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Jack of Hearts posted:It's also interesting that pseudo-Trots (?? My totally Wikipedia-based impression of WWP) of that era regarded Khrushchev as Stalinist. marcy and co are interesting in that they starts out as trotskyists in the swp(us) and drift more leninist as time goes on. but yes, one of the two marxist-leninist currents dominant in the US regards khrushchev as a marxist-leninist as well, albeit one on the 'capitalist road', to borrow from mao. Jack of Hearts posted:I learned a new vocab word from your post, so that's cool. But from Googling around it seems like settlerism is regarded as a particular form of colonialism? Was the settlerist USSR therefore colonialist to you? Overall? it could have been, though i noted several examples in that post of non-settlerist population transfers of russians to other areas. similar things happen in the united states - was the black population 'settlerist' when moving north after the civil war and the failure of reconstruction? its a question that probably requires more indepth analysis on specific soviet policy trends and their impacts across multiple decades.
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Mofabio posted:this thread's got 10x more stalinist accusations than it does anything interesting to say about that period If HRC executed Tim Kaine, Barrack Obama, Marco Rubio, Donald Trump, GW Bush and assassinated Bernie sanders in Mexico during her reign no I don't think any number of economic growth would make ezra klein write op-eds to defend her Typo fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Sep 13, 2016 |
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didnt ezra klein write op eds defending dangerous working conditions after the factory collapse in bangladesh in the name of Progress
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oh no lol that was matty
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:oh no lol that was matty He got enough poo poo about that gross loving mess that he apologised about it recently lol https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/769266304570318848
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Bryter posted:He got enough poo poo about that gross loving mess that he apologised about it recently lol lol drat. matty blocked me on twitter 
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Karl Barks posted:lol drat. matty blocked me on twitter https://twitter.com/deep_beige/status/769255024551727104
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:oh no lol that was matty Umm the article is completely valid for obvious reasons.
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asdf32 posted:Umm the article is completely valid for obvious reasons. smdh
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asdf32 posted:Umm the article is completely valid for obvious reasons. looks like those circuits are loving up again mate
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http://ottumwaradio.com/grooms-wont-see-prison-time/ Just a reminder that the rich in America today are free to film themselves smiling while raping children, while working class ephebophile's are paraded and assaulted on national television. Yay, let's keep voting for the status quo! By which I mean the inexorable slow slide towards living hell. I can only hope that the utter catastrophes and terrible suffering most people will go through at the hands of the super rich will wake them the gently caress up to what is going on. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jeezy Creezy
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Those who use the word 'ephebophile' unironically will be
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I wouldn't usually, but I thought it was important to make a distinction between someone who rapes a 1-year-old, and someone who gets taken in by a 19 year old actress pretending to be an age that would be consensual in many developed countries around the world. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The Saurus posted:I wouldn't usually, but I thought it was important to make a distinction between someone who rapes a 1-year-old, and someone who gets taken in by a 19 year old actress pretending to be an age that would be consensual in many developed countries around the world. lol
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Wait until The Saurus finds out about British Parliament.
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The Saurus posted:http://ottumwaradio.com/grooms-wont-see-prison-time/ You are using this as an argument to vote for a corrupt billionaire who has no interest in helping anybody outside of his economic class. Also I'm incredibly unsurprised to learn that you're an apologist for sex offenders. 
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Majorian posted:You are using this as an argument to vote for a corrupt billionaire who has no interest in helping anybody outside of his economic class. *pushes up glasses* Actually, mate, if you look up the age of consent in Spain on wikipedia...
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The Saurus posted:while working class ephebophile's are paraded and assaulted on national television. every day, innocent working american citizens who merely want to gently caress children are mistreated by the government that is sworn to protect them, but with your donation
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psl are splitters. nambla is the only scientific revolutionary party today
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and we all know which candidate donated to nambla
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Peel posted:psl are splitters rude
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Peel posted:psl are splitters. nambla is the only scientific revolutionary party today loving the underaged is an inextricable aspect of praxis according to gramsci, you damned trot. (i don't know that for a fact, i'm just guessing from his picture)
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The Saurus posted:working class ephebophile namechange pls mods
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Bryter posted:namechange pls mods No don't, I want to come back as that after I lose my toxx.
