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Real hurthling! posted:Yeah it starts well but the jet ski part is real bad and the late game encounters are a huge slog. I played on tourist to get it overwith The jet ski is the worst. The unexplained explosive barrels make me think that playtesters just drove away from the boring shooting sections, and instead of making the shooting fun, some designer put the barrels there to force you to play what they'd designed. That said, the first game is pretty fun at points. It's still a decent action game.
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I never played Uncharted until recently and 1 was really really bad and only worth it to get acquainted with the characters. 2 was great, 3 was good and 4 was great.
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Sep 10, 2016 19:38
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Aggro posted:Hmm. I picked up the Uncharted Collection for $15. I've never played any of Uncharted games, but I did just finish The Last of Us (which was awesome). Am I going to hate the first game? UC1 is the only one that basically requires a bit of foreknowledge: Be aggressive, fire at enemies to get them to stop shooting at you, always be moving, use melee. UC2 and later are rebalanced so that you don't have to use this strategy to make the game fun, but it's still fairly effective anyway. The original is a complete slog if you don't play it the "right" way, but pretty fun if you do.
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Sep 10, 2016 19:43
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UnfortunateSexFart posted:I never played Uncharted until recently and 1 was really really bad and only worth it to get acquainted with the characters. 2 was great, 3 was good and 4 was great. its good actually
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Sep 10, 2016 19:47
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Dewgy posted:UC1 is the only one that basically requires a bit of foreknowledge: Be aggressive, fire at enemies to get them to stop shooting at you, always be moving, use melee. Totally agree with this. UC2 and 3 are far more forgiving. UC1 is unfortunately designed to punish you for aimed sitting from cover. This runs completely counter to the Gears of War mentality. Very little max ammo, highly accurate return fire, very high health. Their gameplay concept is firmly rooted in equal parts shooting and melee, often in the same enemy. You're meant to soften the enemy with ridiculously generous auto aim hip fire and punch them out. And cover is meant more for getting closer to the enemy than shooting from. The low max ammo also nudges you into dropping the idea of a favorite weapon you carry through the game and instead using and losing constantly. Note that the ending sequence removes most of these options and it's quite a challenge spike as a result. But it's a hell of a lot of fun to channel an 80s adventure hero who shoots a guy four times while running at him and then hits him in the face. Just remember the game hates it when you shoot from cover. Try to avoid doing that except against shotguns, who are death to run and gun.
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Is Uncharted Vita better or worse than 1 though, because it's the only one I've playd
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Sep 10, 2016 21:12
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voltcatfish posted:Is Uncharted Vita better or worse than 1 though, because it's the only one I've playd Personally, I'd say better. Uncharted 1 definitely felt dated to me and had some janky parts. I liked Golden Abyss as much as I liked 2 or 3. Not sure what the general consensus is though. Edit: Dated as in I just played it for the first time a month ago.
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Sep 10, 2016 21:19
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Golden Abyss had the "hold your camera against the surface of the sun" puzzle and collectibles in cutscenes, though.
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Sep 10, 2016 21:25
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SelenicMartian posted:collectibles in cutscenes what?
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SelenicMartian posted:Golden Abyss had the "hold your camera against the surface of the sun" puzzle and collectibles in cutscenes, though. Touching collectibles in cutscenes was neat. The sun thing was dumb but we had that photo of that goon's carpet.
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Sep 10, 2016 21:46
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UC1 is 9 years old now and its formula has been heavily refined since then. its dated.
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Sep 10, 2016 21:55
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Good games don't age
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thats why you're an idiot if you buy games instead of playing nethack
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Sep 10, 2016 21:59
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morallyobjected posted:what? There were collectable shinys during cutscenes and you had to touch the screen when you saw them to get them.
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Sep 10, 2016 22:38
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In Training posted:Good games don't age Twisted Metal 2 says otherwise.
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Sep 10, 2016 23:32
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Some good games age well and still play great, some become unplayable and then most still play great if you meet them half way and are able to overlook some annoyances
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Sep 10, 2016 23:37
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rabidsquid posted:UC1 is 9 years old now and its formula has been heavily refined since then. its dated. People complained plenty when it was new.
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Sep 10, 2016 23:37
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people complain frequently about actual everything
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In Training posted:Good games don't age all video games are terrible
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Sep 10, 2016 23:47
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Play video games before their expiration date.
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Ape Agitator posted:Totally agree with this. UC2 and 3 are far more forgiving. UC1 is unfortunately designed to punish you for aimed sitting from cover. This runs completely counter to the Gears of War mentality. Very little max ammo, highly accurate return fire, very high health. This comes up in pretty much every Uncharted discussion, and I assumed it's why I hated the original game so much. But playing through UC1 again in the ND collection with more emphasis on melee combat still sucked poo poo, since Drake seems super brittle for a game where you keep soaking up bullets during combat animations. I'm probably just bad at games but playing UC1 at all feels like punishment pretty much everything from the zombie introduction through the end credits is just inexcusably bad game design
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justbread posted:This comes up in pretty much every Uncharted discussion, and I assumed it's why I hated the original game so much. But playing through UC1 again in the ND collection with more emphasis on melee combat still sucked poo poo, since Drake seems super brittle for a game where you keep soaking up bullets during combat animations. I'm probably just bad at games but playing UC1 at all feels like punishment I felt like the zombie part was one of the easier sections, since it was just run, shoot, and don't look back. the final boat was a bitch, for sure, though
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yeah I didn't mean to imply that the zombies were the difficult/frustrating part -- just really, really dumb then they decided to one up themselves with the blue monkey men in UC2 which were both frustrating and really, really dumb
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mrEkli posted:The sun thing was dumb but we had that photo of that goon's carpet. What is this photo you're referencing?
