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AlphaKretin posted:JRPGs just inherit the term from their history of ripping off DnD, more often than not you're not actually playing a self-insert role like you tend to in WRPGs. I think the way JRPGs happened as a genre almost completely separate from western RPGs is kind of interesting. When DnD hit big in Japan, gamers there far preferred dungeon-crawling to more roleplay-focused campaigns. That then started manifesting in the early JRPGs like Dragon Quest being very different from contemporary western RPGs like Wizardry, and then became further removed until the point where the main programmer didn't even know what an RPG was, and just made a Dragon Quest competitor. Then of course Final Fantasy exploded, and the genre really blossomed out of attempts to copy that. When gaming developed further to the point they could start telling stories, while western RPGs still had tabletop roots strong enough that they started using them as a basis (Fallout started as a homebrew post-apocalyptic ruleset, while Elder Scrolls was one of the developers' campaign settings), JRPGs built up from scratch and came up with something entirely different. They've basically always been entirely different genres, they just happened to have the same roots. Although you could argue that in some areas they've started drifting closer; as far as story structure goes there's not much separating modern Shin Megami Tensei games from modern Bioware games. Cleretic has a new favorite as of 09:14 on Sep 11, 2016 |
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It was an obvious joke at a post that contrasted RPGs and Mario you loving nerds. Video game RPGs are pretty much the same across the board regardless of whether they're J or not. W/C/whatever RPGs just give you the ability to create a character that is functionally identical to any other character in terms of how the game plays out. Unless you're like that loving dork earlier in the thread who posted about how he likes to pretend to be Doctor Who when he plays Fallout.
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Sep 11, 2016 09:18
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GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:It was an obvious joke at a post that contrasted RPGs and Mario you loving nerds. Video game RPGs are pretty much the same across the board regardless of whether they're J or not. W/C/whatever RPGs just give you the ability to create a character that is functionally identical to any other character in terms of how the game plays out. Unless you're like that loving dork earlier in the thread who posted about how he likes to pretend to be Doctor Who when he plays Fallout. I am that loving dork. Except I didn't say that, I used Doctor Who as a comparison point for how I play a certain staple character of mine.
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Sep 11, 2016 09:23
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I think he's just called "the doctor." But, do you have a link to that post? That's crazy. E: oh poo poo waddup
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Sep 11, 2016 09:24
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Cleretic posted:I am that loving dork. Except I didn't say that, I used Doctor Who as a comparison point for how I play a certain staple character of mine. 
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Sep 11, 2016 09:26
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Maybe RPGs aren't for you if you can't handle that other people play games differently
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Sep 11, 2016 09:42
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There's a pretty big gulf between different playstyles and getting strangely uptight because the game doesn't accommodate specific roleplaying scenarios.
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Sep 11, 2016 09:46
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poptart_fairy posted:There's a pretty big gulf between different playstyles and getting strangely uptight because the game doesn't accommodate specific roleplaying scenarios. Look if I can't have all my sexualities, races and genders (including all those listed on my tumblr) the game programmers clearly are just hiding in their comfort zone and enforcing their definition of "the norm" on us.
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Sep 11, 2016 09:48
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Even if you pretend you're Doctor Who in Fallout, that has every bit as much impact on how the game actually plays out as pretending that Tidus is actually Doctor Who and Lulu and Rikku are secretly loving.