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Bryter posted:namechange pls mods "a working class ephebophile is something to be~"
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real Q: why is the green party the main left protest option? the same is the case in the uk and i'm told in australia too becoming the left protest option seems like an achievable goal for a socialist party but it seems like around the anglosphere people jump straight to crystal woo instead
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Peel posted:real Q: why is the green party the main left protest option? the same is the case in the uk and i'm told in australia too My first instinct is because theres a weird hierarchy of throwing your vote away to a "viable" inviable candidate instead of an inviable inviable one
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Peel posted:real Q: why is the green party the main left protest option? the same is the case in the uk and i'm told in australia too Because sometimes the only other people against the bad things are also really into dumb things
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Part of it is that the socialism expressed in this thread is exclusively for goddamn nerds. - "Hey guys, why is this in the party platform?" - "Well, you wouldn't need to ask if you had read Engels's letter to Marx from May 1871..." Now, I'm a goddamn nerd myself, so I'm not gonna throw stones. But that's not ideal even for recruiting a vanguard, let alone a popular front.
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yeah but that's because this is the defacto socialism thread on a nerd forum. but it doesn't even have to be revolutionary socialism, like on the european continent you have your KKE but you also have groups like die linke or front de gauche. while in the anglophone first world you're stuck with 'we like trees and hate medical science, so I guess we're implicitly left because kkkorporations are the opposite' paging DOCTOR ZIMBARDO we are talking about currently existing socialist politics rather than holodomor vs. the bengal famine or whatever.
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Peel posted:real Q: why is the green party the main left protest option? the same is the case in the uk and i'm told in australia too Well, as it turns out, communist parties in the West have been subject to relentless state violence for 150 years! In the meantime you have the national Green party, which doesn't particularly threaten the state because its only activites are electoral and it engages in virtually no organizing or agitation outside of the presidential race. Even then, it is often targetted by the red scare propaganda but nobody really cares because they (correctly, for now at least) see that the Green Party is not an electoral contender and (unlike PSL) it's not particularly strongly related to any social movement organizations. Edit: Though local green parties can be sort of a different situation, like the DC Statehood Independence Green Party, which is what I am in, which is also the party (PSL VP nom) Eugene Puryear has run in in local races in the past. DOCTOR ZIMBARDO fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:Well, as it turns out, communist parties in the West have been subject to relentless state violence for 150 years! How about using greens as a gateway for radicalizing?
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Error 404 posted:How about using greens as a gateway for radicalizing? i'm ready for radical communism
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Error 404 posted:How about using greens as a gateway for radicalizing? i'm being radicalized by greens for sure #420blazeit
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Condiv posted:i'm ready for radical communism I dont mean nerds arguing century old grudges, I mean actual workers.
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Error 404 posted:How about using greens as a gateway for radicalizing? I think it happens. As I just mentioned, PSL candidates run on a Green ticket in some areas. But there's a difference between taking advantage of some other comrades' institutional whatever and building your own from scratch. I don't know the internal thoughts of PSL but no doubt its a priority.
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Error 404 posted:I dont mean nerds arguing century old grudges, I mean actual workers. Workers are voting trump
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Jk workers arent voting, they cant afford to take a half day off
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Decades of red scare paranoia and billionaire propaganda tend to have a dampening effect on socialist politics in the United States. Eugene Debbs himself had to run from prison at the height of the SPUSA. American electoral politics cater almost exclusively to Middle Class values, and I think part of the reason leftist politics are experiencing a surge lately has mostly to do with how an entire generation is being shut out of the path to consumer contentment their parents and grandparents enjoyed. The Green Party operates as the default left alternative, because they're the only lefty third party that gets any kind of mainstream exposure. Who knows how long that can last though.
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