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Polidoro posted:Wasn't Podemos under investigation for receiving money from Venezuela? And their leader used to write speeches for Chavez too. Yeah, under investigation by officials nominated by Mr Rajoy. Not that I would ever assume that Mr Rajoy would stoop to such a thing, I don't really understand why the case would be assumed for Podemos.
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Friendly Humour posted:Getting funding from someone doesn't mean loving anything, mate. loving hell, I don't even know half the people funding my research team. I didn't know hillary clinton posted here.
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Friendly Humour posted:Yeah, under investigation by officials nominated by Mr Rajoy. Not that I would ever assume that Mr Rajoy would stoop to such a thing, I don't really understand why the case would be assumed for Podemos. Investigated by the Venezuelan National Assembly, statements from Rafael Isea who was personally involved in the deal, and several investigations by different news outlets, including ABC, confirm this. It's really naive to think that Podemos just came out of nowhere like it did without outside help anyway. Anyhow, this is beyond the scope of this thread.
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http://g1.globo.com/pr/parana/notic...paign=share-bar Never has a piece of news so beautifully represented the current state of a country as this one.
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Not touching the PSUV chat right now because it's a debate we Can't Deal With --- Okay, legit, sincere question: Does anybody in Brazil to the right of the PT even remotely care about corruption in any non-PT parties?
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To answer your question, I point you to the case of Marcos Valerio. He is someone who was involved in both the PSDB and PT mensalao scandal. He played the same role in both, and the PSDB version happened before PT one. He's been in jail since 2012, when he was convicted in his role in the PT mensalao which started around 2003 or 2004. Meanwhile, he still hasn't faced trial for his role in the 1998 PSDB scandal, and in 2 years the statute of limitations may mean that he will never face trial for that. if you ever wanted a perfect experiment in terms of how the justice system treats PT and non-PT corruption, that is it.
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right wing brazillians are legit scary to talk to in real life. i'm not sure how no one hasn't made a "red dawn" style movie but where cubans come out of the favelas to destroy the pure white ethnic german Brazilians who are the only honest hard-working folks in the country supporting the masses dependant on bolsa familia, which is just cuban marxist propaganda.
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Mans posted:right wing brazillians are legit scary to talk to in real life. Now if you just had it with the pure light skinned brazillians being openly social darwinist and being a bunch of rapists and then the favela dwellers finally dealing with them and that being treated as a good ending.
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So is Bolsa Familia really Braziil's first welfare program ever? I should say modern welfare program?
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There were others but they were mostly regional or not as wide-ranging as the BF.
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Would it be fair to call Lula "Brazil's FDR" then? Like what are PTs accomplishments besides a modern welfare system for Brazil?
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punk rebel ecks posted:Would it be fair to call Lula "Brazil's FDR" then? Like what are PTs accomplishments besides a modern welfare system for Brazil? Like Michael "Cosmo Kramer" Richards, he has shown what's buried beneath Brazilian society and it shocks me, it shocks me, the stupid mother fucker.
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Not sure where else to ask, my employer has just gotten back from Panama and he's given me a little green bottle that just has "licor de maracuya la passion" written on a crude label. I'm pretty sure it's some kind of rummy beverage but was wondering if any of you guys had heard of it? I googled licor de maracuya but only found recipes using it not in english.
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Scaramouche posted:Not sure where else to ask, my employer has just gotten back from Panama and he's given me a little green bottle that just has "licor de maracuya la passion" written on a crude label. I'm pretty sure it's some kind of rummy beverage but was wondering if any of you guys had heard of it? I googled licor de maracuya but only found recipes using it not in english. That's passion fruit liqueur, yo.
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Happy Indy day everyone, time to watch protests getting brutally crushed.
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Haha what? What are Genros chances of actually winning? My friends here are probably voting Haddad, although they prefer PSOL, to make sure he's not eliminated, because the other candidates are just hosed.
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*in a desperate voice* It would be an improvement!
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hoiyes posted:Haha what? What are Genros chances of actually winning? My friends here are probably voting Haddad, although they prefer PSOL, to make sure he's not eliminated, because the other candidates are just hosed. So far she's leading all polls against all candidates, although by a small margin. RS always has some hard swings in the polls until the end of the regional races though, so who knows. It's always a PMDB fucker running as "non-partizan" and picking up steam against the "left" (PT usually) and the opposition that's doing poo poo against the "left".
