CanPol Megathread: Big Changus

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Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Ikantski posted:

Look guys, we just need this foreign investment to prop up the canadian economy for a little bit longer until we get these pipelines going which will fund our transition to a carbon free economy.

Agreed. Add about $800k to the existing $800k lifetime capital gains exemption and get rid of the special housing exemption, it'd be easy.

An interesting discussion this morning with Anna Maria. Not mentioned, tidewater will give leverage to raise the price of our product.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/...itics-1.3763184

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 23:41

The Gunslinger: Jul 24, 2004; Do not forget the face of your father.; Fun Shoe

There are a lot of people who are counting on their home to bail them out for retirement, the principal residence capital gains exemption isn't going anywhere. It would be political suicide for whoever attempted it, the shitstorm would be pretty insane.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 17:25

tagesschau: Sep 1, 2006; Guten Abend, meine Damen und Herren.

jm20 posted:

End the primary residence capital gains exemption basically

as someone whose capital gains exemption is already capped at US$500,000. Not that I'll ever end up with a capital gain that big unless I sell at the top of a bubble.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 17:33

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

jm20 posted:

An interesting discussion this morning with Anna Maria. Not mentioned, tidewater will give leverage to raise the price of our product.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/...itics-1.3763184

Sometimes, it's like we got Jaden Smith's tweets for PM.

"You cannot separate what's good for the environment and what's good for the economy" -JT

# ? Sep 15, 2016 17:42

Fluffy Chainsaw: Jul 6, 2016; I'm likely a pissant middle manager who pisses off IT with worthless requests. There is no content within my posts other than a garbage act akin to a know-it-all, which likely is how I behave in real life. It's really hard for me to comprehend how much I am hated by everyone.

Ikantski posted:

Sometimes, it's like we got Jaden Smith's tweets for PM.

"You cannot separate what's good for the environment and what's good for the economy" -JT

You can if you grow the economy from the heart outwards.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 17:50

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

Vader guilty of 2nd degree murder (times two)

# ? Sep 15, 2016 17:51

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Seems like as good a time as any to bring up the most Liberal euphemism ever:

quote:

Will Trudeau privatize via 'asset recycling'?
April 24, 2016 - 10:26pm

The Trudeau government could privatize federal public assets to fund its promised $120 billion infrastructure funding over the next decade.

The Canadian Press reports, "The federal government has identified a potential source of cash to help pay for Canada�s mounting infrastructure costs � and it could involve leasing or selling stakes in major public assets such as highways, rail lines, and ports. A line tucked into last month�s federal budget reveals the Liberals are considering making public assets available to non-government investors, like public pension funds. The sentence mentions 'asset recycling', a system designed to raise money to help governments bankroll improvements to existing public infrastructure and, possibly, to build new projects."

CUPE has previously explained, "Asset Recycling is a new phrase describing corporatization, marketization and privatization of government assets. An asset is 'recycled' when a government, corporation or bank either sells or borrows against its physical assets to get money for investment in new capital. ...Asset recycling is just another scheme driven by bankers and governments desperate to hide past failures of neo-liberal privatization policy."

The term 'recycling' comes from the notion that, as described by the Mowat Centre, governments "dispose of legacy assets to generate capital to invest in new assets or to refurbish existing infrastructure."

CUPE has also noted that areas subject to asset recycling (at various levels of government) include:
- water infrastructure
- waste water infrastructure
- electricity utilities
- toll roads
- ports
- public office buildings
- crown corporations
- liquor control board infrastructure
- defence infrastructure

The Canadian Press adds, "Andrew McNeill, a researcher for one of Canada�s biggest unions, believes it�s basically another name for privatization, which he says has negative connotations. Australia�s asset recycling model is being pushed 'very aggressively by companies that profit from privatization', said McNeill, who works for the National Union of Public and General Employees. He has concerns governments will use the scheme to generate short-term financial injections for political gain. McNeill also said the model could eventually mean lower wages for workers."

The Toronto and York Region Labour Council has previously commented, "The Liberal Government [of Ontario premier Kathleen Wynne] has stooped to using smokescreen words like 'asset recycling' to conceal the grim truth [of the privatization of 60 per cent of Hydro One, Ontario's electricity transmission and distribution utility]." They note that the provincial Liberal government says this 'asset recycling' could generate $5 billion to address Hydro One's debt and $4 billion to build new infrastructure, such as transit. CBC notes, "Ontario is selling off its transmission lines to help pay some of the cost of transit lines."

Lawyer Steven Shrybman has argued, "There is a very serious concern with respect to the impacts of privatizing Hydro One, in light of Canada�s obligations to foreign investors and service providers under international trade law. ...In respect of transmission and distribution services, such measures [that could be challenged for offending investor rights] could include a mandatory obligation to connect renewable energy generators, to prioritize interconnections with other provinces rather than the United States, to conduct environmental assessments for new facilities, or to protect habitat in citing or maintaining those facilities."

With the Trudeau government seeking to ratify the Canada-European Union Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) and most likely wanting to ratify the 12-country Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), our exposure to investor-state challenges would be even greater with the full or partial privatization of federal public assets via asset recycling.

