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Cubey posted:#notalloldcars You rang? The automobile was perfected when the B230 was mated with the M47, and from there it's all been bulbous cladding, cup holders, rear end scratchers, and I'm too stupid to know east from west so just fellate me and get me to church on time. Usually at the expense of core functionality. 
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Sep 16, 2016 03:49
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bongwizzard posted:I tried to find a small truck when I got rid of my Scion xB people want crazy money for them, even in awful condition. There is clearly a demand for something like the pre-05 Tacoma, no idea why no one seems to make a small truck anymore. Even the 80s Tacomas or whatever get 4-5k easy here, with rusted out bodies and 200k+ miles. My aunt has an ~01 Tacoma 2wd she bought new that has something like 70k miles on it now and every time she drives it she gets offers to buy it. I bet she could get the same amount she paid for it 15 years ago (or more) today. But there's nothing to replace it with since no one makes a truck that isn't bloated and full of electronic poo poo so I guess that explains the demand, and why she keeps it.
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Sep 16, 2016 03:52
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Marv Hushman posted:You rang? The automobile was perfected when the B230 was mated with the M47, and from there it's all been bulbous cladding, cup holders, rear end scratchers, and I'm too stupid to know east from west so just fellate me and get me to church on time. Usually at the expense of core functionality. Oh god yes. I bought my fourth one in June after 5 years out of the 240 world. Tracked down the owner of a semi-abandoned 1991 244 and after three months of the occasional text about selling it offered $500 which was clearly more than he expected. Put another 500 or so into it including tires and replacing trim and odds and ends and installing a stereo and doing general maintenance, registered it as an antique and drive it on the weekends. It cleaned up really well, a truly brilliant automobile. e: mine's an aw70 tho. The 240 collectors world has changed a lot since since 2010 in that everything good got really expensive and some stuff you can't even get anymore. pants in my pants has a new favorite as of 04:01 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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Sep 16, 2016 03:58
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bongwizzard posted:I tried to find a small truck when I got rid of my Scion xB people want crazy money for them, even in awful condition. There is clearly a demand for something like the pre-05 Tacoma, no idea why no one seems to make a small truck anymore. There's no market for them here, but I guess they make them in Europe?
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Sep 16, 2016 04:03
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two forty posted:mine's an aw70 tho. The 240 collectors world has changed a lot since since 2010 in that everything good got really expensive and some stuff you can't even get anymore. Welcome back. This may explain the purchase offers being left on the windshield. I figured they were just confused Benz Greasecar hunters. See ya out at the ranch after doomsday: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qPx178VfNpE
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Sep 16, 2016 04:55
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two forty posted:Oh god yes. I bought my fourth one in June after 5 years out of the 240 world. Tracked down the owner of a semi-abandoned 1991 244 and after three months of the occasional text about selling it offered $500 which was clearly more than he expected. Put another 500 or so into it including tires and replacing trim and odds and ends and installing a stereo and doing general maintenance, registered it as an antique and drive it on the weekends. It cleaned up really well, a truly brilliant automobile. I have that same love for 740s; I inherited a 1990 740GL in high school when my mother upgraded, and drove the thing into the ground. Everything weird was wrong with that car, but nothing visible or important until the engine finally just gave out in 2006 or so and we just couldn't afford to get it going again. The steel and rubber Flying Brick era of Volvos were loving tanks.
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Sep 16, 2016 04:58
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Is anybody getting Halloween exclusive shops popping up in vacant store fronts right about now? There's one near my place in what use to be an old Staples. It's been there every Halloween for about three years, then the rest of the year it's empty. There's also another one that just builds a giant tent near a local Agricenter complex. Places like that, and those guys that set up pumpkin patches and Christmas tree lots, how successful can they be? Especially since there's only about two months worth of business, and you can get plenty of the same stuff for cheaper at Target or Walmart.