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hoiyes posted:Haha what? What are Genros chances of actually winning? My friends here are probably voting Haddad, although they prefer PSOL, to make sure he's not eliminated, because the other candidates are just hosed. Tried watching an interview of Haddad by his radio archnemesis Villas in radio Jovem Pan, and I just couldn't do it. Each question was basically a two-minute preamble of petty attacks and trash talking before arriving at the point. For context, said interviewer would read the mayor's schedule every morning on air to call him a lazy do-nothing. Haddad replaced his schedule with the state governor's one day (a guy who Villas thinks is just swell), Villas read it out loud and called him lazy bum, got called out on it and grew even pissier.
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Dias posted:So far she's leading all polls against all candidates, although by a small margin. RS always has some hard swings in the polls until the end of the regional races though, so who knows. It's always a PMDB fucker running as "non-partizan" and picking up steam against the "left" (PT usually) and the opposition that's doing poo poo against the "left". RS politics is weird. PP is crazy strong, PSDB is non-existent, PDT and DEM are allies and PMDB occasionally refuses to join the government when they lose an election.
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Cunha's out http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-37346531
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Now that PT and Cunha are out of the government corruption is fixed forever!!!!ZearothK posted:Yeah, it seems like PMDB is using Cunha as a scapegoat to protect the rest of chamber from public pressure and scrutiny. Cunha still has a lot of influence, so if that is true I am looking forward to seeing those fucks tearing each other's eyes out. ZearothK fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Sep 13, 2016 |
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Which party in Brazil is the best or "least worst"?
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punk rebel ecks posted:Which party in Brazil is the best or "least worst"? The one that is held outside of the country.
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punk rebel ecks sometimes you sound like a spy trying to dig up some bad poo poo about us, just saying (the redtext you got is weird, I'm not justifying it or anything)
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punk rebel ecks posted:Which party in Brazil is the best or "least worst"? http://pnsb.tumblr.com
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punk rebel ecks posted:Which party in Brazil is the best or "least worst"? Serious answer, PSOL is pretty decent.
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And the municipal elections keep on rolling... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpmBRsETllU In other news, I've been to the Fora Temer protest in Belo Horizonte as a part of the Levante Popular da Juventude national congress, and besides us the unions and the rest of the PT support base seemed pretty weak and disorganized. We had a some thousands of people while they gathered at most 300 people at a square. Our part of the protest was cool tho 
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Symbolic Butt posted:punk rebel ecks sometimes you sound like a spy trying to dig up some bad poo poo about us, just saying I'm just curious that is all. I just don't trust what most mainstream media says about most countries. Call me a skeptic. ZearothK posted:Serious answer, PSOL is pretty decent. *Looks party up online* They seem cool. punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Sep 13, 2016 |
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punk rebel ecks posted:I'm just curious that is all. I just don't trust what most mainstream media says about most countries. Call me a skeptic. I getcha, you phrase your questions kinda bluntly but you're fine in my book, dude. As for your question, Brazil isn't big on...ideological fidelity, as a young democratic nation with a ton of fragmented political parties. I think most Brazilians would be hard-pressed to give you an answer if you asked them what's the difference between PMDB, DEM and PP, and their members themselves wouldn't know, seeing as how much they "jump" around in terms of alliances and even partizanship. To find parties with actual ideological positions you can rely on, you have to lean way to the left or way to the right - even PT became more of a center-left party after they got in power, allying themselves with PMDB and all. But those guys are far, far from having majorities anywhere or any actual shot at breaking through the center-right amalgam that controls Brazilian politics. For what it's worth, PSOL has a modicum of power and seems clean enough so far - but so did PT a decade back. I've been voting for them during legislative and mayoral elections, it's a pretty young party too which helps. Magrov posted:RS politics is weird. PP is crazy strong, PSDB is non-existent, PDT and DEM are allies and PMDB occasionally refuses to join the government when they lose an election. ARENA lives on in these fields, right? Plus RBS seems to like those guys quite a bit as opposed to the "tucanos" for whatever reason. Politics here seem to be even more fragmented than they are in the rest of Brazil, which explains why we've been such a mess these last 20 years or so.
