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oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I am guessing they would end you with some really red hands.

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MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

So what you're saying is you wonder if it's also useful as a laser rifle that only kills black people?

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




That's how laser hair removal works. Right through your pale caucasian skin, to burn away the dark hair roots. Doesn't work very well on people with dark skin, can cause burns. Doesn't work very well on people with very pale blond or white hair either. But if you are the perfect combination of pale skin and dark hair it works, and only burns a little bit.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0i1SxtzPZA

Captain Postal
Sep 16, 2007
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Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Captain Postal posted:

It makes me wonder what would happen if the guy doing it was African. The laser works by being absorbed by dark things and heating them up until they fry, so would there be a difference if someone with more Melanin tried it?

It's not a matter of the target being dark; the treatment will also remove fingerprints and oils and other things that aren't dark in color. You're picking a pulse duration and frequency so that the light couples to what you're trying to remove from the metal surface. This is not like laser hair removal where the light is absorbed by the melanin pigment in the hair.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

MrYenko posted:

So what you're saying is you wonder if it's also useful as a laser rifle that only kills black people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay4x3Un6PGk

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Ahhhhhh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TN9WNgxsmo&t=24s


Hmmmm, beat with a more dramatic version :shobon:

The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Sep 10, 2016

Effective-Disorder
Nov 13, 2013
Focal length. Notice how much rust it clears off as the distance from the 'gun' varies. Now consider the surface of his fingers while it's cleaning the plate underneath. Even 2 centimeters makes a big difference.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
Can we please not get another backseat physics derail?

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Mithaldu posted:

Can we please not get another backseat physics derail?

Backseat physics is pretty cool though. Like when backseats only had lap belts, you had to decide whose life you valued the most. In an accident an imperfectly placed lap belt could cause serious injury. But if the people in the backseat don't wear a belt at all, in a high speed collision they will bash into the back of the front seat, and in can contribute to serious injury for those in the front seat.

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe
I experience physics constantly so I mean I know what I'm talking about

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
I'm down with back seat physics derails.

Reminds me of a video i've seen with a care where the safety belt went all the way from the left door to the right. Kinda wanna see a crash test dummie video of that.

Effective-Disorder
Nov 13, 2013

Mithaldu posted:

Can we please not get another backseat physics derail?

Fine, I'll see your electrical safety video and raise you 1950's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQUMds57I2I&t=531s

My Pop's a Lineman, and he's always dealing with pesky hunters hunting insulators.

Edit: "Thoughtless hunters" look a lot like domestic terrorists.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
That's some hilariously dramatic music.

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Captain Postal
Sep 16, 2007

Effective-Disorder posted:

Focal length. Notice how much rust it clears off as the distance from the 'gun' varies. Now consider the surface of his fingers while it's cleaning the plate underneath. Even 2 centimeters makes a big difference.

It's columnated though. That's what lasers do.

It all comes down the the absorption of the sample at the wavelength of the laser, and the energy the laser puts out over the pulse length. As someone pointed out way back in the thread, (white) skin doesn't absorb CO2 laser primary wavelength all that well (although if you add in a frequency doubling crystal you're pretty hosed), although retinas do. So these things can pass over skin without harming if you set it up correctly, but you always need eye protection from reflections.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

People paying American dollars to let other people know they didn't agree with someone's position on something is the lifeblood of these forums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiuOQHTsNg

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...


Hot starts are a bitch. Keep that fucker turning and pull it back to the gate.

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

Effective-Disorder posted:

Edit: "Thoughtless hunters" look a lot like domestic terrorists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack

Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot

One new concern was the code named "AURORA" attack.

Basically, that's where someone either breaks into a SCADA system or the substation itself and opens and closes distant circuit breakers that parallel a power plant's generators to the power grid. By opening the breaker, waiting, and closing it again, it's possible for the generator to drift out of synchronism with the power grid and basically short-circuit when it's reconnected connected. In the worst case this could result in serious damage to the transmission system components, generator, and the turbine. (Many millions of dollars in damage. Turbines and generators in the hundred or 1000+ megawatt range are not off-the-shelf components.)

The problems are that there are checks, often redundant, to make sure breakers that connect generators to grids close when the generator is synchronized. Distant breakers may not check for synchronism.