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Sep 16, 2016 05:57
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shadowvine118 posted:Is anybody getting Halloween exclusive shops popping up in vacant store fronts right about now? There's one near my place in what use to be an old Staples. It's been there every Halloween for about three years, then the rest of the year it's empty. There's also another one that just builds a giant tent near a local Agricenter complex. The dying mall near me, the Circuit City died years ago (and the Circuit City Car Audio space across the mall with it) and has only ever been a halloween store in the years since. I just don't understand how that lease works for 2 months of the year. Wintermutant posted:According to this: There's also a lot of businesses that pay to use the Trump name but go bankrupt. I've heard the general consensus is that if Trump starts a business, it'll definitely go bankrupt; if it already exists and Trump takes it over, it takes 3-4 years to go bankrupt. Also, if a million-dollar company pays him to put his name on it, he counts it as a million towards his net worth. He's a daddy's money millionaire. red19fire has a new favorite as of 06:27 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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Sep 16, 2016 06:09
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Just based off a google search about mattress stores, the article I found said that there aren't just too many mattress stores, there are too many stores in America, period. We have way more retail space per capita than any other country in the world. It's overbuilt, and the huge empty strip malls that sell Halloween junk are, I'm guessing, a symptom of that. I mean, it makes great sense from an owner's standpoint: You rent some nothing space for two months, bulk-buy a ton of cheap inventory (and keep it all in-store, so no other overhead) and pay 29-hr/wk employees to man the cash register while it sells for an insane markup.
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Sep 16, 2016 06:34
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America didn't really think out it's business plan over the last century. Breed like you're a farmer; borrow like you're a banker; live like you just won the lottery; die like you hate your children.
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Sep 16, 2016 06:42
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poisonpill posted:Just based off a google search about mattress stores, the article I found said that there aren't just too many mattress stores, there are too many stores in America, period. We have way more retail space per capita than any other country in the world. It's overbuilt, and the huge empty strip malls that sell Halloween junk are, I'm guessing, a symptom of that. I mean, it makes great sense from an owner's standpoint: You rent some nothing space for two months, bulk-buy a ton of cheap inventory (and keep it all in-store, so no other overhead) and pay 29-hr/wk employees to man the cash register while it sells for an insane markup. Yeah, every strip mall and storefront area where I live seems to have atleast a portion of its retail space empty, and yet I still see new strip malls being built. The area where the Halloween store is has never been able to fill all of it's retail space, and within the five years it's been around, it's lost two of its major chains. Still, it decided to expand and build a chunk of new storefronts in what use to be part of a Target parking lot. The new expansion hasn't been finished, but it has a weird drive through window on the end of the last store.
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Sep 16, 2016 06:58
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In regards to trucks, I am still amused by the fact my really conservative uncle drives a truck... except instead of a giant fuckoff full size pickups it is some ancient tiny Nissan Hardbody thats older than me. gently caress I think his pickup is smaller than my (Pontiac) sedan.
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Sep 16, 2016 07:24
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Troy Queef posted:The great Youtube channel Regular Car Reviews has done more than a few reviews of bad '80s/'90s American cars, and here's some people here might be interested in: And bookmarked. Thank you for this 
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Sep 16, 2016 13:57
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red19fire posted:There's also a lot of businesses that pay to use the Trump name but go bankrupt. I've heard the general consensus is that if Trump starts a business, it'll definitely go bankrupt; if it already exists and Trump takes it over, it takes 3-4 years to go bankrupt. Also, if a million-dollar company pays him to put his name on it, he counts it as a million towards his net worth. He's a daddy's money millionaire. But considering that the average new business has a 20% chance of surviving for more than three years, that makes them twice as likely to not go bankrupt!
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Sep 16, 2016 14:53
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Troy Queef posted:The great Youtube channel Regular Car Reviews has done more than a few reviews of bad '80s/'90s American cars, and here's some people here might be interested in: I tried to listen to the Dodge Aspen one but these people have the charisma of a dog turd. They should get someone else to narrate.