The Council of Canadians opposes asset recycling, CETA and the TPP. We have also raised concerns that federal infrastructure funds could be used to worsen climate change. The Alberta and British Columbia governments have been negotiating a plan whereby BC drops its opposition to the TransMountain and Northern Gateway tar sands pipelines in exchange for Alberta agreeing to buy hydroelectricity generated by the Site C dam. Reportedly the deal would require $1 billion in federal funding to help build the infrastructure of hydro transmission lines from northeastern BC to Alberta.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 17:57

David Corbett: Feb 6, 2008; Courage, my friends; 'tis not too late to build a better world.

CLAM DOWN posted:

Vader guilty of 2nd degree murder (times two)

The RCMP's grossly incompetent handling of the crime scene very well may have cost them the first-degree murder conviction. I'm hoping that the sentencing takes the likely course of events into account.

For what it's worth, the judge certainly didn't make a show out of the verdict. It was pretty low-key.

Helsing posted:

Seems like as good a time as any to bring up the most Liberal euphemism ever:

"Asset recycling"? :suicide:

# ? Sep 15, 2016 18:02

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Helsing posted:

Seems like as good a time as any to bring up the most Liberal euphemism ever:

I like when we agree on things

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748577&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=382#post459106315

# ? Sep 15, 2016 18:11

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

I like you Ikantski, you put effort into your posts and bring a slightly different perspective to the thread than what's typical. I'll legit feel bad on the day we collectivize your farm and put you to work growing dope for socialized weedcare.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 18:16

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Spoiler: He already grows weed and pollinates with his bee hives. Weedhoney edibles :420:

# ? Sep 15, 2016 18:22

Lobok: Jul 13, 2006; Say Watt?

CLAM DOWN posted:

Vader guilty of 2nd degree murder (times two)

But on appeal might only get manslaughter.

Read bottom-up:

# ? Sep 15, 2016 18:54

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Helsing posted:

I like you Ikantski, you put effort into your posts and bring a slightly different perspective to the thread than what's typical. I'll legit feel bad on the day we collectivize your farm and put you to work growing dope for socialized weedcare.

I blush. As jm20 pointed out, my property is already infested with tiny socialist honeybees. How can a good conservative not love socialism when you look at bees? The insane productivity, unbridled ruthlessness towards weak members, pillaging raids on other hives, no-questions-asked suicide attacks to defend their castle, fearless expansion and best of all vegans hate them.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 19:30

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

I can never get over vegans thinking honey is evil insect slavery.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 19:34

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Vegans hating an all natural organic product is sublime

# ? Sep 15, 2016 19:36

Legit Businessman: Sep 2, 2007

Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Sep 9, 2022

# ? Sep 15, 2016 19:38

Lobok: Jul 13, 2006; Say Watt?

Vegans are not okay with wild honey, because that would be stealing from bears.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Sep 9, 2022

# ? Sep 15, 2016 19:41

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Forget honey, http://almondsarenotvegan.com/

Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Sep 9, 2022

# ? Sep 15, 2016 19:45

Blade_of_tyshalle: Jul 12, 2009; If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

jm20 posted:

Vegans hating an all natural organic product is sublime

It's not about it being natural or organic, though. Vegans won't even wear wool, you know? Because the sheep didn't consent to having its hair taken :rolleyes:

I dated one for a year, and the political side of it is really the objectionable part for me. Don't want to partake of animal products, fine. But a cow isn't sentient and it doesn't have human rights, let alone loving bees.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 19:46

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

It's not about it being natural or organic, though. Vegans won't even wear wool, you know? Because the sheep didn't consent to having its hair taken

Vegans are retarded, more at 11

# ? Sep 15, 2016 19:49

Monaghan: Dec 29, 2006

I'm fine with vegans who don't eat meat because they think it's immoral to contribute to the suffering of animals or whatever. But what get's me is the weirdly idealistic version of nature that some of them have. They seem to forget that the wild is a constant life or death or struggle for survival.

Monaghan fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Sep 15, 2016

# ? Sep 15, 2016 20:08

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

I'm not a vegan or even a vegetarian but I'd love the government to improve conditions for animals in all our food production. Hell, just actually fully enforcing current regulations would be great. If properly regulated meat ends up costing twice as much, what ever, it's good to reduce suffering and help the environment at the same time.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 20:12

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

I love showing vegetarians this video:

https://youtu.be/sQOQdBLHrLk?t=51

Even Bambi thinks vegetarianism is for chumps.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 20:13

PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Are we posting X eats Y videos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILX53I4DsYw

# ? Sep 15, 2016 20:19

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Monaghan posted:

I'm fine with vegans who don't eat meat because they think it's immoral to contribute to the suffering of animals or whatever. But what get's me is the weirdly idealistic version of nature that some of them have. They seem to forget that the wild is a constant life or death or struggle for survival.

The trick to this is to show them videos of nature doing nature things.

