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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Gene Roddenberry was an officer. Ah, you know what, I got him confused with Ronald D. Moore. Roddenberry was a USAAC 2nd Lt. whereas Moore was some enlisted rank (due to dropping out of ROTC) in the Navy. I think that's why RDM made sure O'Brien was an enlisted man rather than an officer, and thereby did away with Roddenberry's original "everyone is an officer in Starfleet" mandate.
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Asmodai_00 posted:Did the novelization explain why Scotty went to the bridge with his corpse? It doesn't happen in the book. In the book Kirk and Spock go to engineering to inspect battle damage and when the turbolift doors open, Scotty is there holding Peter saying he can't get a hold of Bones. I imagine that's what the original script did since novelizations are often based on early drafts. It was probably a pacing decision to have Scotty come to the bridge since going to engineering would break the action, even if it doesn't make narrative sense.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Huh. Does that mean Kirk was actually one of Mitchell's instructors at the academy? I'd previously been thinking of them as classmates. I guess Kirk was like a TA. He was a Lt. teaching classes, by Mitchell's own account.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Icheb actually isn't too bad, but they don't bring anything new to the show, so they're just a waste. One was a more interesting "Seven raises a Borg" story. The dude who played Icheb is also a pretty chill guy and tells funny stories at cons about the "difficulties" of being 20 years old and doing close shots with Jeri Ryan in a spandex catsuit.
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Fuckin lol, 'Lonely Among Us' ends with the revelation that there has been a cannibalistic murder on board, and then some like comedy music plays and Picard announces that he's going for a nap. Roll credits. I've seen these episodes like a hundred times, but season one is still just balls out crazy to me.
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Did they change Nimoy's make-up in season three? Spock looks a little different from how he looked in the first two.
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Apollodorus posted:Everyone on the Enterprise is supposed to be ridiculously good at their job, and in the future we have much better education presumably (remember also in TNG how that 6 year old is learning calculus) - I bet this was Roddenberry's weird futurizing of humanity at work. Now of course this won't work for every child infallibly, because there are ranges of ability, as we saw with Jules Bashir. (Though there's no reason to think he might not have caught up since presumably he would have been diagnosed as having an actual learning disability if his parents took him to a doctor.) And there would in many cases be less reason to drive hard in schooling if you had a special interest or inclination or your parents were travelling to Andoria or whatever. But I can completely buy that the feds could pack, say, what we teach up to eighth grade in the first five years of schooling. e: Education for other species starts getting weird, of course. The big obvious example is the Klingons, who seem to be equivalent to four years old at 1 and a half, and so on. I think I remember speculating that a lot of the "bellicose idiot" Klingons that seem to implicitly be around to make impressions on people are actually, like, thirteen years old, which is why they're idiots, and why actual adults like the enemy captains in TOS and Gowron seem to be canny bastards. Nessus fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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Sep 15, 2016 21:31
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Nessus posted:Now of course this won't work for every child infallibly, because there are ranges of ability, as we saw with Jules Bashir. (Though there's no reason to think he might not have caught up since presumably he would have been diagnosed as having an actual learning disability if his parents took him to a doctor.) I got the impression Julian was straight up mentally impaired as a kid.
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bull3964 posted:Discovery being delayed is actually very good for another reason, it swaps places with "The Good Wife" spinoff so that the spinoff is now the first original programming to premiere on All Access. This is a very good thing for two reasons. Repeating my assertion that Discovery should be on the CW. They know how to make nerdy shows work.
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WickedHate posted:I got the impression Julian was straight up mentally impaired as a kid.
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Sep 15, 2016 22:11
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Zurui posted:Repeating my assertion that Discovery should be on the CW. They know how to make nerdy shows work. I'd rather have the franchise die for 20 years than have it relegated to some lovely CW outing.
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I like the reading that Jules was normal, but his dad just couldn't accept that at all and built this narrative of his son being retarded to justify his actions.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I'd rather have the franchise die for 20 years than have it relegated to some lovely CW outing. Hey now, "Supernatural" was fun for a couple seasons.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I like the reading that Jules was normal, but his dad just couldn't accept that at all and built this narrative of his son being retarded to justify his actions. Especially since his father clearly had his own struggles with being sub-par
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I'd rather have the franchise die for 20 years than have it relegated to some lovely CW outing. I don't think you understand what "made for CBS access" is going to involve. What's your beef with CW shows?
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Nessus posted:He might have been of below average intelligence without having a, like, disorder. Being kinda dumb isn't a disease, it's just the way of things. The text implies something was wrong with Julian fundamentally, either a learning disorder or something more dramatic, but; Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I like the reading that Jules was normal, but his dad just couldn't accept that at all and built this narrative of his son being retarded to justify his actions. I like this theory too.
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Sep 15, 2016 22:34
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Julian even says "maybe I was just a bit slow." I'm in the minority that likes super smart Julian who was no longer afraid to show off his genetic superiority.
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WickedHate posted:The text implies something was wrong with Julian fundamentally, either a learning disorder or something more dramatic
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I got the impression he was a normal child, but in his dad's eyes, he was one step away from being a helmet kid.
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It actually sounded like he had pretty bad learning disabilities.
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Baronjutter posted:It actually sounded like he had pretty bad learning disabilities. They don't really go into great detail, his father says he was falling behind the other kids but that's about it.
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Nessus posted:What was wrong with him is ultimately irrelevant because the problem with his parents is that his parents didn't think he measured up. It didn't matter why, only that he wasn't meeting their specifications. So they intervened and in this case the intervention is more external and actionable for the sake of the drama, of course, but this isn't exactly a rare or unique circumstance. I'm not saying it matters to the story just that I don't think it was the authorial intent that it was something that could be solved with specialized classes, as was stated earlier.
