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It just had a quotation mark at the end of the link: http://www.avclub.com/article/morgan-spurlock-making-doc-about-oregon-patriot-mo-242377
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Protestor report: no one new today, just Mr. Zion again. No pamphlets this time, just some cardboard sign - he looks like he's asking for spare change
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ansel autisms posted:Protestor report: no one new today, just Mr. Zion again. No pamphlets this time, just some cardboard sign - he looks like he's asking for spare change Well don't just stand there posting on your phone (Im assuming) Give the man a quarter.
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I've been discussing research and Tibetan Buddhism all day. What's the Bundy news?
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MariusLecter posted:Well don't just stand there posting on your phone (Im assuming) Give the man a quarter. Do this, and if he accepts it then chuckle and say, as though to yourself, "Joinder achieved." 
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^ Then immediately run home and scrub your brain with bleach, because ew.Mors Rattus posted:Re: cops, my guess is that if you are in fact under arrest, you want to invoke asap, but if you aren't it becomes more of a judgment call, and one that probably deserves rather more education on the matter than I've got. But still, cops do serve a needed purpose, just, there's a ton of assholes. Of that ton of assholes I wonder how many are legit assholes and how many are pushed at that particular time to be assholes. I've worked jobs in customer service, and if the people cops are dealing with are even half as bad as the ones I had, I can understand why they're pissed off and are assholes to people. That's what I try to keep in mind when I see them anyways, they're dealing with the same idiots I used to
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Do this, and if he accepts it then chuckle and say, as though to yourself, "Joinder achieved." This is a funny idea but loving with this guy wouldn't achieve anything. He's too far gone.
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What drives me nuts about these guys is, I mean, let's pretend for a second they're 100% correct; their reading of the Constitution is bang on, they've interpreted the will of the founders PERFECTLY, George Washington came to the Bundys in a dream, future generations are going to put them on Rushmore. Why the gently caress do they think anyone else cares, or is going to go along with it? What legal mechanism is going to require a judge to recognize reverse dilatory joinder to your incorporate personhood boat or whatever the gently caress?
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WrenP-Complete posted:I've been discussing research and Tibetan Buddhism all day. What's the Bundy news? Not much, just jury selection. The facebook evidence issue looks like it will be decided shortly- it's one of the biggest problems in the government's case. An important twitter essay from MacNab: https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/774324617829683200 https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/774325941296177152 https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/774327378998734848 https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/774328691912421376 https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/774331393660772353 https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/774336497617035266 Discendo Vox has issued a correction as of 23:58 on Sep 9, 2016 |
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Elephant Ambush posted:This is a funny idea but loving with this guy wouldn't achieve anything. He's too far gone. Well it might achieve you a fun new stalker staring through your window at 2 AM
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JJ MacNab posted:In the months leading up to the Refuge takeover, the ringleaders (Payne, Ritzheimer, Hunt) considered three causes: well poo poo, at least they picked the one that didn't involve harassing refugees or children 
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Lutha Mahtin posted:well poo poo, at least they picked the one that didn't involve harassing refugees or children They still did the CPS case one as a sideline. Remember when they "liberated" some kids?
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Discendo Vox posted:They still did the CPS case one as a sideline. Remember when they "liberated" some kids? Aren't you thinking of Boko Haraam?
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Lutha Mahtin posted:Aren't you thinking of Boko Haraam? Wasn't it Blaine Cooper mixed up in some sort of "raid" to "liberate" some kids (possibly his own) that CPS had entirely justifiably taken away?
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Wasn't it Blaine Cooper mixed up in some sort of "raid" to "liberate" some kids (possibly his own) that CPS had entirely justifiably taken away? eyup. Though I think this article's off on the details.
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Discendo Vox posted:eyup. Though I think this article's off on the details. quote:Blaine Cooper playing dress up This is the most adorable thing.
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quote:After one week of jury selection, the trial for seven defendants charged in the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge begins. In this episode of “This Land Is Our Land,” OPB looks back at the first week before opening arguments begin. https://soundcloud.com/thislandisourland/ep-4-the-trial-begins
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vseslav.botkin posted:What drives me nuts about these guys is, I mean, let's pretend for a second they're 100% correct; their reading of the Constitution is bang on, they've interpreted the will of the founders PERFECTLY, George Washington came to the Bundys in a dream, future generations are going to put them on Rushmore. They think it will get them free land, for one. For two they think that government is inherently bad so if they say the right magic words at it then it will vanish, taxing their tax bills with it, which will then let them get super duper rich and buy a ton of land. It's really just profound selfishness in the end.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:They think it will get them free land, for one. For two they think that government is inherently bad so if they say the right magic words at it then it will vanish, taxing their tax bills with it, which will then let them get super duper rich and buy a ton of land. It's really just profound selfishness in the end. Don't forget laziness. Absurd and profound laziness.
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WrenP-Complete posted:I've been discussing research and Tibetan Buddhism all day. What's the Bundy news? If you meet LaVoy Finnicum on the road, kill him.