Three-Phase fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Sep 11, 2016

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
My favorite thing about the laser rust gun is that it sounds exactly like a lightsaber, so apparently Star Wars was prophetic there.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
As for where the lightsaber sound actually originates:

Ben Burtt posted:


"The lightsabers are one of my favorite sounds, and in fact it was the very first sound I made for the whole series. For some reason after I read the script even though my assignment was to find a voice for Chewbacca, and then a voice for Artoo, and then, well maybe come up with some sounds of laser guns and other things. The lightsaber fascinated me at the time when the script had first come out, they had some paintings that Ralph McQuarrie had done. So that there were some concepts visually of what some of these things would look like, and those pictures were very inspiring because they gave an idea of the direction we were trying to go in the look of the film and it was inspiring to me to therefore think of sounds that might fit that kind of visual style.

I could kind of hear the sound in my head of the lightsabers even though it was just a painting of a lightsaber. I could really just sort of hear the sound maybe somewhere in my subconscious I had seen a lightsaber before. I went to, at that time I was still a graduate student at USC, and I was a projectionist and we had a projection booth with some very, very old simplex projectors in them. They had an interlock motor which connected them to the system when they just sat there and idled and made a wonderful humming sound. It would slowly change in pitch, and it would beat against another motor, there were two motors, and they would harmonize with each other. It was kind of that inspiration, the sound was the inspiration for the lightsaber for the lightsaber and I went and recorded that sound, but it wasn't quite enough. It was just a humming sound, what was missing was a buzzy sort of sparkling sound, the scintillating which I was looking for, and I found it one day by accident.

I was carrying a microphone across the room between recording something over here and I walked over here when the microphone passeda television set which was on the floor which was on at the time without the sound turned up, but the microphone passed right behind the picture tube and as it did, this particular produced an unusual hum. It picked up a transmission from the television set and a signal was induced into it's sound reproducing mechanism, and that was a great buzz, actually. So I took that buzz and recorded it and combined it with the projector motor sound and that fifty-fifty kind of combination of those two sounds became the basic lightsaber tone, which was then, once we had established this tone of the lightsaber of course you had to get the sense of the lightsaber moving because characters would carry it around, they would whip it through the air , they would thrust and slash at each other in fights, and to achieve this addtional sense of movement I played the sound over a speaker in a room.

Just the humming sound, the humming and the buzzing combined as an endless sound, and then took another microphone and waved in the air next to that speaker so that it would come close to the speaker and go away and you could whip it by, and what happens when you do that by recording with a moving microphone is you geta Doppler's shift, you get a pitch shift in the sound and therefore you can produce a very authentic facsimilie of a moving sound. And therefore give the lightsaber a sense of movement and it worked well on the screen at that point."

Effective-Disorder
Nov 13, 2013

Captain Postal posted:

It's columnated though. That's what lasers do.

It all comes down the the absorption of the sample at the wavelength of the laser, and the energy the laser puts out over the pulse length. As someone pointed out way back in the thread, (white) skin doesn't absorb CO2 laser primary wavelength all that well (although if you add in a frequency doubling crystal you're pretty hosed), although retinas do. So these things can pass over skin without harming if you set it up correctly, but you always need eye protection from reflections.

Collimation, I think is not quite what's happening here with the optics involved and the visible difference in rust removal with distance. I don't know how the beam splitter works on that thing to make the line, so I'm leaving this at 'well, I think so'. But yeah, that's why they use these carbon dioxide lasers for surgery. You have to focus it well, and then it's just precise radiant effects. You're at least as right as I am, and you probably haven't been shot with a laser, and neither have I (too much), so we both have that going for us.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

You can see in this video what happens when it hits the dark spots:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2gjveVliqc

And this page has the :barf: results of using it on dark skin with the wrong settings.

http://hubpages.com/style/Laser-hair-removal-pre-op-care-after-care-dangers-side-effects

RoboJiggolo
Aug 16, 2004

More Than Meets the Eye

Effective-Disorder posted:

My Pop's a Lineman, and he's always dealing with pesky hunters hunting insulators.

Edit: "Thoughtless hunters" look a lot like domestic terrorists.

Really? you're going to take someone vandalizing a power line and label them a "domestic terrorist".
That puts the bar at a pretty shocking - and dangerous low.

No pun intended.

EDIT: Yeah, I missed your point, and I agree with you, attitudes have changed a lot, "the war on terror" has changed a lot of attitudes,some not for the better.

I can imagine some idiot hunter shooting an insulator for a bit of target practice,and getting caught, and then the Podunk local cops puffing themselves all up and leveling some crazy-rear end domestic terrorism charges against the guy just because they can.
Also to maybe to get a plea-bargain to something lesser?

