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Agronox posted:For a derail this is still very interesting. I'm running a loving pen and paper scify game with some nerds and a lot of the plot is around this as they own a salvage and repair ship. Contract law and salvage law comes up a lot. Also running a hard scify rpg is hard as hell.
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Captain Fargle posted:Not bros. The relationship between them is more of a tense rivalry rather than the outright cold war that the show depicts. Think of it more like a modern day America and China. Yeah plus the UN government is butthurt on how Martian had a successful revolution and similar to the Cold War both superpowers have big ideological differences. UN is basically Sci Fi Bernie Sanders worldwide socialist government while the Martians are smug space communists being driven by the dream of terraforming Mars.
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Sep 10, 2016 00:01
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Phanatic posted:There is, but the only relevance that has for salvage is if you're a crew on the vessel in the first place. If your ship breaks and you abandon it without permission, then *you* can't benefit from salvaging the ship and cargo that you abandoned. If the ship's master gives an abandon ship order, then you subsequently can get paid if you salvage it. ok so I feel the relevant fact here is going into an abandoned space station, does the interior of a space station continue to fall under maritime law? Or does it count as "land" under the jurisdiction of whatever sovereign entity that owns it? If so, then you can keep the cargo container in question after following any relevant procedure of the jurisdiction the abandoned property falls in.
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Sep 10, 2016 00:09
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Baronjutter posted:I'm running a loving pen and paper scify game with some nerds and a lot of the plot is around this as they own a salvage and repair ship. Contract law and salvage law comes up a lot. Traveller or what? Also Post v. Jones (60 U.S. 150) has much relevance in the world of the joining of Contract and Salvage law
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Sep 10, 2016 00:11
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And I'm arguing from a Watsonian perspective here, so based on ALex's statement of "its legitimate salvage" and from the amount of activity in space in The Expanse we can assume there is a good body of common law based around space operations or a treaty may have just established space as maritime law
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Sep 10, 2016 00:15
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Phi230 posted:ok so I feel the relevant fact here is going into an abandoned space station, Right now, today? No. It falls under the Outer Space Treaty and that space station is the property of whatever country's registry it was on when it was launched and you can't do poo poo to it without that country's permission. If it fell under maritime law, and you recovered it after some risk to yourself you'd be entitled to a reward. You wouldn't be entitled to the space station.
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I imagine most current space law was/will be totally ignored, torn up and re-written by the powers that be the moment it becomes practical to actually do any of this stuff in space.
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Sep 10, 2016 00:53
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Phanatic posted:Right now, today? No. It falls under the Outer Space Treaty and that space station is the property of whatever country's registry it was on when it was launched and you can't do poo poo to it without that country's permission. I'm talking cargo essentially converted from the space station. And yeah, from a Watsonian perspective, there is an assumption the law has changed as of The Expanse I feel that if the owner of the space station was impossible to find, IE the station was "mislaid" then I feel you could enforce a claim of title until the true owner revealed himself
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Sep 10, 2016 01:38
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Phi230 posted:And yeah, from a Watsonian perspective, there is an assumption the law has changed as of The Expanse I mean you’ll notice Earth has a single planetary government in the form of the United Nations. That’s quite the political shake‐up.
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Sep 10, 2016 01:42
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Strategic Tea posted:I imagine most current space law was/will be totally ignored, torn up and re-written by the powers that be the moment it becomes practical to actually do any of this stuff in space. It will have to go through a couple rounds of "Hey, this guy has the bigger gun" before it really get all hashed out.
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Sep 10, 2016 02:39
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So does this mean that all the maritime law stuff Matt Damon was talking about in The Martian is bullshit? That's a shame.
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Sep 10, 2016 13:36
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:So does this mean that all the maritime law stuff Matt Damon was talking about in The Martian is bullshit? That's a shame. They’re fictional universes, so not really.
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Sep 10, 2016 13:50
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Oh hey people saying nice things about space lawyers ITT. Strategic Tea posted:I imagine most current space law was/will be totally ignored, torn up and re-written by the powers that be the moment it becomes practical to actually do any of this stuff in space. It's already a real thing that gets argued; one of my clients is an in house lawyer for a satellite company and in addition to regular commercial contracts and dealing with regulators, the OST is absolutely something she deals with on a regular basis. Can't have your birds drifting into a slot that belongs to another country (that doesn't own any satellites and never will)!
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Sep 10, 2016 15:24
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Beefeater1980 posted:Oh hey people saying nice things about space lawyers ITT. Space, the final bureaucratic frontier
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Sep 10, 2016 15:45
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FTL bureaucracy. You complete the form before you receive it and then get rejected because section F2 un-completed itself.
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Sep 10, 2016 18:52
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People keep coming back in time and erroneously filing my taxes.