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LawfulWaffle posted:What is this photo you're referencing? I've long since lost it but some goon once got frustrated trying to do Uncharted: Golden Abyss' light-based puzzles and just pointed it at their carpet and the game recognized it, so they took a photo of said carpet and for whatever reason that photo would work for the terrible puzzles too so for like the first year or so of Vita's life when games had that light gimmick (i.e. Assassin's Creed) people would be like "oh go get the photo".
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Sep 11, 2016 01:35
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Was it this one? It's in my picture folder as "vita bright rug.jpg" so I assume it is, but I somehow remember it looking different.
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Sep 11, 2016 01:39
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Yeah I think that's the one. Memories~
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That's a great rug.
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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:Was it this one? Somehow this looks like exactly the sort of carpet to fool a light sensor.
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That would be the rug.
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mycot posted:Somehow this looks like exactly the sort of carpet to fool a light sensor. i... wha.... 
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Jet skiing in UC1 was AWESOME and I'm sad they never added it again.
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Was that the one where you had to park the jet ski to use the grenade launcher because that was bad
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Aggro posted:Hmm. I picked up the Uncharted Collection for $15. I've never played any of Uncharted games, but I did just finish The Last of Us (which was awesome). Am I going to hate the first game? Play all the Uncharted games in order. Having fairly recently replayed UC1 (twice) and 2 and 3 to finish off the platinums, I think UC1 has aged very well. I also got through the second jetski section (the rapids) first go on Crushing by holding down the throttle and just going for it. I adore the Uncharted franchise, but all the games are awful on Crushing difficulty which requires you to play a very slow peekaboo style instead of fun and gun funtime melee stuff. The only thing putting me off the PS4 remasters is they added a difficulty level beyond Crushing which is the very opposite of a good idea. Golden Abyss is comparable to UC1, and worth seeking out (that rug brings back some memories alright). Uncharted 4 is the worst of all the games. Yes, it's not as good as either Uncharted 1 or the Vita game. I will not be swayed on this. These are my opinions after 11 total playthroughs of these games.
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Sinners Sandwich posted:Was that the one where you had to park the jet ski to use the grenade launcher because that was bad if I recall, that section is pretty easily beatable by having Elena blind fire the grenade launcher, which is why so many people who played it by stopping every time found it so frustrating, but I could be misremembering
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the jetski sections are ez
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I feel like the jetski was an out of control reactionary level redesign. "We've got a fairly nice water tech we can show off. Maybe they go upriver in a raft and deliver some story and shoot a couple of soldiers. ... Too slow, give then a jetski ... They just fly though it now, add Donkey Kong explosive barrels ... They keep running out of ammo, make it unlimited ... It's too easy, add a hell of a lot more guys ... It's too hard to hit, make it a grenade launcher ... Times up, ship it"
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morallyobjected posted:if I recall, that section is pretty easily beatable by having Elena blind fire the grenade launcher, which is why so many people who played it by stopping every time found it so frustrating, but I could be misremembering You can't blindfire the grenade launcher, that one you have to stop to shoot. But the second jetski section, Elena has a pistol, and on that one you can totally just gun it straight past all the bad guys while spamming the blindfire button and make it through no problem. But most people don't realize it, because the first jetski section trains you that blindfire isn't an option.
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I want to ride a jetski upstream IRL. Maybe that's why I didn't mind those parts, they fulfill some vicarious experience. I do kind of agree about UC4 being weak. I'm not sure I'd put it under UC1, but I'd say their respective weaknesses give them a tie. Then 3, then 2 at the top. Though I think a lot of the appreciation of UC2 comes from shattering the expectations people had coming out if UC1. If you skip UC1 you probably won't have as much of an understanding of why UC2 works so well, it just becomes another chapter in a story that's already been told.
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^ I still say 2 is cleanly best with having skipped 1, and only playing 3 and 4. I still feel like 3 was weaker then even 4, because the story was so much worse. My personal opinion is the highest difficulty is usually for spergy gamers and or achievement freaks. Not many games are tuned to be fun on higher difficulties, just ball busting and bragging rights. Judging a game at those difficulties is usually a bad idea and why they tend to be unlockable. Most games out side of ninja gaiden and dmc3 are just bullet sponges that deal higher damage, or limited ammo, shifting around important resources,etc. Just limiting options and telling you "hey play this one way" Like at least gaiden and dmc changed up enemy layouts and behaviors a bit more. SectumSempra fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Sep 11, 2016 |
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