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Sep 16, 2016 15:01
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For all this talk of American car manufacturing failure, what of the 90s-early 00s Saturn line that GM managed to stumble into making? When they didn't have names. Sure, they didn't do anything particularly well but they seem to have endurance in spades and incredible gas milage compared to their domestic contemporaries. The same 99 Saturn SL2 I once took on a road trip from Wisconsin to the Atlantic Ocean and back several years ago is still trucking and while I have to add oil about every 1000 miles or so it shows no sign of letting up even 17 years old and 220,000 miles deep.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:00
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Shawon Dunston posted:For all this talk of American car manufacturing failure, what of the 90s-early 00s Saturn line that GM managed to stumble into making? When they didn't have names. Sure, they didn't do anything particularly well but they seem to have endurance in spades and incredible gas milage compared to their domestic contemporaries. The same 99 Saturn SL2 I once took on a road trip from Wisconsin to the Atlantic Ocean and back several years ago is still trucking and while I have to add oil about every 1000 miles or so it shows no sign of letting up even 17 years old and 220,000 miles deep. Many people lament this as the true death blow for Saturn, by the time they got traction GM was fed up with their unique tooling/expenditures and started to make them badge-engineered bullshit like everything else they were doing. I've known quite a few Saturn loyalists and it seems that is the closest the big 3 ever came to competing with the Japanese manufacturers in the small car arena.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:06
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Gay Weed Dad posted:Many people lament this as the true death blow for Saturn, by the time they got traction GM was fed up with their unique tooling/expenditures and started to make them badge-engineered bullshit like everything else they were doing. I've known quite a few Saturn loyalists and it seems that is the closest the big 3 ever came to competing with the Japanese manufacturers in the small car arena. Saturn was a clean slate approach to automaking in 1989 that intentionally avoided GM methodology, and also made good cars. Hmm.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:10
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monster on a stick posted:Do you think the Cavalier is worse than the Chevette? I entered this world in 1973, so I have had the good fortune of growing up with the most shitastic vehicles of all time growing up. At one time my parents owned two Chevettes. They were notorious for the floor boards to completely rust out, to the point where it was common in seeing the carpet underneath the car. Mechanically simple but piles of poo poo. The Cavalier was a monumental step up. Like someone else said, back then a car was basically "done" when it hit the 60-75K miles mark.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:18
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My Saturn SC2 was the best car I ever owned. I managed to get one that did NOT leak oil like a sieve and I loved it. I think it was a 93 or 95 model and a lot of people asked me if it was new due to the styling and general condition. This was in the late-2000s, and people thought it was a new model.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:20
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Citizen Tayne posted:Saturn was a clean slate approach to automaking in 1989 that intentionally avoided GM methodology, and also made good cars. Hmm. Haha, gotta' love the General. Between pure price, awesome dealership experiences, and decent reliability they definitely carved a decent niche. I can understand alot of the bickering within GM about the program though as it must've been pretty lovely to be an engineer whose ideas were cost cut into oblivion on one of their more famous marques while this 'new age' psuedo-Japanese bullshit was spared no expense.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:22
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So we've got this brand that is making decent cars completely differently than us. You know what would be a great way to lower costs? Make them make cars the same way all our other brands! - A 1990s GM Executive
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Sep 16, 2016 16:24
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Wasn't the death knell for Saturn that the factory was unionized in a way different from normal UAW unions? Better hours, better pay, better benefits, with profit sharing and accountability  I had always heard it was the union's fault, but that could just be anti-union propaganda  go3 posted:So we've got this brand that is making decent cars completely differently than us. You know what would be a great way to lower costs? Make them make cars the same way all our other brands! That executive has probably been promoted and quadrupled their pay by now.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:35
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red19fire posted:Wasn't the death knell for Saturn that the factory was unionized in a way different from normal UAW unions? Better hours, better pay, better benefits, with profit sharing and accountability While I'm sure that was tossed around its plain to see what happened. They had a decent launch that cost quite a bit to get going, a few years pass and these investments have not paid off as fast or as large as hoped, Saturn models are pushed into parts sharing with other GM products, Saturn exclusive dealers are pushed out; this ruins any appeal of Saturn, Saturn is dead.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:37
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red19fire posted:Wasn't the death knell for Saturn that the factory was unionized in a way different from normal UAW unions? Better hours, better pay, better benefits, with profit sharing and accountability No they have probably retired with a massive golden parachute package funded by the taxpayers. The quadrupling of the salary happened years ago.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:59
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I think the Saturn died because it just wasn't very good and people were already trying to strap poo poo to their Genesises like Sega CD and the 32x, then Sega came out with the Saturn and people were like 'what the gently caress is this poo poo i'm going to buy a Playstation'. Classic market oversaturation.