RoboJiggolo fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Sep 12, 2016

Effective-Disorder
Nov 13, 2013

RoboJiggolo posted:

Really? you're going to take someone vandalizing a power line and label them a "domestic terrorist".
That puts the bar at a pretty shocking - and dangerous low.

No pun intended.

It was more of a commentary contrasting today's attitudes to the 1950's 'Leave It To Beaver' tone of the film.

I mean, I didn't intend to move the line anywhere, I'm just pointing out that people seem to be under high tension these days.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 44 hours!
Honestly, i always expect those old videos to get interrupted by a bright flash and everybody diving into the nearest ditch.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

RoboJiggolo posted:

Really? you're going to take someone vandalizing a power line and label them a "domestic terrorist".
That puts the bar at a pretty shocking - and dangerous low.

No pun intended.

They didn't vandalize a power line, it's not like they spraypainted the transformers with their tags. Without knowing their motive we can't say they were terrorists or not but it's certainly possible and what transpired was a lot more serious than vandalism. You should pay more attention to current events.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Effective-Disorder posted:

My Pop's a Lineman, and he's always dealing with pesky hunters hunting insulators.

Wasn't it Mel Brooks who got a medal in WWII doing that?

I think the story goes that he and his squad were returning from a boring, uneventful patrol and decided to have a little fun betting on who could shoot the most insulators off the power lines. When they eventually go back to base, they were called in front of some officer who asked them if they had encountered any enemy activity because evil German snipers had knocked out their power. Oops.

They also needed some brave men to escort combat engineers out into the field, crawling with snipers as it was, and protect them as they replaced the insulators. Naturally, Brooks' team volunteered because they knew the only people out there shooting power lines was them.

So off they all went and even got a medal for bravery out of it.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Gorilla Salad posted:

Wasn't it Mel Brooks who got a medal in WWII doing that?

I think the story goes that he and his squad were returning from a boring, uneventful patrol and decided to have a little fun betting on who could shoot the most insulators off the power lines. When they eventually go back to base, they were called in front of some officer who asked them if they had encountered any enemy activity because evil German snipers had knocked out their power. Oops.

They also needed some brave men to escort combat engineers out into the field, crawling with snipers as it was, and protect them as they replaced the insulators. Naturally, Brooks' team volunteered because they knew the only people out there shooting power lines was them.

So off they all went and even got a medal for bravery out of it.

Mel Brooks was a combat engineer, though.

Effective-Disorder
Nov 13, 2013
Well, at least the industry is concerned about hunter safety. Those porcelain insulators tend to create dangerous fragments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Totp_hz7ViQ&t=43s

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2016/09/11/0911-trinity-college-house-deck-collapse.html

Three stories of decking pancaking on atop another is bad but I want to hear more about this 30' beer column, that should be putting out what about 15 psi at the bottom? Sounds like a bad time.

eljackass
May 19, 2004

Caution is a word that I can't understand
I'm dumbfounded that plinking insulators has been or is apparently actually a "thing". Why the hell would people ever do that?! Not enough birds to shoot or something?

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug

Phanatic posted:

Mel Brooks was a combat engineer, though.

I don't remember any talk of a medal but I did take my parents to a Mel Brooks QnA and there he said his scouting patrol found German rifles and decided to play around with them and that's when that story happened.

Effective-Disorder
Nov 13, 2013

eljackass posted:

I'm dumbfounded that plinking insulators has been or is apparently actually a "thing". Why the hell would people ever do that?! Not enough birds to shoot or something?

It's still a thing, apparently. Only now they're taking out your internets.

http://www.itnews.com.au/news/us-hunters-shoot-down-google-fibre-232831

quote:

Gill said that on one occasion, a snowstorm and avalanche prevented Google from transporting repairers and gear into the area of the cut.

It usually used a helicopter or a Caterpillar D9 tractor for transport. It improvised by sending three technicians on skis to "repair the fibre that got shot down".

"These guys had to cross country ski for three days," Gill said.

"[One guy] is carrying what is known as a fusion splicing kit on his backpack."

He joked: "These guys had to go in and fix the fibre while facing gunshots

"So [the] internet... [it's] more dangerous than you realise."

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Effective-Disorder posted:

It's still a thing, apparently. Only now they're taking out your internets.

Kill them all.

Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot
Sabotaging infrastructure (I'm talking beyond spray painting a transformer box) is domestic terrorism.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBOfQBHYqRY

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Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Three-Phase posted:

Sabotaging infrastructure (I'm talking beyond spray painting a transformer box) is domestic terrorism.

Terrorism is about motivation, not action. If it's not done to terrorize it's not terrorism.

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