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Alder
Sep 24, 2013

I'm excited for FeMC for DR3 and the other cast members look nice too. Hoping for a new villain too.

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Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

I unironically can't wait to get attached to more cool character who will all die horribly.

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world


Wow I did not notice Kaede's musical motifs at all last night. Assuming they still have talents, getting an mc with a "real" talent will be interesting for once

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
All of the new characters in DR3 look really bad except the mc

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world


Baal posted:

All of the new characters in DR3 look really bad except the mc

i dunno i think this guy's alright

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
how can you hate the robot ninja?

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
I've seen better Robot Ninja in Metal Gear and his dumb face does not endear me to him

voltcatfish posted:

i dunno i think this guy's alright



This dude looks like nothing

Alfalfa The Roach
Oct 13, 2012

You need to be a badass first.
What about the witch girl and the cartoony midget, they're cool

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Okay Witch Girl gets a pass, the lovely midget does not.

Dessel
Feb 21, 2011

Chiaki being the mastermind would kind of make sense in that a SHSL Gamer is responsible for designing all the killing games since they haven't happened yet (Student Council doesn't count).

Coffee Mugshot
Jun 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Dessel posted:

Chiaki being the mastermind would kind of make sense in that a SHSL Gamer is responsible for designing all the killing games since they haven't happened yet (Student Council doesn't count).

It really seems like Chiaki is the only person who could have made DR2, minus the monokuma virus parts. A game about living together forever as friends even after the greatest, most tragic event in human history.

lotus circle
Dec 25, 2012

Jushure Iburu
So don't worry
Chiaki knows how to play games, not how to make them. Alter Ego is the one who created Neo World Program using technology left behind by Chihiro and Matsuda, alongside Miaya who oversought the therapeutic aspect.

Wyvernil
Mar 10, 2007

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

voltcatfish posted:

Wow I did not notice Kaede's musical motifs at all last night. Assuming they still have talents, getting an mc with a "real" talent will be interesting for once

Seeing as this new school is apparently a reform school, I'm guessing that Kaede's "thing to set the protagonist apart from the rest of the class" is that she's innocent.

Maybe she was supposed to go to the "real" Hope's Peak that might have reopened years after the end of DR3, but she ended up at the Gifted Inmates' Academy by mistake. This new school may be where they send all the crazies and criminals now, since they don't want another Junko getting into the school to ruin everything again. The idea would be to quarantine the students most at risk to being corrupted by despair, so they can be reformed and given hope.

So the protagonist is stuck with a group of delinquents, criminals, and crazies, and she has no idea what she did to end up here. Finding out why she's here might be an important plot point.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Kirigiri being killed off for real is seriously upsetting me. She was great.

:negative:

IceBorg
Oct 23, 2012

I KINDA DOUBT THAT!

Grouchio posted:

Kirigiri being killed off for real is seriously upsetting me. She was great.

:negative:

There's still hope! Believe in Seiko, she will prove that she didn't die in vain!

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
jesus, no more hope and despair please.

Wyvernil
Mar 10, 2007

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

IceBorg posted:

There's still hope! Believe in Seiko, she will prove that she didn't die in vain!

Seriously, I know a Chekhov's Gun when I see it. They wouldn't have focused on that bottle, while having Seiko lament that she couldn't save anyone, if it wasn't going to come up again.

Unless that Cure-W resurfaces in a different context, I'm not going to lose hope.

Besides, the survivor counter dropped from nine to six, and four deaths happened in Episode 9. Either Miaya doesn't count due to being a robot, or one of those deaths wasn't real. And if Monaca really had no idea who the mastermind was, then perhaps the mastermind didn't know about her, either (and thus had no reason to exclude her from the survivor count).

Speaking of the survivor counter, I had a thought. Due to Hagakure's status on the outside, we've been wondering whether or not there's a hidden participant. But we've only got two episodes left in Future arc, so if there is a hidden participant it would have to be the mastermind.