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poptart_fairy posted:There's a pretty big gulf between different playstyles and getting strangely uptight because the game doesn't accommodate specific roleplaying scenarios. Yeah, let me see about that 'specific roleplaying scenario.' Oh, here it is. "Sort of a Doctor Who-esque 'manic but benevolent' character. All this requires is that I be allowed to be both clever and a bit nuts. Even Oblivion managed that." Seems really hard for a loving sci-fi series to accommodate that! Leal posted:Look if I can't have all my sexualities, races and genders (including all those listed on my tumblr) the game programmers clearly are just hiding in their comfort zone and enforcing their definition of "the norm" on us. Why stop there, dipshit? If the developers allow any players to play a non-aryan non-male character, they're clearly trying to sneak messages of (((multiculturalism))) and (((feminism))) into what has always been and always should be a safe space for white men! We need to drive out these developers and ensure a safe space for our children. Join poptart_fairy's friendzone group today! GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:Even if you pretend you're Doctor Who in Fallout, that has every bit as much impact on how the game actually plays out as pretending that Tidus is actually Doctor Who and Lulu and Rikku are secretly loving. Play Fallout 2.
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poptart_fairy posted:There's a pretty big gulf between different playstyles and getting strangely uptight because the game doesn't accommodate specific roleplaying scenarios. My issue there was specifically that that character's playstyle, which is basically 'find something weird and interesting and pursue that', didn't look like it was going to be catered to in Fallout 4. It was a valid concern, the same approach failed in Mass Effect, but Fallout was especially very good for it historically, because it did present a lot of esoteric alternative solutions to things. I bought Fallout 4 anyway, and was proven right when the game had a grand total of one small area where you could pursue options beyond 'shoot something' and 'speech check' (and in many of those cases, 'speech check' meant 'shoot something but get more money for it'). For what it's worth, it was always an invalid comparison anyway, because the Doctor solves most things by talking at them, while I preferred to poke some weird thing in the corner of the room or somehow use my absurdly high Repair skill to solve the problem.
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Cleretic posted:My issue there was specifically that that character's playstyle, which is basically 'find something weird and interesting and pursue that', didn't look like it was going to be catered to in Fallout 4. It was a valid concern, the same approach failed in Mass Effect, but Fallout was especially very good for it historically, because it did present a lot of esoteric alternative solutions to things. Right, but you went on for multiple paragraphs about it without ever playing the game, hence why people thought it weird. "Find something weird and interesting and pursue that" has always been a staple of Bethesda games, so a Doctor Who tangent was...eh.
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Sep 11, 2016 09:57
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Why did I have to look for a Water-Chip in Fallout 1, I didn't care so why is it forcing me to? And having to look for a GECK and my tribe in 2 went against my headcanon as a vault-born champion boxer!
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Somfin posted:Play Fallout 2. I have and the game plays out the same regardless of what pretend scenarios I have going on in my head?????
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Somfin posted:Yeah, let me see about that 'specific roleplaying scenario.' Oh, here it is. "Sort of a Doctor Who-esque 'manic but benevolent' character. All this requires is that I be allowed to be both clever and a bit nuts. Even Oblivion managed that." Seems really hard for a loving sci-fi series to accommodate that! When did this become some sort of gamer gate rant, I'm responding to people acting like its some conspiracy by whitey to keep game protagonists white instead of changing the color values of their skin and not just they don't care and make them white cause for the most part thats their audience 
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GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:I have and the game plays out the same regardless of what pretend scenarios I have going on in my head????? Try playing a different character with a different skill set and respond to inputs differently. You might be surprised how much the game accommodates you! Croccers posted:Why did I have to look for a Water-Chip in Fallout 1, I didn't care so why is it forcing me to? And having to look for a GECK and my tribe in 2 went against my headcanon as a vault-born champion boxer! It's not the game's fault that you don't know the difference between 'personality' and 'motivation.' Leal posted:When did this become some sort of gamer gate rant, I'm responding to people acting like its some conspiracy by whitey to keep game protagonists white instead of changing the color values of their skin and not just they don't care and make them white cause for the most part thats their audience Cause and effect are wonderful things to examine. "Most of our protagonists have historically been white, and most of our audience is now white... obviously we should keep making white protagonists to accommodate them!" Somfin has a new favorite as of 10:06 on Sep 11, 2016 |
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Sep 11, 2016 10:03
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Somfin posted:Try playing a different character with a different skill set and respond to inputs differently. You might be surprised how much the game accommodates you! E: no matter how hard I play pretend, Fallout 2 will not let me enter the TARDIS and travel to another time on another planet
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Somfin posted:Cause and effect are wonderful things to examine. "Most of our protagonists have historically been white, and most of our audience is now white... obviously we should keep making white protagonists to accommodate them!" Well yeah, thats capitalism.
