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Is the Gespenst Haken good or should I toss him in the vaisaga?
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Sep 12, 2016 21:41
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Short answer: Yes. Long answer: The Vysaga is super good and he's one of the few people who can pilot it so putting Haken in it is a good idea. The Gespenst Haken is one of the best units available to your dodgy melee pilots as well, of which there's quite a few, so it is also worth using.
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Sep 12, 2016 21:54
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Yeah, the Gespenst Haken is the unit to give to someone who you want to use but who doesn't have a better unit to use. It's extremely good for basically anyone. Even tanky pilots can benefit because it's fairly durable and Aschen has Guard. The optimal pilot is probably Kai though.
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Sep 12, 2016 22:03
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The real question is whether you set All Correct or So Close Yet So Far as Haken's theme when he's in the Vysaga.
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Sep 12, 2016 23:57
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GilliamYaeger posted:The real question is whether you set All Correct or So Close Yet So Far as Haken's theme when he's in the Vysaga. Speaking of, is that BGM locked to NG+ like it was in 2nd? Because I can only find the orchestral version to set on the Vysaga...
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Sep 12, 2016 23:58
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Verranicus posted:I've finally ordered the PS3 Z games and they're set to arrive tomorrow, can someone give me a rundown on the villains of both games/the world ending scheme I'm trying to stop? Let's see - Z1: There's something called "dimension energy" that does all kinds of hosed up poo poo. There are twelve Zodiac-themed items of black technology called Spheres that generate lots of it. They're keyed to people, have different powers, and are unlocked by different emotions. Asakim Douwin is trying to collect them all like Highlander Dragonballs. History is a giant time-distorted cycle of identical wars and destruction designed by something called the taiji (the Asian concept of the fundamental cosmic energy) using Paradigm City as a vector and the Big Army as a catalyst. Large spacetime-fuckery events are anchored by people called Singularities and places called Grand Singularities that have the power to fix/rewrite reality when focused together. The Edel Bernal is aware of this and more and is trying to turn the world into a giant war zone to maximize his own personal Z2: Spheres have power levels. The people from Gurren-Lagann, Gundam 00, Dancouga Nova, Mazinger Z, Aquarion, and some other stuff have been trying to either protect humanity from or prepare them for some sort of huge oncoming event called "Ba'al." So have Gaioh, who is a "Dimensional General" who tries to turn the entire planet into his monster army, and Elgan Roddick, who is literally another The Edel but not a dickbag and totally cool (he got shot). Asakim has the Sphere of the Curious Goat and one more, and steals the False Black Sheep and Unending Water-Bearer. All of both ZEUTH (Z) and ZEXIS (Z2) have been made Singularities of something by some unknown intelligence. Current Sphere count: Scarred Lion (Land Travis) Sorrowful Maiden (Setsuko Ohara) Wavering Scales (Crowe Bruest) Curious Goat (Asakim Douwin) False Black Sheep (Asakim Douwin) Unending Water-Bearer (Asakim "BRBRBRBR WEEEOWWWW" Douwin) Did I miss anything? Caphi fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Sep 13, 2016 |
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Sep 13, 2016 01:45
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Caphi posted:Let's see - I think he's asking about the plot of Z3 in particular.
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Sep 13, 2016 01:49
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Yeah everything was going relatively ok until 3 when they just decided to throw in all their unused story concepts all at once for some reason. Except the coming and going of the Insalaum people between Z2-1 and Z2-2, that was really confusing.
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Sep 13, 2016 01:52
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Z3 is about a succession of space assholes who represent your DAD GOD GET OFF MY CASE AND LET ME LIVE MY OWN LIFE I HATE YOU, and the only superpowered nerd from /x/ (and his unbalanced teacher/girlfriend) who can show them the true meaning of love. I thought he was asking for the background he needs going into Z3 so that's what I wrote up real fast.
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Sep 13, 2016 01:54
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If only 3 was just about Asakim collecting all the zodiac powers and becoming a mad god, and maybe the shinka stuff too, everything would have been fine.
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Sep 13, 2016 01:58
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When you excise all the extraneous bullshit in Z3 it's mostly about how one jackass wants to gather the Spheres and use their power to become a god. Unfortunately there is a lot of extraneous bullshit.
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Sep 13, 2016 01:58
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"Hey guys I wrote another four binders of plot for the Z series, we've got enough games to use all of it, right?... Wait, what do you mean it's the last one?" It feels like Xenosaga, except Z got 5 games instead of 3 and it is even more of a disjointed mess.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:08
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The extraneous bullshit is the second best part of Z3. Any given Sidereal commander or subcommander is a zillion times more interesting than the Envoys. (Except Dead Space, who had a rad as hell unit concept that was completely wasted on a drab edgelord, and even then his sister was more interesting.)
