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Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce | 44 | 21.36% | |
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress | 19 | 9.22% | |
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin | 9 | 4.37% | |
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country | 14 | 6.80% | |
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit | 8 | 3.88% | |
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died | 24 | 11.65% | |
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country | 14 | 6.80% | |
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread | 17 | 8.25% | |
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter | 15 | 7.28% | |
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming | 2 | 0.97% | |
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy | 10 | 4.85% | |
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union | 5 | 2.43% | |
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die | 25 | 12.14% | |
Total: | 206 votes |
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You missed the P&J again. They're reporting on how the SNP are introducing Council tax raises that disproportionately hit the North East to fund projects in other areas of Scotland. They don't appear to have noticed that the oil industry has collapsed.
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 10:32 |
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# ? May 9, 2024 22:33 |
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It's a good time to leave Aiberdeen
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 11:21 |
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Cerv posted:do you really believe that there was no reason? I mean he wasn't given a reason by Twitter.
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 13:23 |
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Coohoolin posted:I mean he wasn't given a reason by Twitter. That's entirely normal. He broke their Terms of Service and was therefore suspended. His reinstatement will have followed him deleting the tweet or tweets that prompted the upheld complaint.
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 13:26 |
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Jedit posted:You missed the P&J again. They're reporting on how the SNP are introducing Council tax raises that disproportionately hit the North East to fund projects in other areas of Scotland. They don't appear to have noticed that the oil industry has collapsed. Blame the BBC! They're missing the courier as well, though the P&J seems as odd omission; a few years ago it had a claim on being Scotland's most read daily broadsheet, though I'm not sure if that still holds. Pissflaps posted:I thought there'd be a jump for Yes support in the polls but it just hasn't happened. I don't see another referendum happening soon either, but it just seems strange there's not been much of a shift in the polls, even a temporary/soft one that might easily disappear in the actual polling booth. Again, anecdotal, but support for the EU seems very strong among middle class metropolitan types (across all age ranges in my albeit limited experience), who were, excluding pensioners, roughly evenly split on independence 2014 as I recall (possibly broke more for No, but if anyone has the figures that'd be interesting to see).
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 14:27 |
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https://twitter.com/alexaitch/status/775699697084276736
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 15:44 |
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Regarding the P&J story: The tax increase is to council tax at Band E or higher (band E is pretty loving high, you gotta have a nice house for that poo poo), and the extra charges are being collected at a national level to be used for schools that have the highest number of free school meals. I know we like to bitch and moan about the SNP, but this actually seems like a reasonable, and you could say progressive, move. Now granted, I wish this was applied to the south east of England instead, and redistributed across the whole of the UK, but I take what I get.
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 21:54 |
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mehall posted:Regarding the P&J story: Yeah, let's look at an example of a really nice house in Band E: There are four flats in that block. The first floor corner flat above the office is Band E.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 09:55 |
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Jedit posted:Yeah, let's look at an example of a really nice house in Band E: Jeez. They really need to update the evaluations. I have a 4-in-a-block 2 bed flat, granted not in the nicest area, and I barely push a D. (I thought i was C, so I take it back about having to be real nice houses, but the point stands.) (council tax is still regressive and poo poo, regardless of whats done to try and make it better.)
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 10:09 |
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Jedit posted:Yeah, let's look at an example of a really nice house in Band E: What's the rent / valuation of the flat ?
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 10:26 |
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jre posted:What's the rent / valuation of the flat ? I don't know, I did a street name search on the City Council website. The point is that Aberdeen will be disproportionately hit by a council tax rise because the oil economy drove up our rents and valuations before the freeze. What would be a band D or even C in Glasgow or Edinburgh is a band E here.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 11:36 |
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mehall posted:Jeez. They really need to update the evaluations. Council tax was implemented in a huge rush. Many of these were made by people driving around the streets then just subjectively picking a band as they went past. Council tax needs to die, or at least a serious overhaul. Certain Governments need to stop promising to do it and actually do it. Those that own their own homes and benefitted hugely from increase values vote though, so...
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 11:50 |
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That's Great Western Road, you're heading into the west end there, which is by far the wealthiest part of town. See the big chunk of blue in the southwest part of the city? It's the richest part of town and just picking a picture of a small looking flat is disingenuous.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 14:14 |
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Coohoolin posted:That's Great Western Road, you're heading into the west end there, which is by far the wealthiest part of town. You're making a good point, but just a quick note on using SIMD mapping (not aimed at you especially but in general, since it's the kind of thing that easily gets misinterpreted): it doesn't take income into account, just raw numbers receiving JSA, universal credit etc (along with other none income indicators). While obviously there's bound to be a strong correlation between blue areas and wealth, it's not a map OF wealth - it shows (quantitative) deprivation, not the inverse, if that makes sense
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 17:55 |
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Scotland's papers: UK's Brexit 'lost decade' and Old Firm 'hogwash'quote:Nicola Sturgeon has suggested thatindependence may offer an alternative to a "lost decade" of "uncertainty and turmoil" facing the UK following Brexit, reports The Herald. It's a relatively minor thing, but today's national pretty succinctly demonstrates why it's an awful newspaper. Look at the headline; there's no quote marks, no "Sturgeon says," it simply takes as a given that any SNP statement is objective truth, that this is a statement of fact about the world a decade from now, the transcendental signified of Brexit - what it "really means."