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Sep 16, 2016 17:35
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I'm not sure if Saturn was ever meant to be a hit. They were geared to take sales away from Japanese cars, not add sales to American nameplates - which sounds like it should be the same thing, but wasn't. People who buy GM are more easily loyal to the various brands (Pontiac, Buick, Chevy). Saturn buyers were not. They just wanted Saturns. Since GM had no upgrade path for buyers, after you outgrew your small Saturn you bought a Honda Odyssey or Camry and not an American car. They tried to fix that and made a little progress, but then they made the new models just other versions of existing GM cars. More than anything, I think Saturn was an experiment GM was running to see what would work and whether they could exchange those changes to the rest of their brands. I really liked the plastic panels. My Saturn's doors were in fantastic shape about 5 years of parking lots.
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Sep 16, 2016 17:36
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Is this still on Car Talk? Take it to NPR
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Sep 16, 2016 17:43
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Colostomy Bag posted:I entered this world in 1973, so I have had the good fortune of growing up with the most shitastic vehicles of all time growing up. It must have been cool to put your feet through the floor boards and get the car started while yelling "yabba dabba doo!" though. Krispy Kareem posted:I'm not sure if Saturn was ever meant to be a hit. They were geared to take sales away from Japanese cars, not add sales to American nameplates - which sounds like it should be the same thing, but wasn't. People who buy GM are more easily loyal to the various brands (Pontiac, Buick, Chevy). Saturn buyers were not. They just wanted Saturns. Since GM had no upgrade path for buyers, after you outgrew your small Saturn you bought a Honda Odyssey or Camry and not an American car. They tried to fix that and made a little progress, but then they made the new models just other versions of existing GM cars. This is mostly correct. If you liked your Saturn, you weren't going to get a nicer model because they were all inexpensive cars, and the Japanese equivalents were still better. Also a lot of people don't like the no-haggle pricing for some reason, RIP Scion. monster on a stick has a new favorite as of 17:50 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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Sep 16, 2016 17:48
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So something we have in every food court in Canada is a fake Japanese food stall called teriyaki express. I have never seen anyone eat there and it always seems to be running weird specials. Either it's money laundering for the yakuza or it's dying
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Sep 16, 2016 17:53
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RocktheCaulk posted:Is this still on Car Talk? Take it to NPR I don't know I'm kind of digging it.
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Sep 16, 2016 18:11
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My car makes a rattata-rattata-trattatat noise. What could it be?
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Sep 16, 2016 18:18
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Krispy Kareem posted:My car makes a rattata-rattata-trattatat noise. What could it be? Sounds like a brother-in-law 
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Sep 16, 2016 18:24
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Booblord Zagats posted:Calling PSU a "Public Ivy" is about the same as calling Univ. Maimi "The Harvard of the South" in all that it does it show how incredibly massive the person's inferiority complex really is. I went to UMiami and have never heard that expression before. I dont think UM pretends to be anything but a rich party school that used to be good at football
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Sep 16, 2016 18:39
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monster on a stick posted:It must have been cool to put your feet through the floor boards and get the car started while yelling "yabba dabba doo!" though. True story, my dad was frugal and lazy. He let it get so bad the carpet wore out and developed a hole as well. While driving he dropped his sunglasses and realized they went down the hole. When he turned around to get them he found he had driven over them. At that point he started to look for a new car.
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Sep 16, 2016 19:00
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Waroduce posted:I went to UMiami and have never heard that expression before. I dont think UM pretends to be anything but a rich party school that used to be good at football "public ivy" is a retarded concept regardless of the school
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Sep 16, 2016 19:05
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Eames36 posted:"public ivy" is a retarded concept regardless of the school When I see 35 year old PSU alumni in PSU gear talking about PSU, I just assume he hasn't done anything with his life since graduating.
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Sep 16, 2016 19:06
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Citizen Tayne posted:When I see 35 year old PSU alumni in PSU gear talking about PSU, I just assume he hasn't done anything with his life since graduating. and you are probably 100 % correct
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Sep 16, 2016 19:07
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two forty posted:But there's nothing to replace it with since no one makes a truck that isn't bloated and full of electronic poo poo so I guess that explains the demand, and why she keeps it. This is something I've wondered about to with some cars in a certain window of time: They're just new enough to have a lot of nice little perks and benefits, they don't stand out, but they're still old, popular and generic enough where parts, repairs and upkeep are manageable.
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Sep 16, 2016 19:17
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