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Tears In A Vial posted:Fuckin lol, 'Lonely Among Us' ends with the revelation that there has been a cannibalistic murder on board, and then some like comedy music plays and Picard announces that he's going for a nap. Roll credits. There's a part of me that likes that kind of blase' "ehhhh, this poo poo's happened before" attitude. I mean, compare with TOS Journey to Babel where an ambassador gets murdered, another ambassador (who was framed for the murder) has a critical medical emergency, the captain nearly gets assassinated, and then the whole starship (which is full of Federation Council ambassadors) drat near gets picked off by a hot-rodded Orion attack ship. By comparison, one ambassador getting killed and eaten by another is... an unfortunate incident, but something which hotshot Riker ought to be able to handle.
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The_Doctor posted:I got the impression he was a normal child, but in his dad's eyes, he was one step away from being a helmet kid. He was in first grade, so I'm assuming about 6 years old, and still trying to tell the difference between a dog and a cat or a tree and a house. Even if the Federation has first grade at 3 years old, most toddlers have that down.
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8one6 posted:It's some kind of bad cliche... I got 2 and a half minutes in and had to check my progress through the video because I thought I surely must almost be done. 8 more minutes of this?! Voyager's terribleness never ceases to amaze me. Zesty fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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Rhyno posted:Julian even says "maybe I was just a bit slow." It does cheapen a lot of his accomplishments in the show, though, and it made things weird with his and O'Brien's darts game.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:It does cheapen a lot of his accomplishments in the show, though, and it made things weird with his and O'Brien's darts game. I don't disagree but I like those moments when he does some insane calculation in his head in seconds. It was like having a sex-crazed Spock around.
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Zurui posted:I don't think you understand what "made for CBS access" is going to involve. What's your beef with CW shows? They look and feel cheap. I realize CBS isn't exactly shelling out tons of dough for Discovery, but you can probably bet that it'll be on par with Enterprise in terms of set and production design. I can't speak for the non-DC CW shows, but Arrow and Flash look like moderately-budgeted fan films with scripts to match. Don't get me wrong, they can be fun and entertaining, but they're too light on substance for something like Star Trek. CW as a whole skews toward a teenage demographic and I'm not sure you could ever have a "Measure of a Man" or "Siege of AR-558" on a CW Trek show. I realize "entertaining schlock" has become the norm for genre tv, but it's not what I'm looking for in a Star Trek series.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:They look and feel cheap. I realize CBS isn't exactly shelling out tons of dough for Discovery, but you can probably bet that it'll be on par with Enterprise in terms of set and production design. I can't speak for the non-DC CW shows, but Arrow and Flash look like moderately-budgeted fan films with scripts to match. Don't get me wrong, they can be fun and entertaining, but they're too light on substance for something like Star Trek. CW as a whole skews toward a teenage demographic and I'm not sure you could ever have a "Measure of a Man" or "Siege of AR-558" on a CW Trek show. I realize "entertaining schlock" has become the norm for genre tv, but it's not what I'm looking for in a Star Trek series. I got a feeling you're gonna be really loving disappointed with the new trek show.
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There's a ton of rose-red nostalgia for Star Trek among the fans. I know we love to talk about how amazing "Measure of a Man" was but for every high-concept exercise in philosophy there are at least three schlocky space adventures and one or two duds. That's how TV works. When it was airing and not just rerunning or on Netflix, people tuned in NEXT TIME ON STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION not for the cerebral content but because it was another adventure with the Enterprise and her crew. Trek is a space adventure show and pretending it's some kind of meditation on humanity is just setting yourself up for disappointment. Star Trek needs to be fun and relevant first and foremost. I don't watch anything on the CW but it seems they have genre shows down to a science and that's what I want out of Trek: fun space adventures with an overarching message of hope.
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GreenNight posted:I got a feeling you're gonna be really loving disappointed with the new trek show. Everything we've seen so far points to them having a shoestring budget and little support from the network. It's not going to be a flagship show. This actually makes me more excited because I'm interested to see what Bryan Fuller can pull off creatively.
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I don't think it's asking too much for something with more substance than loving Arrow.
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actually, i think you'll find that having expectations is wrong and dumb, and not being an uncritical consumer makes you a huge turboloser 
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Their finally gonna put in that hot new band every week.
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This is how Discovery will be an anthology show; the cast of each episode will be supplimented by the promoted band, so one week has the Weeknd as a mysterious alien foe, and the next week has Imagine Dragons as the away team. And the season finale will be driven by the machinations of Commodore William Broad, played by Billy Idol 
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I don't think it's asking too much for something with more substance than loving Arrow.  No, really, the CW makes successful genre shows with emotional resonance that people follow religiously. But no, let's have zero Star Trek because this guy says Arrow is bad.
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I came up with an episode idea similar to Galaxy Quest. In the middle of the season there's suddenly an episode taking place on Earth with a 2017 human being cryogenically unfrozen and waking up in the TOS era, but then it turns out it's only been 25 years and after a nuclear war the survivors modeled themselves off this old show. The 2017 human convinces them to drop the fiction and make their own future society.
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I'm still trying to figure out what's being argued. The original supposition was they look and feel cheep. To me, that's talking about production values. I would be shocked, like really shocked, if the production values of Discovery come anywhere close to 'The Flash' or 'Supernatural." Expecting them to be on Enterprise level is laughable. Enterprise cost about $5 mil an episode and I would be incredibly surprised if the budget per episode was even half that (to say nothing of pre-production budget.) People need to have fan film with experienced director level of expectations. If it's anything beyond that, it's gravy.
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Rhyno posted:I just want some goddamned Vulcans. Those green-blooded bastards!
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