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# ? Sep 15, 2016 08:24 |
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Not sure how you quote twitter, but just leaving this here: https://twitter.com/IpsosMORIScot/status/776334085987921920 quote:Ruth Davidson now has highest satisfaction ratings of any party leader Theresa May +16 satisfaction Nicola Sturgeon +14 satisfaction Ruth Davidson +17 satisfaction Jeremy Corbyn -26 satisfaction EDIT: Apparently you just paste the link.
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# ? Sep 15, 2016 09:52 |
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It's not the best question, asking how satisfied people are with the person's performance as leader of their party. I'm not a Tory, but I'm very happy with Ruth Davidson's leadership of the party, as she continually advocates policy positions that show the electorate that the Conservatives are still a shower of cunts. I doubt the poll had room to explain that though.
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# ? Sep 15, 2016 10:47 |
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Jedit posted:I don't know, I did a street name search on the City Council website. The point is that Aberdeen will be disproportionately hit by a council tax rise because the oil economy drove up our rents and valuations before the freeze. What would be a band D or even C in Glasgow or Edinburgh is a band E here. Is it not reasonable for people who can afford to pay £700-800 a month in a rent for a city center flat to contribute to the most deprived areas of Scotland ?
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# ? Sep 15, 2016 12:39 |
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Shocked that people stop supporting redistribution of wealth as soon as it hits their pocket The Fraser of Allander institute report makes grim reading for the Scottish government. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/14/independent-scotland-financial-future-westminster-holyrood-government Any thoughts on how they'll react? Is a u-turn on the rejection of raising the top rate of income tax on the cards yet? Cerv fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Sep 15, 2016 |
# ? Sep 15, 2016 12:59 |
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Just going to say gently caress morrision utility group, BT openreach and Plusnet for my ongoing problem of not having functioning broadband for 3 weeks which is still ongoing.Cerv posted:Shocked that people stop supporting redistribution of wealth as soon as it hits their pocket It's why they prefer to donate money instead of paying a daily bigger tax. They can come off feeling good when they have their little sympathy drive and give money to the folks worse off when they feel like it.
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# ? Sep 15, 2016 13:11 |
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https://twitter.com/markdiffley1/status/776348699991609345 Hmm, interesting. So according to (this) poll, 15% have changed their mind on independence after the brexit vote. I thought that would have been enough to have made more of an impact on the polls - but it turns out that only 55% changed from no to yes. 45% of those that changed their mind went from yes to no.
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# ? Sep 15, 2016 13:42 |
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jre posted:Is it not reasonable for people who can afford to pay £700-800 a month in a rent for a city center flat to contribute to the most deprived areas of Scotland ? Ahahahahahahahaha, look at this person who thinks rents are affordable.
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# ? Sep 15, 2016 17:34 |
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Extreme0 posted:Just going to say gently caress morrision utility group, BT openreach and Plusnet for my ongoing problem of not having functioning broadband for 3 weeks which is still ongoing. It's openreach's fault. I don't care what the fix ends up being, it's openreach's fault. Open reach are poo poo. Their engineers do a half-arsed job. They don't have decent equipment. Open reach are poo poo.
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# ? Sep 15, 2016 18:48 |
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Some of my friends used to have a wall of artwork done solely while on the phone to BT. It was extensive and detailed.
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# ? Sep 15, 2016 18:58 |
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Jedit posted:Ahahahahahahahaha, look at this person who thinks rents are affordable. That's not an answer, is it wrong to ask people earning considerably above the national average to pay more to help people in a deprived area ?