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Sep 10, 2016 18:55
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Strategic Tea posted:FTL bureaucracy. You complete the form before you receive it and then get rejected because section F2 un-completed itself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu9xa1d8vmU&t=7s
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Sep 10, 2016 19:04
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Just read most of the books and if half of the poo poo in there makes onto the screen I'll be impressed. poo poo is going to get real, fast.
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Sep 13, 2016 21:35
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Grognan posted:Just read most of the books and if half of the poo poo in there makes onto the screen I'll be impressed. poo poo is going to get real, fast. They'll probably do it with the money saved by filming Cibola Burn. Isn't a lot of set building that needs to go into that one.
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Sep 15, 2016 04:58
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[vague book four stuff]Captain Fargle posted:They'll probably do it with the money saved by filming Cibola Burn. Isn't a lot of set building that needs to go into that one. Yeah, I imagine the per-episode spending on sets and effects will be pretty lopsided. I have a strong suspicion that they'll skip the zero-g effects for the ships in orbit. So far most of the action has been on rotating stations or on ships under thrust. Zero-g in every episode might cost more time and money than they're willing to spend.
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Toast Museum posted:[vague book four stuff] Yeah if anything is worth skimping on it is that. It's just so loving expensive.
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Sep 15, 2016 07:21
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How expensive is it to film the zero g stuff anyway? The zero g where it's on wires at least. Not the underwater stuff they did with Florence Faivre for the intro.
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Sep 15, 2016 12:29
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Captain Fargle posted:How expensive is it to film the zero g stuff anyway? The zero g where it's on wires at least. Not the underwater stuff they did with Florence Faivre for the intro. The more realistic you want it to look (which has been a signature of this series so far*), the more expensive it's going to be. Even the slightest mistake can gently caress up a shot that no amount of post can fix. * While everyone "oohs" and "aahs" over the Coriolis Effect of pouring liquids in a low gravity spinning environment, the most impressive effect for me was the practical demonstration of Newtonian Physics when Holden and Naomi were crossing the catwalk in the Donanger during the firefight.
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Sep 15, 2016 12:50
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That catwalk scene was great. I assume they'll keep doing it now and then but now that everyone understands that a ship under thrust has gravity they'll use that most of the time. There's always the magnetic boots trick too.
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Sep 15, 2016 13:09
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I imagine they’ll use zero‐g effects for the bitchin’ space battle in Cibola Burn, but not for the boring bits.
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Sep 15, 2016 13:38
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Ok, I've moved it to the book thread. Cibola Burn is still good, with some ropey patches.
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Sep 15, 2016 19:25
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The tunneling horror? I hate that guy. Always with the tunneling. Anyway, I'm dead.
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Collateral posted:
If I recall correctly, for the foreseeable future of the story, they have to use daily anti-rad injections. In reality getting hit with a dose of high radiation is certainly fatal, but if there were some new nano-bot injection that could repair cellular damage, the minute highly active isotopes that would result from an ambient dose should rapidly go through half lives and clear out. Quite different from a Chernobyl type exposure with fallout materials in the environment entering the body. It's likely the tv show will tighten up the tedium of daily anti-rad treatments to be done within the season arc.
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Sep 15, 2016 19:43
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Not that investigator. The are book spoilers in this thread.
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Reminder that we have a thread for talking about book stuff now! https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3787256
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The wait for this is brutal, I didn't even catch season 1 until it had been off for awhile and it still feels like an eternity, Game of Thrones in space indeed.
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https://twitter.com/shankbeezy/status/782741452329627648
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Oct 3, 2016 03:40
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So, the show comes back this month right? 
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Oct 3, 2016 20:52
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Deakul posted:So, the show comes back this month right? January 10th. http://followshows.com/ lets you add all your favorite shows and tells you when new episodes come out.
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Oct 3, 2016 21:45
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Deakul posted:So, the show comes back this month right? If you haven't yet, read the books. For the most part they are really good and well worth the time. It's definitely helped my withdrawal and the newest volume is coming out this December.
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Cojawfee posted:January 10th. http://followshows.com/ lets you add all your favorite shows and tells you when new episodes come out. I'm going to cry. GATOS Y VATOS posted:If you haven't yet, read the books. For the most part they are really good and well worth the time. It's definitely helped my withdrawal and the newest volume is coming out this December. I'd love to get into the books but I just have no time or patience to get into any these days. 
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Deakul posted:I'm going to cry. I'd suggest getting the first one and putting it on your nightstand for reading before you sleep, seriously. They are actually quick reads and easy enough to hop back into if you leave it alone for a while. It's neat to see the differences between them and the shows.
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:I'd suggest getting the first one and putting it on your nightstand for reading before you sleep, seriously. They are actually quick reads and easy enough to hop back into if you leave it alone for a while. It's neat to see the differences between them and the shows. I'll try to give it a shot, I'm fiending hard.
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Oct 3, 2016 22:36
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Yeah they're easy pov section page turners, so it's not like you have to gear up for it every time you want to read some.
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Alternately, the audiobooks are good. Well, except for book four, which has a different narrator and is pretty terrible.
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