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Yaws posted:It's hilarious that people think this guy is being sincere. You dimwits are being 'trolled' and by mocking the OP, you're falling into his trap. Every time you insult him or give him words of encouragement, you make him stronger. He's probably laughing his tits off right now. Trolling is a fake idea, Goofus. It doesn't make much difference if he's 'laughing on the inside' when, in both his public and private interactions, he's a consummate sulky sadbrain. The true accomplishment would be to simply make good art & posts. On the outside.
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Actually, the phrase was "laughing his tits off."
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Sep 12, 2016 23:03
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Good job OP, love this stuff. Obviously it's not going to be to everyone's liking but this is a forum where comic book movies regularly have hundreds of pages of discussion, so I wouldn't fret over it. I thought it was incredibly thought-provoking, and if everyone posting the same white noise poo poo actually took the time to try and create a piece of art half as good as yours the world would be a much better place. Bravo.
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Warm und Fuzzy posted:Actually, the phrase was "laughing his tits off." Same diff. It's like Yaws' assertion that he's laughing really hard while simultaneously vomiting with disgust. There's nothing in the actual form of the writing that conveys these things, so he's reduced to blankly explaining what a troll is. A troll is a magical creature. I'm vomiting. Yaws is preoccupied with the idea of being overcome with laughter in the same way OP is preoccupied with the idea of being supremely talented. The truth is that OP is deploying a variation on the ol' Sovereign Citizen logic, where if he uses certain codes, he can unlock a hidden status. In the words of Dr. Gene Ray, OP has been "educated stupid" - effectively taught that artistry comes from having a disease, and thorough citations . Not from, y'know, actually using his chosen media to communicate. All he's currently communicating is that he's completely given up, but still feels entitled to some reward.
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You're doing good. If I understand correctly, the intent of the thread is to insult the OP hard enough that he crawls under his bed and dies, completing Gregor's arc from Die Verwandlung, and freeing his family from burden and embarrassment. Edit: Gregor in the book can't communicate either. Warm und Fuzzy fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Sep 13, 2016 |
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Sep 13, 2016 00:22
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Even if that were the case, he's skipped over the actual metamorphosis part. And OP himself isn't actually identified with the 'glitch' in the film.
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Basebf555 posted:Right, but maybe if you recorded a hundred people saying "bless you", edited them together into a big montage, and played it at an art exhibit while you stand there sneezing, it would be awesome? I dunno, I'm no artist. I think it would be more impactful to record a hundred people taking a dump and groaning and farting, edit all that together into a continuous chorus of misery, and at the end wipe your rear end and throw the used toilet paper into the audience like a brown and white bouquet e: alternatively have a hundred guys jerk off into the tank of a super soaker and at showtime squirt it over the audience Flesh Forge fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Sep 13, 2016 |
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Sep 13, 2016 01:17
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This discussion kinda reminds me of This House Has People in It, one of Adult Swim's "Infomercial" shorts. It's about a girl falling through the floor (in a bit of a computer-glitch-like manner) while her family initially reacts with disgust at her behavior. But it's kind of interesting so maybe it doesn't belong in this thread.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:05
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I dig this. It's like surreal folk art or anti-art.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Even if that were the case, he's skipped over the actual metamorphosis part. And OP himself isn't actually identified with the 'glitch' in the film. I think the metamorphosis happened his senior year in college, right before he got put on academic probation (Gregor got fired). The glitch is Gregor's disability that keeps him shut in his room and the reason everyone's happy when he dies. In other words, the OP's personality. The only problem I see is Gregor was the breadwinner before he became a burden on his family. So the metamorphosis story is really about your parents getting ill, and not a college kid who may have been a burden even before his transformation. But anyway, if this thread plays out like the book, someone will have to point out that his sister's looking pretty hot in the final post.
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Sep 13, 2016 02:13
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This movie is better than BvS, Star Wars Prequels, Transformers, and AvP.
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Basebf555 posted:Right, but maybe if you recorded a hundred people saying "bless you", edited them together into a big montage, and played it at an art exhibit while you stand there sneezing, it would be awesome? I dunno, I'm no artist. the difference between a lame idea and a great one is willingness to take it an extra step further, and the OP felt that putting any sincere effort into the execution of his nine-year thesis would show an unacceptable level of Care.
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Warm und Fuzzy posted:I think the metamorphosis happened his year in college, right before he got put on academic probation (Gregor got fired). The glitch is Gregor's disability that keeps him shut in his room and the reason everyone's happy when he dies. In other words, the OP's personality. But that's on the level of plot content. In formal terms, OP's perspective is the detached god's-eye perspective. He's putting himself in the shoes of a god - or 'society' - characterized by indifference. OP's message is that he doesn't care about Gregor, or about himself. Moreover, that nobody should care. OP 'used to be like that', but now he's on the winning team. He's an Artist. He's Picasso. And the people crowded around the door, who must care about Gregor to some extent, are presented with disdain. Can't those compassionate idiots see that everything is meaningless and nothing matters? But note that Gregor doesn't even open the door. He just assumes that people despise him. And the lengthy 'takes' succeed only at deterring the audience from identifying with those concerned townsfolk. That was the goal behind the "abrasion", after all, wasn't it? to crush our spirits. To prevent us from ever caring. To spread indifference like a sickness and punish goodwill. So that's the narrative, Gregor simply wallows in self-pity until he dies - at which point he 'boards the streetcar' and returns as an 'enlightened' nihilist-god who confirms that he deserved it. But the real question is why Gregor, having become a god, continually returns to this bedroom, to stare blankly at himself. The narrative is circular. It keeps happening. So it's as though he's trying to convince himself of something. He's making a concerted effort to not-care. Putting all the powers of a god into not-caring. He could have animated a beautiful woman, or Sonic's dick, but instead he chose this. In the end, the "abrasion" failed. Nobody sat through the whole thing. Everyone turned it off, fast-forwarded, skipped to the end... We all sided with the townsfolk against this reactionary garbage. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Sep 13, 2016 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:In the end, the "abrasion" failed. Nobody sat through the whole thing. Everyone turned it off, fast-forwarded, skipped to the end... We all sided with the townsfolk against this reactionary garbage. Wrong
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Sep 13, 2016 04:39
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Someone now needs to spend 9 years of their life watching this animation on loop constantly. That would make this all even more artistic.
