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whydirt posted:I really want to see proliferate return in Aether Revolt. It's a sweet mechanic and we've never seen it in a +1/+1 counter environment. Synergy with energy counters is just a bonus. Energy doesn't work with proliferate, right? the counters aren't on a permanent.
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Wurzag posted:I wonder if Ashiok is an aetherborn walker, he doesn't look a million miles apart from these guys Ashiok has a mouth. Also, 
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Retromancer posted:Energy doesn't work with proliferate, right? the counters aren't on a permanent. you can proliferate counters on players
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Retromancer posted:Energy doesn't work with proliferate, right? the counters aren't on a permanent. much like poison counters, they are not on a permanent also, much like poison counters, they can be proliferated since proliferate says "and/or players"
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Retromancer posted:Energy doesn't work with proliferate, right? the counters aren't on a permanent. might wanna re-read proliferate
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Sep 12, 2016 18:56
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C-Euro posted:These look cool and all (especially the special frame) but I feel like an Expedition-style printing of a card already available in the set proper sets a really dangerous precedent that I can't describe.
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Sep 12, 2016 18:56
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Rip_Van_Winkle posted:Ashiok has a mouth.
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Sep 12, 2016 18:57
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i support the expidition stuff if it means cool old stuff gets reprinted, like mana crypt, in a way where only 1 in every 1000 drafts gets warped by someone opening it
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Sep 12, 2016 18:58
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Rip_Van_Winkle posted:Ashiok has a mouth. Close to Vines power level.
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Sep 12, 2016 18:58
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Rip_Van_Winkle posted:Ashiok has a mouth. Basically Vines without kicker. Or the ability to be a Green Counterspell.
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Sep 12, 2016 18:58
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Cernunnos posted:Basically Vines without kicker. it's instant, it can be a green counterspell
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Sep 12, 2016 19:00
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it is vastly worse than vines because of the lack of versatility  that said the primary mode of vines is still pretty good
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Sep 12, 2016 19:01
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mandatory lesbian posted:it's instant, it can be a green counterspell you can't do the funny thing where you target your opponent's ornithopter in response to modular after your opponent sacs ravager though
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Sep 12, 2016 19:02
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mandatory lesbian posted:it's instant, it can be a green counterspell I meant in that weird way that Vines can be, where your opponent goes to pump their stuff and you cast Vines to counter it. You are correct though. That was just the first thought through my head.
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Sep 12, 2016 19:03
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Speaking of which, where IS ornithopter in this set?
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Sep 12, 2016 19:03
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Cernunnos posted:I meant in that weird way that Vines can be, where your opponent goes to pump their stuff and you cast Vines to counter it. oh right, i forgot it could do that also a sorcery that grants hexproof wouldn't be the most worthless card ever but it'd be pretty pointless, now that i think about it
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Sep 12, 2016 19:06
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mandatory lesbian posted:it's instant, it can be a green counterspell Hexproof can't counter your opponent's stuff like Vines sometimes can.
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JOHN CENA posted:Speaking of which, where IS ornithopter in this set? it's one of the inventions, much like memnite and spellskite will be, made by tezzeret
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JOHN CENA posted:Speaking of which, where IS ornithopter in this set? It'll be a masterwork.
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Sep 12, 2016 19:08
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No joke I'd be excited about a Masterwork Ornithopter with Da Vinci art.
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Sep 12, 2016 19:11
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At a rate of ~50 a block, how long before Wotc churns through most worthwhile reprints? There's obviously going to be a lot of chaff
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Rinkles posted:At a rate of ~50 a block, how long before Wotc churns through most worthwhile reprints? There's obviously going to be a lot of chaff considering they've already started throwing chaff in, they're clearly cognizant of that fact
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Rinkles posted:At a rate of ~50 a block, how long before Wotc churns through most worthwhile reprints? There's obviously going to be a lot of chaff Yeah, the idea seems cool but, 100 of them a year? Quick, name 200 different cards worthy of an expedition-style reprint.
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Rinkles posted:At a rate of ~50 a block, how long before Wotc churns through most worthwhile reprints? There's obviously going to be a lot of chaff the gearhulk cycle has already been confirmed to be printed in this set
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Entropic posted:Yeah, the idea seems cool but, 100 of them a year? I could, but about 40ish or so of them are Reserved Listed, soo....
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Sep 12, 2016 19:22
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Entropic posted:Yeah, the idea seems cool but, 100 of them a year? fallen empires style alternate art ravenous rats
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Sep 12, 2016 19:23
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the first printing of expeditions had shocklands, which are at least playable, but not expensive to get rtr printings of. there has always been expedition chaff
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Sep 12, 2016 19:24
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Entropic posted:Yeah, the idea seems cool but, 100 of them a year? The Bulk Vault - Pale Moon - Wintermoon Mesa - Keldon Battlewagon - Joven
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Rinkles posted:At a rate of ~50 a block, how long before Wotc churns through most worthwhile reprints? There's obviously going to be a lot of chaff Why would they only do each card once?
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I would not be surprised if we got a lot of playable-but-not-expensive cards as expeditions. Stuff like Elvish Visionary, Ponder, Blighted Agent etc. are cards that would appeal to some number of players just as a way to really bling out their decks.
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off top of head they could easily do tribal expeditions with goblin ringleader/wirewood symbiotic et al, enchantment expeditions with theros gods/necropotence/blood moon, legend expeditions with weatherlight crew and Kamigawa cards, etc. Think about the types of cards that are cheapish but commonly played, that whales will want the most expensive version of
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I, for one, think Wizards is absolutely loving me as a consumer by giving me more cool stuff to open in packs becauseEntropic posted:Yeah, the idea seems cool but, 100 of them a year? I think its pretty clear that these aren't going to be nearly as value-laden as Expeditions, which included nothing but Modern staples to begin with. I'd be very happy with a shiny Hangarback for an EDH deck 
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you open packs lmbo
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Jabor posted:I would not be surprised if we got a lot of playable-but-not-expensive cards as expeditions. Stuff like Elvish Visionary, Ponder, Blighted Agent etc. are cards that would appeal to some number of players just as a way to really bling out their decks. I expect some of this, and a LOT of EDH cards. EDH players love their bling and are a huge hidden casual market. People playing modern or whatever bitch about prices BUT THEN buy the cards and also typically play draft/standard/etc.
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i think that the market for the legacy playable cards with some early hard to find foiling shows that certain types really love goofy poo poo, but it's also really annoying trying to get actual cash for some of that goofier poo poo. theres plenty of stuff they can print in expeditions that people will be more or less happy to have but also you aren't going to be getting fat stacks for either unless you're willing to put in more work than you probably should
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Zoness posted:it is vastly worse than vines because of the lack of versatility I am thinking that this will see play in infect simply because its going to do more damage than vines does on average. It actually might take up slots from other cards like mutigenic growth and Apostle's Blessing in certain matchups. Good card.
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Sep 12, 2016 19:36
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Aether Vial is pretty much guaranteed
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rabidsquid posted:fallen empires style alternate art ravenous rats I'd be down for this too, more sweet pauper cards please.
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mcmagic posted:Those are either not very expensive or have been recently reprinted with the possible exception of maybe Bridge? Vial is 40 bucks and mm1 is not recent.
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mandatory lesbian posted:the gearhulk cycle has already been confirmed to be printed in this set Some of the Racecars will probably have Expeditions as well. But expeditions have nothing to do do with needed reprints. It increases the lottery ticket aspect of magic. Especially if most of them can hold value over 30 bucks until Aether Revolt.
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