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Sep 13, 2016 02:09
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GimmickMan posted:It feels like Xenosaga, except Z got 5 games instead of 3 and it is even more of a disjointed mess. Hey, now, let's not go crazy here.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:09
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Is it worth playing the Z series? I'm currently knee deep into Alpha 1 and I already watched the archive LP of Alpha Gaiden.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:09
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Honestly if they'd just started the BIG DRAMA PLOT in part 1 instead of wasting their time loving around with Gadlight they'd probably be better off.heavybassX posted:Is it worth playing the Z series? I'm currently knee deep into Alpha 1 and I already watched the archive LP of Alpha Gaiden. Z is one of the absolute top-notch SRWs. Z2-1 and 2-2 are kind of firmly mid-tier. Z-3 is mostly excellent with a weak protagonist and low difficulty. Z3-2 kinda sucks.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:10
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Z1 is still one of the best games of the last decade.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:10
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heavybassX posted:Is it worth playing the Z series? I'm currently knee deep into Alpha 1 and I already watched the archive LP of Alpha Gaiden. Z is fantastic. Z2 is okay. Z3.1 is solid. Z3.2 is extremely eh. I just give it a lot of poo poo because it's very full of itself for being so eh.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:11
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Z3 has some really cool ideas. I like the idea of your protagonists basically ACTUALLY ascending to godhood and fighting on an entirely new scale but the execution ended up being wanting and it is way, way, way too up its Original rear end and neglects the anime canon series way too loving hard.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:13
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Brunom1 posted:Hey, now, let's not go crazy here. Edit: despite beginning to descend into chaos, Z2-2 is my favorite of the series.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:13
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Z3.2 has some specific extremely amazing moments, though, like the revelation that the dumb optional scenes with the dumb mascot character in the intermissions of both Z3 games are actually an extremely critical plot point that goes all the way back to key plot twists in Z1.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:15
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I'm not going to even try to defend Xenosaga 2 but 3 is the one that had to condense 4 games into 1 and not only does it somehow make sense but it still has room for character arcs.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:21
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Z2 may not be all that as a game but it's still the high water mark in terms of OG villains.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:22
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So play Z1 as soon as I can, ok I can take a look when I get time.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:23
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Pureauthor posted:Z2 may not be all that as a game but it's still the high water mark in terms of OG villains. Z2.2 had like four OG bosses, one of them was bound to be decent.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:24
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ImpAtom posted:Z3 has some really cool ideas. I like the idea of your protagonists basically ACTUALLY ascending to godhood and fighting on an entirely new scale but the execution ended up being wanting and it is way, way, way too up its Original rear end and neglects the anime canon series way too loving hard. The problem to me was that it seemed like they didn't have enough anime stories left to tell so they had to add way too many stages fighting the original enemies or just a combination of generic space monsters. And the fact that we didn't get to see mechs for the rest of the zodiac is a travesty.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:25
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Ethiser posted:And the fact that we didn't get to see mechs for the rest of the zodiac is a travesty. It's really just Fish Robot, Goat Robot, and Centaur Robot, and despite being Pisces myself, I'm not too broken up about it, especially given the powers they gave Fish and Goat. And the Archer Standing Firm is a pretty lame superpower to give a hero, too, dramatically speaking. On the other hand, have you seen the Quarreling Twins' Reaction, and they gave that deflated party balloon two whole games.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:30
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It's odd, because the Spheres were a perfect excuse to make a bunch of quirky characters with unique special abilities, they could have just used those to do cool stuff and move the plot of the games along. But then they made a new set of themed characters and reduced half the spheres to character-less plot devices. It's like they didn't know what they wanted to do. Also the whole Zodiac thing made the Spheres cool to everyone who looked for a bit of self insertion in these games. You'd think a game company would be aware of how powerful a thing like that is before they throw it away.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:36
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As a Leo I immediately...chose Setsuko first in 1 since I usually chose reals first anyway.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:39
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They blew their story load with zero in z2 and the anti spiral in z3.1.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:41
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Samurai Sanders posted:As a Leo I immediately...chose Setsuko first in 1 since I usually chose reals first anyway.  I'm a Virgo but my love for cool Supers makes me always go with Land's path... plus, I prefer his series list.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:41
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The Spheres went pretty downhill over Z's lifetime, really.
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Will I still enjoy Z even if i don't recognize most of the mecha?
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Sep 13, 2016 05:35
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Charlie Bobson posted:Will I still enjoy Z even if i don't recognize most of the mecha? I think so. And you'll learn to appreciate some ones you may not have given a chance before. <3 God Sigma.
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Sep 13, 2016 05:58
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Charlie Bobson posted:Will I still enjoy Z even if i don't recognize most of the mecha?
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Sep 13, 2016 06:07
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Charlie Bobson posted:Will I still enjoy Z even if i don't recognize most of the mecha? I want to say that I usually use Super Robot Wars to introduce me to stuff that looks interesting, but I noticed that doesn't tend to turn out well. But it might for you.
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Sep 13, 2016 07:14
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The next Gundam Versus is for PlayStation 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5QaPe6YDFo
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Sep 13, 2016 09:20
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Z made me really want to watch Baldios and God Sigma.
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Sep 13, 2016 09:48
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Policenaut posted:The next Gundam Versus is for PlayStation 4. edit: I suppose more importantly, is the PS4 going to be the primary platform and not arcades? Are arcades finally dead in Japan?
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Sep 13, 2016 09:51
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This thing seems like it'll be existing independently of Maxi Boost On. It's probably for the best because wow porting Full Boost from the arcades to the PS3 really did not work out great for the game.
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