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Walked posted:Ok, Tarmogoyf side by side and what I'm talking about. drat, even the rosetting is good.
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I can't tell the difference between the real and fake {G} symbol
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dragon enthusiast posted:I can't tell the difference between the real and fake {G} symbol There is none, that's the point. The older fakes had a difference.
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Sep 10, 2016 17:18
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Chill la Chill posted:There is none, that's the point. The older fakes had a difference. Exactly. At this stage, the only real giveaway is the texture (which can be hit with steel wool to fix) and the set symbol. They are disgustingly good these days.
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Sep 10, 2016 17:21
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What loupe do you use? I need to get one.
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Walked posted:Ok, Tarmogoyf side by side and what I'm talking about. drat, those are good, especially the rosette. A couple years ago my Seattle buddy ordered a print from every maker he could find to test differences and none of them were that hard to distinguish. Regarding the coloring difference, a lot of sets have subtle coloration differences between print runs that can be noticeable in the right light, so I wouldn't even give that a second glance unless I knew I was looking for a fake. I,for one, am looking forward to the point where fakes are almost completely indistinguishable and the market gets flooded to tank prices.
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ShaneB posted:What loupe do you use? I need to get one. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015RINTFM/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Cheap and great insurance
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Walked posted:Exactly. Hang on, gonna buy playsets of all the abu duals for 100 bucks then rub em with the steel wool.
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Elyv posted:why is there no stream for gp louisville wotc doesnt want to reinvest any of their profit into their game i mean, uh, they cant afford it
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Count Bleck posted:Hang on, gonna buy playsets of all the abu duals for 100 bucks then rub em with the steel wool. Ah, for the authentic "mom left a box in the attic and had just recently rediscovered it" feel. Watch people slap perfect fits on them and legacy events start to skyrocket.
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Sep 10, 2016 18:10
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Elyv posted:why is there no stream for gp louisville They cut GP stream funding last year.
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Angry Grimace posted:They cut GP stream funding last year. Clearly, the Chinese Fake Cards Organizations are cutting into their funds.
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Sep 10, 2016 19:22
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These pictures only want to make me purchase the proxies.
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Sep 10, 2016 19:52
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80s James Hetfield posted:These pictures only want to make me purchase the proxies. They're totally fine and I don't care if people play with them so long as they're not selling them as real and charging accordingly. I use them in EDH decks and decks for testing against
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The Shortest Path posted:drat, those are good, especially the rosette. A couple years ago my Seattle buddy ordered a print from every maker he could find to test differences and none of them were that hard to distinguish. Regarding the coloring difference, a lot of sets have subtle coloration differences between print runs that can be noticeable in the right light, so I wouldn't even give that a second glance unless I knew I was looking for a fake. Same, this is just the end result of the model WotC's got going on
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Elyv posted:why is there no stream for gp louisville Because WotC is trying to make their game a legitimate e-sport by not broadcasting most of its bigger events which makes sense because The Shortest Path posted:I,for one, am looking forward to the point where fakes are almost completely indistinguishable and the market gets flooded to tank prices. Have fun not having any good stores to play at I guess?
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Sep 10, 2016 20:04
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They're going to introduce a format that is Holo only, just watch. Then let legacy and modern die entirely
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Anyone have an recommended Conspiracy 2 primers? I have a draft today!
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suicidesteve posted:Because WotC is trying to make their game a legitimate e-sport by not broadcasting most of its bigger events which makes sense because MTGO finally booms in business since nobody can trust their cardboard *Wizards M.Bison laughs*
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suicidesteve posted:Because WotC is trying to make their game a legitimate e-sport by not broadcasting most of its bigger events which makes sense because Good local stores do not make their money in the sale of hundreds-of-dollar reserved list legacy staples. This will help stores, because more people will be able to show up to Legacy and Modern events. Anything printed since Origins isn't going to be counterfeited because of the foil seal thing at the bottom of the card, fakes won't impact the stuff stores are selling.
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This just makes me want to get more expensive fakes and only buy cards for modern decks that are <20 bucks.
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suicidesteve posted:Because WotC is trying to make their game a legitimate e-sport by not broadcasting most of its bigger events which makes sense because I'm admittedly a scrub that mostly does drafts a couple times a month as time allows, or Prereleases when the set looks fun, but if fakes of that level of quality were available on the cheap then I'd be playing a hell of a lot more often just because I could afford to put together a deck (or multiple decks) for Standard or Modern events (which are the two formats that appeal to me most) without spending literally hundreds of dollars per deck. I don't see how that hurts LGS, given that I'm still paying the fee to play in tournaments and probably spending money besides that on concessions, the occasional pack, maybe a playmat, etc. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Sep 10, 2016 |
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Someone seriously told me that the reserved list needs to stay in place because removing it would cause hundreds of LGS stores to shut down. How many LGS have a serious market in reserved list staples that have a tiny consumer base?
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kizudarake posted:This just makes me want to get more expensive fakes and only buy cards for modern decks that are <20 bucks. Same. I want to live in a world where the best legacy decks are only 3-400 dollars.
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Alaan posted:Anyone have an recommended Conspiracy 2 primers? I have a draft today! Draft a shitton of cards with the same name as they flow with most of the conspiracies that way.
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Retromancer posted:Someone seriously told me that the reserved list needs to stay in place because removing it would cause hundreds of LGS stores to shut down. The market will adjust as these stupid LGSs shut down. I mean, that's pretty much what happened to the comic book boom and crash of the early 90s as I heard it. The bad stores were culled.
