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Kashuno
Oct 9, 2012

Where the hell is my SWORD?
Grimey Drawer
If you are learning Mei, let me tell you one thing you should never ever do. You shouldn't put your ice wall directly in front of a payload when you're on defense. Ever. The payload plows through

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Supercar Gautier
Jun 10, 2006

I think trying to use the wall to stop the payload is something almost every new Mei tries once, and the bad ones are the ones who never figure out it doesn't work.

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider
How the gently caress is Hanzo fair? Everything less than 250 hp is dying in a single loving shot. And it's always a goddamn scatter arrow.

terrified of my bathroom
Jan 24, 2014

GAY BOATS

CaptainScraps posted:

How the gently caress is Hanzo fair? Everything less than 250 hp is dying in a single loving shot. And it's always a goddamn scatter arrow.

try not getting shot by him, or alternatively: shooting him first

Kashuno
Oct 9, 2012

Where the hell is my SWORD?
Grimey Drawer

CaptainScraps posted:

How the gently caress is Hanzo fair? Everything less than 250 hp is dying in a single loving shot. And it's always a goddamn scatter arrow.

He had to actually hit you

GodFish
Oct 10, 2012

We're your first, last, and only line of defense. We live in secret. We exist in shadow.

And we dress in black.
Scatter Arrow does not, in fact, have to actually hit you. Generally the opposite.

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist
In a game where road hog can hook me through walls, mei can basically permafreeze me with a football sized ult, and Mccree can snipe, stun and murder tanks, the only thing in the game I think is bullshit is Scatter Arrow.

Cowcaster
Aug 7, 2002



i mean a scatter arrow instagibbing you is frustrating, but actually pulling that off is marginally trickier than just straight up spamming arrows at your head which can instagib a lot of things just fine so i don't think it's worth noting

Verranicus
Aug 18, 2009

by VideoGames
How would you feel about a transgender pro player?

http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20748976776

Would that excite you to watch pro plays more often?

Thor-Stryker
Nov 11, 2005
Competitive Season Seasonal Reminder: Please don't be the guy who plays Offensive Torb.

Alien Rope Burn
Dec 5, 2004

I wanna be a saikyo HERO!

Kashuno posted:

If you are learning Mei, let me tell you one thing you should never ever do. You shouldn't put your ice wall directly in front of a payload when you're on defense. Ever. The payload plows through

There is a reason to do this, mainly if you're stalling. Put up the wall very close to the cart, so close that you can get sit on the other side within the cart's aura that it doesn't move and won't plow through the wall.

Not something to do as a habit but it can be a way to stall while the defense groups up on the cart.

Verranicus
Aug 18, 2009

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Thor-Stryker posted:

Competitive Season Seasonal Reminder: Please don't be the guy who plays Offensive Torb.

No

mcvey
Aug 31, 2006

go caps haha

*Washington Capitals #1 Fan On DeviantArt*

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Thor-Stryker posted:

Competitive Season Seasonal Reminder: Please don't be the guy who plays Offensive Torb.

Excuse me but gently caress you I'll play what I want.

creatine
Jan 27, 2012




Thor-Stryker posted:

Competitive Season Seasonal Reminder: Please don't be the guy who plays Offensive Torb.

I played with this guy earlier



He had a 49% win rate and we won easily with him.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.
I would say the good Mei just completely doesn't exist on the bad tier I play on so if you do the things that the people say here you should do it'll probably push you up the rankings pretty fast.

Things that opposing Meis do that I laugh at and help me win on my bad level:
  • Throw up the wall giving me free cover.
  • Try to ice wall the payload (There are a few really small choke points where this is disruptive but almost always it just means free cover to heal.
  • Flank against a whole team slightly paying attention with M1 only.
  • Spawn camp
  • Engage a Genji from the front that can either aim or knows the fan button exists.
  • Engage Reapers from the front with m1 only.
  • Engage just about anyone from the front using only m1.
  • Wall teammates ultimates
  • Wall everyone opponent in the spawn (this was somewhat effective on PS4 in the days where turrets were stronger because you could basically could cause people to trickle and get turreted to death but now turrets are so weak that it's kind of not a thing
  • Don't use the ult very often. This ult actually seems to extend past its visual range on some maps and is annoying to deal with even if it's escapable.