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Sep 13, 2016 04:50
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I don't believe that for even a second.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:the difference between a lame idea and a great one is willingness to take it an extra step further, and the OP felt that putting any sincere effort into the execution of his nine-year thesis would show an unacceptable level of Care. This is close to the truth. I didn't think my audience was worthy of getting what they want.
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your audience had the sense to skip the video when they saw it contained nothing of value and is having a bit of fun calling you a jagoff for your personal demeanor before moving on to more worthwhile pursuits, but you can never get your life back, not even the span of it you spent posting here. You were too afraid to try for anything worthwhile, because that carried the possibility you might fail, and so wasted your time on garbage and told yourself that made you smarter than everyone else.
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Sep 13, 2016 11:46
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Doredrin posted:This is close to the truth. I didn't think my audience was worthy of getting what they want. You don't get to decide that, I don't think you "get" art.
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Sep 13, 2016 14:38
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The title of this thread is misleading because most of this time OP only thought about doing a project.
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Doredrin posted:This is close to the truth. I didn't think my audience was worthy of getting what they want. No, the truth is that you wanted your audience to stare at a picture of a squirrel for half an hour. Then you sabotaged yourself. You made a picture unworthy of being watched by anyone, for any amount of time. You are now rationalizing that failure, telling yourself that you planned it all along.
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It's amusing to me that the OP's professor directed Delgo.
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Doredrin posted:This is close to the truth. I didn't think my audience was worthy of getting what they want. So you're plan as an artist is to figure out what your potential audience would want, and then purposely avoid giving it to them? Enjoy never moving out of your parents house.
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Basebf555 posted:So you're plan as an artist is to figure out what your potential audience would want, and then purposely avoid giving it to them? Enjoy never moving out of your parents house. I'm sure his parents will get sick of carrying him eventually.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm sure his parents will get sick of carrying him eventually. Or die, and have nothing to leave him because he spent his entire life on their dime.
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RFC2324 posted:Or die, and have nothing to leave him because he spent his entire life on their dime. The standard plan in that scenario is to sell the house, use part of the proceeds for a trailer, then put away the rest and try drink yourself to death before it runs out.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:So that's the narrative, Gregor simply wallows in self-pity until he dies - at which point he 'boards the streetcar' and returns as an 'enlightened' nihilist-god who confirms that he deserved it. Gregor doesn't "board the streetcar". He dies at the end of the story and his family takes a streetcar ride without him and thinks about how much better their life is going to be without him.
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Doredrin posted:Gregor doesn't "board the streetcar". He dies at the end of the story and his family takes a streetcar ride without him and thinks about how much better their life is going to be without him. Nope, there's nothing in the form of your clip-show to indicate that.
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Gregor represents Kafka and Gregor's family represents Kafka's works e: OP, do you think your project would be appreciated more had someone stumbled upon it after you had passed away rather than if you had put it out there yourself? Macnult fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Sep 13, 2016 |
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Sep 13, 2016 22:19
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I don't really "get" art. But I can't believe the OP compared himself to Van Gogh.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Nope, there's nothing in the form of your clip-show to indicate that. If you read the novella you would know that happened. It follows the original story extremely closely.
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Doredrin posted:If you read the novella you would know that happened. It follows the original story extremely closely. U made a short film not a novella ya dork
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Doredrin posted:If you read the novella you would know that happened. It follows the original story extremely closely. So you haven't made a standalone art piece, you've made some poor quality images to add into the book.
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Doredrin posted:If you read the novella you would know that happened. It follows the original story extremely closely. I am not talking about the novella. I am talking about the form of your adaptation. For example: you refer to the characters, in your posts, as 'a family' because that was the case in the novella. However, you did absolutely nothing to establish any sort of familial relationship between the characters in your adaptation. As a result - specifically because of the lack of familial traits - the characters read as random townsfolk. Perhaps the bearded man is the police commissioner or mayor, called in to investigate this situation. Remember that you changed the insect into a computer glitch, and changed the setting to Toronto in the latter half of the 20th century (long after Kafka's death, in other words). And you removed the part where the character metamorphoses into a bug - which is why the metamorphosis of the title is now implicitly the death and ascension. Your clip-show is not the same as the book at all.
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Sep 14, 2016 00:28
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This is some next-level primo black belt post-ironic trolling. Truly the finest I've ever tasted.
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Who trolls the trollmen 
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Voted 5. This thread's on a roll.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I am not talking about the novella. I am talking about the form of your adaptation. It would be quite clear to any reader who was familiar with the events of the novella that my film was a faithful adaptation in the same vein as the Lord of the Rings live action movies.
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Doredrin posted:It would be quite clear to any reader who was familiar with the events of the novella that my film was a faithful adaptation in the same vein as the Lord of the Rings live action movies.
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Doredrin posted:It would be quite clear to any reader who was familiar with the events of the novella that my film was a faithful adaptation in the same vein as The Hobbit live action movies. FTFY.
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