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:I'm admittedly a scrub that mostly does drafts a couple times a month as time allows, or Prereleases when the set looks fun, but if fakes of that level of quality were available on the cheap then I'd be playing a hell of a lot more often just because I could afford to put together a deck (or multiple decks) for Standard or Modern events (which are the two formats that appeal to me most) without spending literally hundreds of dollars per deck. You answered your own question. You're not giving them hundreds of dollars for singles that probably cost them half of that but you're giving them $10 for a tournament that probably costs them $8 to run. I'm all for having the game be affordable but completely destroying the secondary market is a pretty bad idea if you want the game to continue existing in its current form. The Shortest Path posted:Good local stores do not make their money in the sale of hundreds-of-dollar reserved list legacy staples. This will help stores, because more people will be able to show up to Legacy and Modern events What does this have to do with anything that I posted or with your original post? Counterfeit all the reserved list cards you want. Screw the Craig Berrys and Dan Bocks of the world. Saying you want to see the market get flooded and prices tank when talking about a Tarmogoyf or Blood Moon isn't the same thing as saying you want reserved list cards to be reprinted. And again, I don't see how a store's stock of modern staples becoming worthless is supposed to help that store when running a tournament that it doesn't, or barely, makes money on.
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Plus you know that if they ditched the reserved list they'd do a legacy masters reprint set full of stuff like Anaba ancestor with maybe Bazaar and Tabernacle reprinted at mythic
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There's stores that don't have a primary income of magic sales. They sell board games and/or have transitioned into gaming cafes. I haven't done enough research about the market to say what would survive, but to say they must exist on magic cards is asinine. There were probably a lot of comic book store owners who wondered how any local stores existed without the comic boom in the late 80s/early 90s.
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Retromancer posted:Plus you know that if they ditched the reserved list they'd do a legacy masters reprint set full of stuff like Anaba ancestor with maybe Bazaar and Tabernacle reprinted at mythic They could finally reprint Thunder Spirit!
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Retromancer posted:Plus you know that if they ditched the reserved list they'd do a legacy masters reprint set full of stuff like Anaba ancestor with maybe Bazaar and Tabernacle reprinted at mythic Nah, they'd be hyper-ultra-ghost mythic. One per print run of the entire set. Also don't forget Homarid Shaman. Chill la Chill posted:There's stores that don't have a primary income of magic sales. They sell board games and/or have transitioned into gaming cafes. I haven't done enough research about the market to say what would survive, but to say they must exist on magic cards is asinine. I can think of at least 3 stores out of the 5 that I go to with any regularity that would probably go out of business, or at least be in very bad shape, if Magic died. They all have other stuff aside from Magic/TCGs but that's their main source of income.
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Chill la Chill posted:There's stores that don't have a primary income of magic sales. They sell board games and/or have transitioned into gaming cafes. I haven't done enough research about the market to say what would survive, but to say they must exist on magic cards is asinine. This is exactly right. No successful game store focuses primarily on Magic (or any other CCG/TCG). Anecdotal, but all the ones I've seen who have, closed down within 2 years.
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I agree. Any game store that bases a large part of their business on trading singles is doing it wrong. The big online retailers can do it better than you and more efficiently. Concentrate on what actually differentiates your store: proximity to people. Run solid events that people want to go to. Run drafts to get people opening some decent margin product.
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Hey, shitters, you can rail against the reserve list and expensive cards all you want, but if you want to support counterfeits, do it elsewhere as this isn't the forum for that.
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suicidesteve posted:You answered your own question. You're not giving them hundreds of dollars for singles that probably cost them half of that but you're giving them $10 for a tournament that probably costs them $8 to run. I haven't bought a single or a playset of cards at a LGS since 2001, if even then. None of the stores that I go to rely solely on MTG sales for their income. For most of them, MTG isn't even their biggest money maker. I don't think anyone is asking for the secondary market to get destroyed. I personally think the reserved list is stupid, but I don't care if they keep it around forever. I do care that the price of tournament staples or constructed-worthy cards is consistently high enough to price me out of playing the game at the level or frequency that I would prefer to, and I know I'm one of many with that mindset. Yes, it's always been that way with MTG, but that doesn't mean that it's a good status quo or that it's healthy for the game overall. If it takes a glut of (apparently) high-quality fakes to get those prices down because WOTC can't or won't do so, then I'm okay with that. As I, and others, have said, lower prices for cards would spur more patronage of LGS, more participation in tournaments, and probably more money spent on MTG products. I can understand the moral or legal arguments against it, but this concern trolling about fakes being the "death of MTG" is a bit exaggerated. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Sep 10, 2016 |
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Count Bleck posted:They could finally reprint Thunder Spirit! i have hundreds of dollars worth of thunder spirits because i bought a bunch as a joke a long time ago. altho i genuinely doubt thunder spirit is actually valued at its current price by literally anyone. it shouldnt be. then again,
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AlternateNu posted:This is exactly right. No successful game store focuses primarily on Magic (or any other CCG/TCG). Anecdotal, but all the ones I've seen who have, closed down within 2 years. Here in San Diego we have at least one store that does nothing but Magic and hasn't for a long time. They just opened a new location, even.
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Angry Grimace posted:Here in San Diego we have at least one store that does nothing but Magic and hasn't for a long time. They just opened a new location, even. What store is this? Is it a good environment? So far I've only drafted with friends but I am thinking about doing it at a store sometime.
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Toshimo posted:Hey, shitters, you can rail against the reserve list and expensive cards all you want, but if you want to support counterfeits, do it elsewhere as this isn't the forum for that. When you become a mod you can make the rules, okay? Chill la Chill posted:There is none, that's the point. The older fakes had a difference. kizudarake posted:This just makes me want to get more expensive fakes and only buy cards for modern decks that are <20 bucks. And that is another reason why modern is the best format.
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