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Sombrero Guy, simmer down. you made your points about what u want. seriously, redtext callouts? that's incredibly bitchmade. if you're gonna start swinging at every person whose opinion you don't like, then don't keep derailing. I can't believe we're going back to the fallout 4 Dr Who bullshit. 
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e: You're right, and I'm sorry. e2: Those redtexts were there when I got here, I've bought exactly one avatar in my history on this site and that was for myself. And it wasn't this one. Somfin has a new favorite as of 10:26 on Sep 11, 2016 |
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Action Tortoise posted:Sombrero Guy, simmer down. you made your points about what u want. seriously, redtext callouts? that's incredibly bitchmade. if you're gonna start swinging at every person whose opinion you don't like, then don't keep derailing. Oh no I was red texted by someone from the SA Cards Against Humanity games who got sick of our in-jokes.
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Leal posted:So I have to ask, if they're just writing a person and not a racial person, why does it matter what color their skin is? Leal posted:When did this become some sort of gamer gate rant, I'm responding to people acting like its some conspiracy by whitey to keep game protagonists white instead of changing the color values of their skin and not just they don't care and make them white cause for the most part thats their audience Leal posted:Well yeah, thats capitalism.
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Goddamn, this is the "small things that annoy me in generally okay video games" thread. If you want to talk about how Nathan Drake kills people but the game treats it as okay and you notice how that doesn't mesh with the overall storytelling, there are other threads for that poo poo. This thread is, as of late, 1/4 people bringing up annoying things then the other 3/4 are people saying how racist or intolerant you are for not understanding how DEEP THE GAME IS AND HOW DARE YOU TALK poo poo ABOUT IT. I wish I had a better ending to this statement, but just loving jesus christ this is absolutely the worst place to bring that poo poo up. E: Looking at my bookmarked threads this used to be one of my favorites but is quickly becoming a thread I do not want to follow anymore. I don't read GBS threads for a reason. Xythe has a new favorite as of 15:55 on Sep 11, 2016 |
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So, there's a new end game area in World of Warcraft called Suramar - it's basically a high magic area where the elves there are living under the fist of demons. This sets up a great idea where you have to use stealth and disguises to get around, with frequent rooftop visits, but in practise you slap on a single disguise and pray the dozens of detection guards don't run into you from one of the hundreds of blind spots. You can't see how far a guard's detection radius is until they've actually detected you, and by that point it's too late; characters simply don't run fast enough to get out of the way unless you were halfway to escape in the first place. By itself this wouldn't be bad, but the city is one of the most densely populated locations in the entire game. When combat starts you'll be mobbed by seven hostile guards and more quickly join in due to how many AOE effects are going off. It's such a fantastic idea but the implementation is really, really hamstrung by lacking any "proper" stealth mechanics. GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:Oh no I was red texted by someone from the SA Cards Against Humanity games who got sick of our in-jokes. I was red texted for saying the exact opposite it implies, lol
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Back on topic, a thing that annoys me about Phoenix Wright games despite the fact that I overall love them, is that there is rarely a competent judge. Even if he turns out to be evil, give a unique judge. We've had heroic and villainous super-cops, super-defense attorneys and super-prosecutors, give a super-judge at some point. Someone who can call out the prosecutors on their nonsense in the same way as literally every other role has had a superhero/supervillain at least once. Von Karma tries her usual thing and ends up getting charged after the trial with assaulting the judge and contempt of court, and having to sit the game out in the Det Centre because the judge wants her out of the way for his ~schemes~ I don't know. Mix it up.