Rick fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Sep 11, 2016

Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007

Duck and Cover posted:

Excuse me but gently caress you I'll play what I want.

Agreed

Thor-Stryker
Nov 11, 2005

Pumpy Dumper posted:

I played with this guy earlier



He had a 49% win rate and we won easily with him.

Oh hey, that was the same guy that dragged us down. He wouldn't switch characters on Eichenwalde despite the enemy team having half the counters to Torb on both defense and offense. He didn't even get a good amount of kills and no cards.

Now that I see his character record, he doesn't play other classes and doesn't get one of the basic concepts of a game where the developers have verbally encouraged you to SWITCH YOUR loving CHARS YOU CUNTS.

terrified of my bathroom
Jan 24, 2014

GAY BOATS
its never a bad idea to learn at least one character from each role so you can play whatever your team needs

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Mercy and Lucio are boring to play but I am bad at aiming, what do for SUpport

Proposition Joe
Oct 8, 2010

He was a good man

Ciaphas posted:

Mercy and Lucio are boring to play but I am bad at aiming, what do for SUpport

You can play Mercy or Lucio. Or you can learn to aim.

Cervix-A-Lot
Sep 29, 2006
Cheeeeesy
This game is loving awful. That is all.

Gimnbo
Feb 13, 2012

e m b r a c e
t r a n q u i l i t y



Proposition Joe posted:

You can play Mercy or Lucio. Or you can learn to aim.

I do okay as Zenyatta even though my aim isn't exactly pro tier. The harmony and discord orbs are your main function and it's easy enough to just toss the hurty orbs at a big ol' tank or Reinhardt's shield.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Ciaphas posted:

Mercy and Lucio are boring to play but I am bad at aiming, what do for SUpport

winston and symmetra have lock-on guns

Father Wendigo
Sep 28, 2005
This is, sadly, more important to me than bettering myself.

My last competitive placement match an hour ago had a level 20 mic-less pubbie Mei on our team. We were playing CTF and we lost.

That level 20 pub deserved to be MVP. I have no idea who they are, but they made walls so well timed that I forgive them twice over for ult-freezing four times over five matches.

PS - gently caress you, bronze star slampick genji pubbie, I couldda started at Plat you gently caress.

The map didn't even favor him, Christ I have that guy.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


nevermind it turns out I'm an idiot goddamn savant at aiming zenyatta attacks

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

The aim was in you all along

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


be nice if the aim were in me when it really mattered e.g. on soldier or mccree but I'll take what I can get

Discospawn
Mar 3, 2007

Father Wendigo posted:

My last competitive placement match an hour ago had a level 20 mic-less pubbie Mei on our team. We were playing CTF and we lost.

That level 20 pub deserved to be MVP. I have no idea who they are, but they made walls so well timed that I forgive them twice over for ult-freezing four times over five matches.

PS - gently caress you, bronze star slampick genji pubbie, I couldda started at Plat you gently caress.

The map didn't even favor him, Christ I have that guy.