So what if Hagakure actually was the sixteenth person, but he got removed from the survivor count because he got locked outside and was no longer participating in the game (even though he was still alive)? But the counter dropped from 16 to 15 which would suggest... Chisa wasn't actually dead. And if she's the mastermind, that would be a plausible way for her to fool us into thinking her death was real.

The only issue with Chisa faking her death would be that Munakata stabbed her body. Yet the survivor count did not go down after he did that, which would suggest the body is a fake.

lotus circle
Dec 25, 2012

Jushure Iburu
So don't worry
Not only did Munakata stab the body, but Kirigiri investigated it. If the body wasn't Chisa, then I think Kirigiri would have found that out. My assumption is anyone in the OP is counted to the total, meaning Hagakure is counted as one of the 6 even though he's outside the game arena (though that does bring Ruruka's NG Code into question - does Hagakure being outside when it begins not count to her forbidden action?)

Though I do have a thought now. Let's assume Chisa isn't the mastermind - could it be she died first because the mastermind knew she was a despair remnant? The idea right now is that the brainwashing video is creating multiple attackers who see the video and kill under its affects. However, Chisa is already a despair remnant and could be immune to a new video due to the alterations to her brain. Therefore she would have to be the first victim, because she could potentially cause the game to end if she chose not to kill.

If this is right, then the only people who could be the mastermind are Tengan and/or Mitarai. Tengan obviously knew Chisa was a despair remnant all this time, while Mitarai could likely come to assume that fact due to asking Chisa to save Nanami and Komaeda back then.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Tired Moritz posted:

jesus, no more hope and despair please.

this sounds like despair talk to me

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

BTW where can I find the thread where the forum discredited the JUNKO meme during the lets play years ago?

Wyvernil
Mar 10, 2007

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

lotus circle posted:

Not only did Munakata stab the body, but Kirigiri investigated it. If the body wasn't Chisa, then I think Kirigiri would have found that out.

Maybe Kirigiri did figure out the body was fake. That might explain why Hina was able to use her notebook to figure out who the attacker was.

That or Chisa was pretending to be dead and switched in the fake body after Kirigiri left.

lotus circle posted:

My assumption is anyone in the OP is counted to the total, meaning Hagakure is counted as one of the 6 even though he's outside the game arena (though that does bring Ruruka's NG Code into question - does Hagakure being outside when it begins not count to her forbidden action?)

:wth:

You might actually be on to something here. I think that's the proof that Hagakure doesn't count as a participant(at least, not after Episode 1).

Hagakure is outside the game arena. If he was a participant, that would violate Ruruka's forbidden action, and she'd be dead on arrival. Of course, we don't know whether the "game arena" refers to the underwater facility or the entire island, so...

Wyvernil fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Sep 14, 2016

BlazeEmblem
Jun 8, 2013

Uh oh. Do I use Ariadne thread or Goho-M?

You guys do know that the survivor count is not in universe, right?

That means that if Hiro is part of the count, then him not being present at the site doesn't matter, as he is not a participant and thus wouldn't affect Ruruka.

Also,

Wyvernil posted:

Besides, the survivor counter dropped from nine to six, and four deaths happened in Episode 9. Either Miaya doesn't count due to being a robot, or one of those deaths wasn't real. And if Monaca really had no idea who the mastermind was, then perhaps the mastermind didn't know about her, either (and thus had no reason to exclude her from the survivor count).

Again, it's not the mastermind giving us the survivor count, it's the story.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Tired Moritz posted:

jesus, no more hope and despair please.

Since we're in a prison, maybe now it'll be crime and punishment. :cop:

curiousTerminal
Sep 2, 2011

what a humorous anecdote.

Grouchio posted:

BTW where can I find the thread where the forum discredited the JUNKO meme during the lets play years ago?

If you go to the LP Archive it has a link back to the original thread.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
discredited? it turned out that this setting really is about junko all the time. most of that "speculation" was probably people who were pretending not to have read spoilers.