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vseslav.botkin posted:What drives me nuts about these guys is, I mean, let's pretend for a second they're 100% correct; their reading of the Constitution is bang on, they've interpreted the will of the founders PERFECTLY, George Washington came to the Bundys in a dream, future generations are going to put them on Rushmore. Basically think of it as summoning a demon. If you do it properly, with all the right words, and the right preparations, then you get a powerful demon as your slave, but if you mess up even one word, have one break in the salt circle, one misplaced rune in the sacred geometry, all the other stuff is invalidated and you're dragged to Hell. That no one is currently walking around with a pet demon isn't proof that it can't be done, it's just proof that no one has done it yet. Don't pay any attention to all those scorch marks on the floor, I'll tell you what mistakes they made so that you can be the first one to do it right and achieve unlimited power.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:They think it will get them free land, for one. For two they think that government is inherently bad so if they say the right magic words at it then it will vanish, taxing their tax bills with it, which will then let them get super duper rich and buy a ton of land. It's really just profound selfishness in the end.
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One of my favorite interpretations of the SovCit mindset, and I forget who said it (maybe Krinkle?) although they probably weren't the first, is that you're secretly king of America. Except you're completely unable to convince anyone of the fact so you get your rear end kicked repeatedly by every authority figure you meet.
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Except that gimmick actually worked for one weird dude from San Francisco.
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Mors Rattus posted:Except that gimmick actually worked for one weird dude from San Francisco. one weird dude's one weird trick to get out of parking tickets, judges HATE him
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Mors Rattus posted:Except that gimmick actually worked for one weird dude from San Francisco. It only works if you get in on the ground floor.
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Mors Rattus posted:I don't think Joshua Norton owned a car. Ahem that's Emperor Norton I, emperor of these united states and protector of Mexico to you.
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cumshitter posted:One of my favorite interpretations of the SovCit mindset, and I forget who said it (maybe Krinkle?) although they probably weren't the first, is that you're secretly king of America. Except you're completely unable to convince anyone of the fact so you get your rear end kicked repeatedly by every authority figure you meet. Pretty sure I've said that, and I feel like I was paraphrasing a half remembered cartoon. I took that concept of trying to calvinball your way out of the rules of a playground game, and said but what if they were an adult and the cops were involved. Haha what if you were illuminati but you're trying to argue your way out of a speeding ticket. I'm going to have your entire family disappeared, OFFICER. YOu can't do this to me. I know about the lizard people. gently caress youuuuu!
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Speaking of lizard people, I borrowed Ron Jonson's Them from the library after seeing it recommended in this thread. The author spends time with David Icke on his book tour through Canada in what was the late 90's or early 2000's, when a bunch of anti-anti-Semites came together to protest him and cancel various radio and TV interviews. It's a fun book and a light read (although I'm not finished with it yet), but I feel like the author is a retard. He says he's a comedy writer, but he recounts everything in a failed attempt at being objective. Like, he doesn't tell jokes or make funny comparisons or analogies or poo poo. He basically restates what happened to him and focuses on the weird poo poo the conspiracists do. But holy poo poo, does he seem to get suckered into everything the ZOG hating conspiracists say. To the point where he, as a Jew, is sitting across from the president of the Anti-Defamation league and he writes stuff like, quote:"Yes," she hissed Jewishly, "those white supremacists you were hanging out with who blame everything on Jews do indeed hate Jews."
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I'm the one who is bad at jokes but he literally makes the point that ZOG hating conspiracy theorists and rural trailer park nazis are morally equivalent to the Anti-Defamation League. Like, his big clincher at the end of one chapter is basically: "Two months later, the ADL was sued for defamation by a person they labelled as anti-semetic. The ADL lost."
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I like to think of sovereign citizens as practitioners of a heretical branch of legal scholarship.
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Squalid posted:I like to think of sovereign citizens as practitioners of a heretical branch of legal scholarship. That doesn't even bother me too much -- I'm not a lawyer, but my job requires me to know a bit about certain areas, enough to recognize that the average person's understanding of the law and how it is practiced is fairly poor. What blows me away is the theory of mind they subscribe to that requires everyone to follow a secret law while pretending, at all times, it doesn't exist unless you know the codes to unlock it. Like, how many people would have to be in on that? Why would a judge agree to be part of it? Why doesn't anyone ever break kayfabe? It's completely demented, and I love it.
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vseslav.botkin posted:That doesn't even bother me too much -- I'm not a lawyer, but my job requires me to know a bit about certain areas, enough to recognize that the average person's understanding of the law and how it is practiced is fairly poor. What blows me away is the theory of mind they subscribe to that requires everyone to follow a secret law while pretending, at all times, it doesn't exist unless you know the codes to unlock it. Like, how many people would have to be in on that? Why would a judge agree to be part of it? Why doesn't anyone ever break kayfabe? It's completely demented, and I love it. Most conspiracy theories though, don't claim to have such specific real-world power as the sovcit bullshit. If you believe that the government is covering up the truth about UFOs, all you can really do is file FOIA requests, which either get turned down or sent back with no documents being found, which just reinforces the belief in a cover-up. Someone who's really dedicated might break into government installations, get caught, and get punished, but that also just reinforces the cover-up angle. Same for folks who believe that the Illuminati controls everything. They all promise secret knowledge, but make no promises that acting on said knowledge will give the believer any power. But with the sovcit/tax deniers/freemen on the land, all it takes is P. Barnes' polite but firm insistence that they can't go into the court room with that camera, and his mighty taser, to prove convincingly that their power isn't really there. It's why so many of them get so hilariously exasperated or incredulous when the cops take them down, or the judge sends them to jail or the judge takes their money and property away. It's the sudden and severe onslaught of cognitive dissonance as their worldview collapses before their eyes while all they can do is scream, "I DO NOT CONSENT. I DO NOT WISH TO CREATE JOINDER WITH YOU."
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