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Dias posted:ARENA lives on in these fields, right? Plus RBS seems to like those guys quite a bit as opposed to the "tucanos" for whatever reason. Politics here seem to be even more fragmented than they are in the rest of Brazil, which explains why we've been such a mess these last 20 years or so. The new ARENA started there, but there was a party coup, and the SP directory took control: quote:Em 1 de março de 2014, o grupo liderado pelo vice-presidente Kleber Antonio Pivetti Busch alteram o nome do partido para Nova Aliança Renovadora Nacional, defensor do Conservadorismo, do Nacionalismo, do Empreendedorismo e da Ética. O partido agora também apoia a corrente ideológica proposta pelo Brasileiro Olavo Luiz Pimentel de Carvalho e pelo deputado federal Jair Bolsonaro, que buscam o renascimento do movimento conservador brasileiro. The old Arena became PDS, then PPR, then PPB, then PP. It's basically the same assholes from the dictatorship, because PFL never got big in RS. The other political forces were MDB, led by Pedro Simon and Brizola's PDT, with PT gradually replacing PDT in the late 90's. RBS is also the same assholes that own the state media since the dictatorship. They supported Arena, then whoever ran against PDT/PT. in short, it's a political GRENAL.
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Dias posted:I getcha, you phrase your questions kinda bluntly but you're fine in my book, dude. As for your question, Brazil isn't big on...ideological fidelity, as a young democratic nation with a ton of fragmented political parties. I think most Brazilians would be hard-pressed to give you an answer if you asked them what's the difference between PMDB, DEM and PP, and their members themselves wouldn't know, seeing as how much they "jump" around in terms of alliances and even partizanship. To find parties with actual ideological positions you can rely on, you have to lean way to the left or way to the right - even PT became more of a center-left party after they got in power, allying themselves with PMDB and all. But those guys are far, far from having majorities anywhere or any actual shot at breaking through the center-right amalgam that controls Brazilian politics. Thanks. What interests me about Latin America is that while much of the world is still running head first into neoliberal politics, Latin America as a whole seems to be moving from it or at least putting up some what of a fight. Sure there have been some nations that have drowned themselves due to this (such as Venezuela) but others have put in a good run (Bolivia). In short, there seems to be a lot of political experimentation going on down there with intrigues me to a degree. And yeah my blunt questions have gotten me trouble in other places. Like the the goon FGC, at least initially.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Thanks. You really earned that red title.
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qnqnx posted:You really earned that red title. Nah. Hey, guys, do you all remember the Kiss nightclub fire? Like, the third deadliest nightclub fire in the world, 242 dead, etc, etc? I do, because it happened during my time in college a night after a party my class organized there! Anyway, every time poo poo like this happened in other places, the mayor got hosed raw, especially when everything pointed to gross negligence starting from city hall. So it'd make sense that Santa Maria's mayor would never see a political position again at the very least, right? Well, as of last week, meet the new Rio Grande do Sul Department of Public Safety (hah) Secretary, Mr. Cezar Schirmer himself! I'm not sure if these news made it to you guys already but hey.
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punk rebel ecks posted:What interests me about Latin America is that while much of the world is still running head first into neoliberal politics, Latin America as a whole seems to be moving from it or at least putting up some what of a fight. Sure there have been some nations that have drowned themselves due to this (such as Venezuela) but others have put in a good run (Bolivia). In short, there seems to be a lot of political experimentation going on down there with intrigues me to a degree.
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Dias posted:Nah. Welp time to get my asbestos suit out of the closet.
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so what's the deal with argentina, why has their modern history been so totally dominated by hilariously awful peronists? like i can understand other countries in latin america having bad populist management as a result of being insanely unequal societies, but argentina is all germans and italian immigrants and presumably was a much less unequal society? it makes no sense edit: wow, first version of this post sounded pretty bad icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Sep 14, 2016 |
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icantfindaname posted:so what's the deal with argentina, why has their modern history been so totally dominated by hilariously awful peronists? like i can understand other countries in latin america having bad populist management when the black or native people rise up and seize power, but argentina is all germans and italians? it makes no sense It's not surrounded by water like Australia so the non whites can just walk in instead of drown
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