IceBorg
Oct 23, 2012

I KINDA DOUBT THAT!

Serious Frolicking posted:

discredited? it turned out that this setting really is about junko all the time. most of that "speculation" was probably people who were pretending not to have read spoilers.

I did like the whole Junkos thing after DR2 because when you go to final case of that game and see that image of all Junkos walking around you think of that Junkos thing right way and pretty sure people were talking about that even before the second game came out.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.

Wyvernil posted:

Maybe Kirigiri did figure out the body was fake. That might explain why Hina was able to use her notebook to figure out who the attacker was.

That or Chisa was pretending to be dead and switched in the fake body after Kirigiri left.


:wth:

You might actually be on to something here. I think that's the proof that Hagakure doesn't count as a participant(at least, not after Episode 1).

Hagakure is outside the game arena. If he was a participant, that would violate Ruruka's forbidden action, and she'd be dead on arrival. Of course, we don't know whether the "game arena" refers to the underwater facility or the entire island, so...

Letting someone LEAVE the arena is different from having someone be outside the arena.

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world


Serious Frolicking posted:

discredited? it turned out that this setting really is about junko all the time. most of that "speculation" was probably people who were pretending not to have read spoilers.

Read spoilers where, though? At the time there was almost no information about the game on the english internet

IceBorg
Oct 23, 2012

I KINDA DOUBT THAT!

voltcatfish posted:

Read spoilers where, though? At the time there was almost no information about the game on the english internet

I wouldn't know but I would guess going to places like pixiv for fanart or just searching DR in japanese in google images would show images of a different Junko with the Monokuma hairclips so people would know that she was most likely the mastermind.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Serious Frolicking posted:

discredited? it turned out that this setting really is about junko all the time. most of that "speculation" was probably people who were pretending not to have read spoilers.

actually it's a series about cool kids w/ ahoges

IceBorg
Oct 23, 2012

I KINDA DOUBT THAT!
No wonder the student council couldn't survive their killing game, they didn't have a ahoge character.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Yinlock posted:

actually it's a series about cool kids w/ ahoges



Completely Average Ahoge, Lucky Ahoge, Convicted Ahoge, and Normie Ahoge.

IceBorg posted:

No wonder the student council couldn't survive their killing game, they didn't have a ahoge character.

Hey, one guy survived.

He just got killed by a guy with an ahoge later.

Mindblast
Jun 28, 2006

Moving at the speed of death.


ApplesandOranges posted:

Letting someone LEAVE the arena is different from having someone be outside the arena.

Yep. Another example is Makoto not being allowed to run in hallways, which is why that short sprint inside the room didn't kill him.

COBRARocky
Jul 28, 2013

Tired Moritz posted:

jesus, no more hope and despair please.

Im kinda curious why its still so prominent in 3 when the point of DR2's ending was Hajime rejecting both of them

BlazeEmblem
Jun 8, 2013

Uh oh. Do I use Ariadne thread or Goho-M?

COBRARocky posted:

Im kinda curious why its still so prominent in 3 when the point of DR2's ending was Hajime rejecting both of them

The series has been about Junko, who is obsessed with Despair. When they get rid of her, it will end the Hope/Despair debate. And unless this Anime deals with the second Junko AI, we haven't gotten rid of her yet.

Axle_Stukov
Feb 26, 2011

Stylin'
Well then RIP Chiaki in the most brutal way.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

So you can probably skip todays episode. It's kind of disgusting.

15 straight minutes of torture porn on Chiaki until she gets killed. Despair is kinda going over the top.

Ignis
Mar 31, 2011

I take it you don't want my autograph, then.


Well, that explains why Kodaka's taking extended vacations from Twitter :v:

Alfalfa The Roach
Oct 13, 2012

You need to be a badass first.
I haven't watched the new episode yet but I'm assuming it somehow manages to top the brain lobotomy from the last episode?

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gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
ugh. so much for my earlier statements about despair being better than future.

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