only viable tank jungler pre-Cinderhulk and had gotten buffs shortly before, then Cinderhulk made her an unkillable monster that had way too much damage and CC. Her subsequent nerfs followed by a small buff left her very playable and she's still the 4th highest winrate jungler in plat+ today. Neurolimal posted:I meant that it didn't feel say, oppressive to lane against her; she just pushed insanely fast and then ganked other lanes. She certainly had too much roaming mobility on top of the silly burst combo. As a champion with a 0 damage ult, Taliyah had way too much power on her non-ult damage skills and laning against a good Taliyah was an absolute nightmare. If you played against one who was good at landing the knockup you could die easily, and even without that she could just easily outpush you with Q. Also playing against a really hard pusher is basically the definition of oppressive, see e.g. pre-nerf Malzahar. Aumanor posted:So I've been playing my usual Kayle top and just got completely wrecked by a top Kha'zix. Is he actually a strong pick now? Did I just pick into a bad matchup? Or did I just play that terribly? Kayle into lane Kha'zix should be basically the definition of freelo.
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I haven't played since 2013 (season 3) and after looking at a guide, apparently graves is not an ADC anymore. Uhh, kinda overwhelmed and not sure where the correct resources are for relearning the meta and game. Any particular tips or guides for getting up to speed? Edit: Is Shaco, TF and Warick any good still? poe meater fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Sep 10, 2016 |
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Endorph posted:That's how riot balancing works. If something is a problem, they nerf a bunch of the symptoms, realize it isn't fixing anything, nerf the root cause, then don't revert anything. 'When sej was absurdly broken she felt fun to play and now that she's merely top 5 I really feel like she's super underpowered because I don't win as much'
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NTT posted:'When sej was absurdly broken she felt fun to play and now that she's merely top 5 I really feel like she's super underpowered because I don't win as much' Except she's slowly gained back ground after the original nerfs. After Cinderhulk got dumpstered she was sitting at something like a 46% winrate iirc
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she was left under powered, merely the fifth best jungler at winning the game
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They think that they should have reverted Kog because he was an unsuccessful update but what tf about Mordekaiser who used to be a fun niche before but is now un-balabcable because he relies on being over-powered to compensate for being an "ADC Juggernaut"
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Morde-who?
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mordekaiser has 50%+ win rates in both top and jungle, which suggests to me that perhaps he is not unbalanceable
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ah yes, jungle winrates. the most valuable number out of context. well, here's your worlds jungle meta
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oh are we doing this? then i guess vlad is busted but too lazy to post his 46% win rate in solo queue. are you actually this stupid
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not complaining if that actually happened. Insec's fiddle game was the coolest poo poo
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annie is actually bad because she wont be played at worlds. we need to do something about this, we need to redesign her
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Space Flower posted:ah yes, jungle winrates. the most valuable number out of context. well, here's your worlds jungle meta It's funny because whenever any pro player busts something weird off this list they almost always win.
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The most shocking thing about that list is that this might be the first time that solo queue all star Amumu isn't in the top 5.
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Crazy Larry posted:The most shocking thing about that list is that this might be the first time that solo queue all star Amumu isn't in the top 5. both kayle and aurelion sol are sub 1% play rate and if you discount them then he's exactly 5th
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I miss OG Graves. I think i'm gonn miss new Kog tho. His jungle om hit build is so dumb.
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NTT posted:'When sej was absurdly broken she felt fun to play and now that she's merely top 5 I really feel like she's super underpowered because I don't win as much'
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rabidsquid posted:mordekaiser has 50%+ win rates in both top and jungle, which suggests to me that perhaps he is not unbalanceable I don't think he needs to be completely reworked but I think they need to admit that adc morde was a dumb idea, remove the bonus experience thing off his W, and extensively retool the dragon gimmick. He can still TP to dragon fights from top lane and as a jungler he should be there anyway, so i don't think it's impossible to work with his preferred lanes, but it's still a little off.
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rabidsquid posted:mordekaiser has 50%+ win rates in both top and jungle, which suggests to me that perhaps he is not unbalanceable
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I think Morde's top winrate is hugely contingent on people not realizing the third bonk does a bajillion damage and this snowballs into a pretty decent splitpusher.
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Morde has an absurdly high power budget mitigated by having to get around on pizza feet. I think he might be artificially good last patch cycle because he can go toe to toe with fmallet tops using rylais
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Space Flower posted:ah yes, jungle winrates. the most valuable number out of context. well, here's your worlds jungle meta The Worlds jungle meta could actually be pretty weird and involve e.g. Skarner (he was played in the LCK Gauntlet finals). After the Rek'Sai/Gragas changes Nidalee and Elise are probably the two clear top-tier junglers (though Rek'Sai should stay in the meta), and if they start drawing bans a lot of stuff is suddenly on the table -- Kindred, Hecarim, Zac, Lee Sin, Graves, Sejuani.
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mordekaiser does ridiculous damage if you don't put him down early
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