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 00:19 |
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jre posted:That's not an answer, is it wrong to ask people earning considerably above the national average to pay more to help people in a deprived area ? It is if the SNP do it, since as we know, everything they do is a secret plot to gain power. By winning elections. By doing things the electorate likes.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 01:02 |
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Coohoolin posted:It is if the SNP do it, since as we know, everything they do is a secret plot to gain power. Fixed the second bit
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 01:08 |
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jre posted:That's not an answer, is it wrong to ask people earning considerably above the national average to pay more to help people in a deprived area ? Why do you assume they're earning considerably above the national average wage? Aberdeen rents are high for everyone, not just the oil people. Landlords can't charge less without bankrupting themselves and they can't sell up now without taking a big loss, but they can sure as poo poo keep charging high rents to the people who have to rent from them. So far as raising the money for deprived areas goes, I'd rather it were done by increasing income tax or better yet, corporation tax.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 01:41 |
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The biggest failure of the last 9 years of SNP government is undoubtedly their miserable failure at replacing the terrible council tax with a more progressive system of local taxation. At the very least there needs to be a revaluation because it's been 25 years. Might actually start to deflate the insanity of the housing bubble, though god forbid a politician actually comes out and does anything that might lower house prices. But yes, a local income tax would be a much fairer system.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 02:01 |
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Extreme0 posted:Just going to say gently caress morrision utility group, BT openreach and Plusnet for my ongoing problem of not having functioning broadband for 3 weeks which is still ongoing. You should probably get someone who works at BT to escalate your complaint.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 08:51 |
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forkboy84 posted:The biggest failure of the last 9 years of SNP government is undoubtedly their miserable failure at replacing the terrible council tax with a more progressive system of local taxation. This is letting the SNP off far too lightly, and misses the key problem. The issue isn't just that they've failed to reform council tax, it's that they've failed reform it while systematically cutting local government funding far in excess changes to holyrood's budget. Its what makes me scoff - and get angry - when people like coohoolin say with a straight face that the SNP have a good record on social justice, it's what makes me sceptical of any SNP claims that they're going to help the poorest. I don't suppose coohoolin has ever had to rely on social work, or the housing office, or community care, or schools, or community addiction teams, or any number of charities who target deprivation. He may not even have been to any libraries or galleries or museums. He probably hasn't ever wondered who pays for local economic regeneration, where projects that aren't billion pound bridges get their money. But he's probably used roads, probably had his bins taken out, probably recycled something. All of these, and more, are suffering, have suffered and will continue to suffer (and cease) due to loss of local government funding - funding which has been cut more and more quickly than the Scottish government's funding. It's been a deliberate choice by the SNP to starve local government, and it's the most deprived who lose out the most. Niric fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Sep 16, 2016 |
# ? Sep 16, 2016 09:02 |
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Jedit posted:Why do you assume they're earning considerably above the national average wage? Aberdeen rents are high for everyone, not just the oil people. Landlords can't charge less without bankrupting themselves and they can't sell up now without taking a big loss, but they can sure as poo poo keep charging high rents to the people who have to rent from them. Because they are paying 700-800 pounds a month for a one bedroom. People who aren't earning well above the national average just can't pay that. Most folk I know in Aberdeen who aren't on good money live on the outskirts of the city or in Stonehaven.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 10:15 |
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Oh, hey, look at this story from today, and note the absence of the words "Scottish" "Government" "cuts" - the SNP, like the Tories, realise that local government (which still has a strong Labour influence) takes the blame, even when central government takes their money: Demand for Glasgow rape services soar as boss calls for more council funding quote:The head of Glasgow's lifeline service for rape victims has called for more funding after demand has soared by almost 300 per cent.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 10:27 |
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Niric posted:Oh, hey, look at this story from today, and note the absence of the words "Scottish" "Government" "cuts" - the SNP, like the Tories, realise that local government (which still has a strong Labour influence) takes the blame, even when central government takes their money: I'm honestly more concerned about the apparent 300% rise in rapes in Glasgow.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 12:11 |
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I've just found out that one of the Highland Tory MSPs is their Land Reform spokesman. And obviously he is a landlord (& 4th Baronet). For all that Ruth Davidson does well, you have to say that making a member of the landed gentry your land reform spokesman is a mite tone deaf.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 12:19 |
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forkboy84 posted:I've just found out that one of the Highland Tory MSPs is their Land Reform spokesman. And obviously he is a landlord (& 4th Baronet). For all that Ruth Davidson does well, you have to say that making a member of the landed gentry your land reform spokesman is a mite tone deaf. You must have missed this little exchange.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 12:27 |
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Semprini posted:It's not the best question, asking how satisfied people are with the person's performance as leader of their party. It's actually a very good question. Lots of evidence is showing that approval ratings can give a better indication of outcomes than voting intention polling as our system becomes more presidential. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Sep 16, 2016 |
# ? Sep 16, 2016 12:28 |
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Alertrelic posted:You must have missed this little exchange. Nah, that's exactly what I was referring to. Well, I read about the exchange rather than watching it but that's what brought this realisation to mind. I knew Mountain was a bad egg, he was the local constituency candidate here in 2015 & 2016 (bastard came second behind Fergus Ewing. Between those 2 very conservative candidates accounted for 68.3% of the vote. I loving hate Inverness) before getting in as a region MSP. I just hadn't realised he was the Land Reform guy for the Tories..
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 12:31 |
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Jedit posted:I'm honestly more concerned about the apparent 300% rise in rapes in Glasgow. Hopefully that would just be because people are more aware of the service or more willing to use it. Though "hopefully" might not be the best word considering what that would mean about the number of people not getting help beforehand. Zalakwe posted:as our system becomes more presidential
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 12:38 |
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# ? May 9, 2024 22:33 |
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Not sure where you are coming from here but no-one has managed to make more out of it that the SNP - perhaps Farage excepting. Their big personalities are critical to their success and core part of their strategy. Labour have nowt (in Scotland). Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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