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BioEnchanted posted:Back on topic, a thing that annoys me about Phoenix Wright games despite the fact that I overall love them, is that there is rarely a competent judge. Even if he turns out to be evil, give a unique judge. We've had heroic and villainous super-cops, super-defense attorneys and super-prosecutors, give a super-judge at some point. Someone who can call out the prosecutors on their nonsense in the same way as literally every other role has had a superhero/supervillain at least once. Von Karma tries her usual thing and ends up getting charged after the trial with assaulting the judge and contempt of court, and having to sit the game out in the Det Centre because the judge wants her out of the way for his ~schemes~ I don't know. Mix it up. Have you played the fan translation of Investigations 2? Obviously it doesn't actually take place in the courtroom, but it has a unique judge as a character (and is a fantastic AA game in its own right).
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If I can get an emulator working I'll play it. THanks for the tip.
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Leal posted:Do you really want these white people who are apparently "Incapable of leaving their comfort zone" trying to write for a non white character? How would they even do that without being called racists or pandering? You get death threats for nerfing items in games already, why would this be any different? Also I'd love to play the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air or Urkel in a video game, so I'd welcome any attempts made as long as they manage to not hit the first stumbling block of giving every black character a permanently equipped basketball or watermelon.
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Thoughtless posted:The problem with Fallout 4 specifically doing that is that it's ostensibly an RPG, and in RPGs it's kinda important to not have dumb stuff forced on you, or it might ruin the whole RP aspect. It's a role playing game. You have a role to play. Ta da. Or: You are given a predicament, you are left to role play your way out of it. It's fine. Every game forces you into a story.
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RareAcumen posted:-Fresh Prince of Bel-Air why
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I read a thing by a game developer years ago that said they don't necessarily make grizzled white men with goatees the main character because that's all they know how to do, but because if they stray from that then players whinge, so they go with the character look that results in least whinging.steinrokkan posted:It's a role playing game. You have a role to play. Ta da.
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tbh nexusmods has make playing as a female character quite desirable over the past 10 years or so
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It's been a while since I lurked the awful/awesome mods thread, but I've always been amused about how every mod I've seen posted from the nexus has the most depraved pornagraphic content, but everything I've seen from dragonporn.com is the goofiest poo poo like summoning a bear with a lute playing power metal.
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I just go to whichever mod site has the latest "Phil the Sky" version.
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2house2fly posted:In that sense is every game with a playable character not a role playing game? Even I know not to engage with this line of argument. It's an unassailably pedantic stance based on a literal reading of the name of the genre. It wins by extracting all context and history from the terms. Turns out if you redefine every term in a discussion it's pretty easy to set up a win.
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Somfin posted:Even I know not to engage with this line of argument. It's an unassailably pedantic stance based on a literal reading of the name of the genre. It wins by extracting all context and history from the terms. Turns out if you redefine every term in a discussion it's pretty easy to set up a win. Are people seriously shocked that developers pre-roll aspects of your character for you instead of either accounting for every tiny possibility or making the game more shallow by ignoring aspects of your character entirely?
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steinrokkan posted:Are people seriously shocked that developers pre-roll aspects of your character for you instead of either accounting for every tiny possibility or making the game more shallow by ignoring aspects of your character entirely? Of course not, sweetie. Like I said, you won the argument, literally every game with a character in it is a "role playing" game no matter how many choices or decisions the player is allowed to make, there is no meaningful difference between XCOM, Pillars of Eternity, Bayonetta and Super Mario World, well done.
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Oh Jesus, you're right. I've put so little thought into this.
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It was just a bad example. If I were playing as the Fresh Prince I would expect and be offended if there wasn't a basketball. But if I were just playing as a random black person then you could complain if...OH MY GOD THE MAIN CHARACTER OF SYSTEM SHOCK 2 IS THE FRESH PRINCE! THAT EXPLAINS THE BASKETBALL!
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