You must be at least level 25 before you can play competitive mode, so the pub definitely wasn't level 20. I believe you placed exactly where you should have been placed.

terrified of my bathroom
Jan 24, 2014

GAY BOATS
the other day i oneshot a soldier in his spawn with a fully charged shot the second the doors opened

orb boy is pretty good

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


I really don't like using charged shots just because of the delay on sending out orbs while you're recoiling or whatever

Verranicus
Aug 18, 2009

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Easy Mac posted:

This game is loving awful. That is all.

no its not

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Ciaphas posted:

I really don't like using charged shots just because of the delay on sending out orbs while you're recoiling or whatever
Yeah but what bonewitch said is too much fun to justify not doing it, plus its a nice "gently caress you" to Meis or Genjis.

bonewitch posted:

the other day i oneshot a soldier in his spawn with a fully charged shot the second the doors opened

orb boy is pretty good

terrified of my bathroom
Jan 24, 2014

GAY BOATS

Ciaphas posted:

I really don't like using charged shots just because of the delay on sending out orbs while you're recoiling or whatever

I hated it at first but then someone up thread posted about how the charge up time is the same length as dva matrix and genji deflect and I started using it there

Other than that just fish for one shots as you approach corners or whatnot

Supercar Gautier
Jun 10, 2006

I've seen people say Zen's M2 is worthless and that complaint doesn't make a lot of sense to me, because it's perfect for situations where you anticipate an enemy coming into view, or where the enemy is in a temporary "can't shoot this" state (particularly Mei, Reaper, D.va, and Genji).

Genjis in particular will pretty much always hit their deflect key as soon as they've been discorded, and that's your cue to start charging.

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010
So I've been playing again with the free weekend and OW is fun even if there's some design descisions I don't like, I've come to understand that say, only one loadout per character is probably in the best interest for the game balance wise.

Anyways, in TF2 I really liked Engineer, Scout, Pyro and Spy. To what I've seen, Spy doesn't have anyone remotely close and Tracer is kinda like a more burst mobility Scout (with less overall map mobility).

Torbjorn sort-of seems like Engineer, but with way less emphasis on a turret and that's all he has, so he seems only vaguely similar at best.

Pyro, I'm not sure. I assumed Mei was supposed to be like it at first, but Mei's classed as defense. Also stunning people is way less fun to play as/against then juggling people in the air and burning them to death. Is there anyone Pyro-y? It was my favorite class by far.

I saw in the career screen there was a "time on fire" clock but I don't see anyone who can do that unless it's part of Torbjorn's molten core or something???

Metos
Nov 25, 2005

Sup Ladies
Honestly the game just isn't tf2 and trying to draw counterparts doesn't really work as there's so many more characters than classes in tf2 and everyone is more like a specialised specific subset of a class rather than parallels.

Play around with everyone, you'll find characters you enjoy that really have nothing in common with how you play tf2 - I was a medic/demoman/spy player yet here I am in everyone faces melting them with the power of gravity as Zarya, or more recently playing a role that doesn't really exist in tf2 as Winston.

Discospawn
Mar 3, 2007

Anatharon posted:

I saw in the career screen there was a "time on fire" clock but I don't see anyone who can do that unless it's part of Torbjorn's molten core or something???

Being 'on fire' is a somewhat arbitrary concept that Blizzard put into the game that tracks whether you're doing very well by their standards or not. You can see the little meter in the bottom left of your HUD, and it will go up as you continue to do good things without dying, and once it hits a certain threshold you are 'on fire' (which is also shown on the TAB character overview screen by a flaming portrait background). It's arbitrary because different heroes seem to have different formulas for how quickly/easily they get to be on fire (I think Zenyatta is particularly egregious because he can do mediocre healing and damage and still catch on fire very quickly).

It has no impact on gameplay, and is kind of useless as a stat to track because you can easily be on fire without doing particularly well during a game (and vice-versa if you make key plays in between deaths or play certain heroes).

It has nothing to do with the status effect from TF2, but you'd have to be a mongoloid to be confused by that.

Gimnbo
Feb 13, 2012

e m b r a c e
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I always played Pyro in TF2 and my favorite characters are Pharah, Soldier 76, all the tanks except Roadhog (can't land them hooks) and the supports. I guess what you can take from this is that there's not really a Pyro class in this game.

The closest you could probably get to airblast/Reserver Shooter is juggling people around with Pharah.

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Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

The closest thing to a flamethrower in this game is Winston's lightning gun but obviously they play completely differently.

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