Mildly :nms:

if you live in the city
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWc6aF6aMQ8

# ? Sep 15, 2016 20:34

Stickarts: Dec 21, 2003; literally

I'm largely a vegetarian except for animals that I kill and dress myself. There's a whole bunch of valid reasons why one would want to significantly curtail their intake of meat. In my more fanatical days I was a vegan but I still ate honey and wore wool. I guess this means I'm hated by both camps.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 21:05

Lobok: Jul 13, 2006; Say Watt?

Stickarts posted:

I'm largely a vegetarian except for animals that I kill and dress myself. There's a whole bunch of valid reasons why one would want to significantly curtail their intake of meat. In my more fanatical days I was a vegan but I still ate honey and wore wool. I guess this means I'm hated by both camps.

No, I agree with you. I'm not a vegetarian but there are ethical and nutritional reasons why it's fine/good to be one. Having to eat as much meat in every meal every day and from terrible sources and practices is hosed. Being a vegan though is step too far I cannot relate to.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 21:28

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

Ask a vegan or anti-GMO type if they'd eat almonds harvested from the wild.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 21:36

Count Roland: Oct 6, 2013

I've got no beef with vegetarians and vegans. I respect that they stand for something, and most I've known have been healthier for it.

When I was younger I lived in a house that was effectively vegetarian. I didn't cook meat there myself, for the trouble it would cause. I had a policy of not buying meat for myself, but I'd accept if it was bought for me (and since I'd eat with my parents once or twice a week, this added up). Still, and even along with poverty, it was the healthiest I ever ate. Now I eat way too much meat and I don't think I'm better off.

The last two girls I've dated have been 95% vegetarian. Only eating meat socially or under special circumstances like it being hunted. And they never bothered me about my meat consumption.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 21:40

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

Nothing's wrong at all with being a vegetarian. There is something wrong with being morally opposed to ~~bee slavery~~ honey or wool. It shows a profound idiocy and ignorance.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 21:44

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Curbing meat intake is good for both your health and the environment I just laugh at people saying it's a moral imperative because they believe that nature without humans is a Disney movie. Existence is brutal.

That being said I switched to buying free range or when nothing else is available free run eggs and chicken because modern chicken farming is basically like keeping animals in a concentration camp. I'd rather eat birds that get to chill out and do normal bird things before I eat them.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 21:44

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

I'm not a vegetarian and haven't spent a lot of time thinking about them since I turned 23ish.

I just figure as long as they're not hurting the trees, whatever floats your boat right?

# ? Sep 15, 2016 21:48

JohnnyCanuck: May 28, 2004; Strong And/Or Free

OSI bean dip posted:

Ask a vegan or anti-GMO type if they'd eat almonds harvested from the wild.

Ask them if they'd eat a mango tossed in a dumpster that only had a few rat nibbles on it.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 21:48

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

Yeah I see it more of a worker's right's things. I want my egg layers to be treated well and correctly just as I hope all workers are treated well and correctly.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 21:49

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

EvilJoven posted:

Curbing meat intake is good for both your health and the environment I just laugh at people saying it's a moral imperative because they believe that nature without humans is a Disney movie. Existence is brutal.

That being said I switched to buying free range or when nothing else is available free run eggs and chicken because modern chicken farming is basically like keeping animals in a concentration camp. I'd rather eat birds that get to chill out and do normal bird things before I eat them.

Do you have room to keep chickens yourself? Fresh eggs are the best!

# ? Sep 15, 2016 21:53

Count Roland: Oct 6, 2013

haha, who gave PT6A that av title combo?

# ? Sep 15, 2016 21:56

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

JohnnyCanuck posted:

Ask them if they'd eat a mango tossed in a dumpster that only had a few rat nibbles on it.

Wild almonds (aka "bitter almonds") contain cyanide and eating enough of them (like a handful) is enough to kill you. Dipshits have claimed it cures cancer when in reality they're poisonous as gently caress.

So the next time someone tells you that they won't eat cultivated almonds from a farm due to GMO reasons or because they're some idiot vegan, ask them if they'll eat wild almonds instead.

# ? Sep 15, 2016 21:57

Trapick: Apr 17, 2006

CLAM DOWN posted:

Nothing's wrong at all with being a vegetarian. There is something wrong with being morally opposed to ~~bee slavery~~ honey or wool. It shows a profound idiocy and ignorance.

Don't forget silk. That's worm slavery right there.

(No, I'm not joking, I know vegans who do not approve of silk production).

# ? Sep 15, 2016 22:53

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

This was before BMW offered a vegan leather option.

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David Corbett: Feb 6, 2008; Courage, my friends; 'tis not too late to build a better world.

Lobok posted:

But on appeal might only get manslaughter.

Read bottom-up:

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm not sure how you could interpret the circumstances of the crime - abandoning a pair of almost-octogenarians in the woods, at least one of whom you have severely injured and is bleeding, after depriving them of all their resources, including their methods of communication, transportation, and shelter - as anything other than having a reasonably foreseeable outcome of death. If Vader *didn't* kill them in the commission of his crime, then surely he left them in a position where their deaths were inevitable; after all, it was evidently so isolated and desolate that to this day, six years later, their bodies still haven't been found.

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