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I was on a tour or something when I was a teenager and asked to guide the same thing about chin straps on old timey hats . His answer, which I still remember, was two parts: first wearing the leather strap down in front of your face provided some protection , and second, if you had a big rear end hat like a bearskin fall down behind you when you had a chin strap on it would choke you I have absolutely no idea what that guys credentials were or if any of this is correct. in related news the military today is absolutely fanatical about keeping your chin strap buckled all times which sucks a lot more than you think it should
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I think RE the chin strap it really is a case of 'this looks splended and spiffing and so soldier we're doing it!' and that is that. It really seems that is the case if there is no traditional or practical reason for these things now.
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HEY GAL posted:i have, in fact, no idea where you keep an ex-pope's internal organs In a mayonnaise jar on the back doorstep of funk and wagnalls.
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spectralent posted:I vaguely remember something about how this was partly because Hitler was lazy so he'd just give people ideas and let them get on with it. Is that right? I don't know that I'd ascribe it to lazyness. It wasn't some kind of goony "I'm an idea man  " bullshit, and more everyone trying to shoehorn a philosophical system into guidance on even the most technical or mundane poo poo. A lot of it was stuff that he personally never really thought about. Think of it this way: you're a subway conductor in 1935. The ideological "coordination" of the country is well under way and, in order to keep your job, you've just joined the Nazi subway driver's union. If you're a go getter who really wants to kick his career off maybe you've even joined the party and have gotten involved in organizing party leisure activities for your fellow subway employees. There are some major incentives for working Nazi theory and ideology into every aspect of your work. Problem: most Nazi ideology is a kind of loose weaving together of a bunch of poo poo without concrete statements on a whole raft of poo poo. This holds doubly true for the sort of technical bullshit that you have to worry about in your daily life as a subway driver. So, to fill in those gaps, you start thinking of the things that the Fuhrer has said in the past and imagining what his opinion of it might be. So, when those nice Hitler Youth lads are on their way to a meeting but don't have subway fare you're in a bit of a bind. Is it your professional duty to make sure that the subway riders pay for their trips, or should you make an exception here? What would most benefit the great revival of the German national community? In other words, what would Hitler do? Hitler probably doesn't give two shits about subway tickets and hasn't thought about them at all, but you can use what you know about him (or think you know about him) as a rubric to help with your own decisions. edit: Now move that same general principle over to being, say, a policeman in occupied Lithuania who works with a lot of Jews. You know that Hitler doesn't particularly care for Jews and everyone is under the same political pressure to out-Nazi each other in pursuit of promotions etc. When decisions have to be made in the field about how to handle various things you can see how this gets tragic quickly.
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Then a T-34 tank shows up and it is all suddenly irrelevant!
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did this get posted over here? pro clickB4Ctom1 posted:Just gonna paste this right here
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And yet my primary complaint is that the T34 doesn't have a motorized turret. E: Huh actually no it does it's just utterly poo poo, didn't know that. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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Sep 16, 2016 16:06
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The end bit is golden.
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OwlFancier posted:And yet my primary complaint is that the T34 doesn't have a motorized turret. Er, what, the T34 had one of the fastest powered traverses in the war. quote:The vaunted Panther tank had, in its first iteration (Panther Ausführung D), one of the slowest-turning turrets in the war, taking a full minute to traverse 360º. The gearing on the turret was changed in the Ausf. A, the next version, and all subsequent Panthers, giving the tank a competitive 15-second full-circle. But that didn’t last; a November, 1943 decision to govern the engine to a lower max RPM reduced slew rate to 18 seconds on Panthers from that point forward — if the crews didn’t learn about and adjust the governors. This was done to try to increase engine reliability: more Panthers were being lost to breakdowns than to Allied gunfire.
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During the Revolution, Louis XVI's son died of tuberculosis, and a sneaky royalist doctor cut out his heart as a sign of acknowledging the kid's royalty, since that was the tradition for French kings. The heart was snuck out of Paris and bounced around for a couple centuries until it was finally buried in 2004. It's a weird embalming tradition, but embalming is pretty weird in general if you look at it.
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Fangz posted:Er, what, the T34 had one of the fastest powered traverses in the war. That quote about T-34 having a 12 second powered traverse is great until you remember that T-34s didn't have turret baskets so the loader was in real danger of having his legs cut off if he was standing in the wrong place when the gunner traversed the turret
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MikeCrotch posted:That quote about T-34 having a 12 second powered traverse is great until you remember that T-34s didn't have turret baskets so the loader was in real danger of having his legs cut off if he was standing in the wrong place when the gunner traversed the turret This was only a problem on the ridiculous T-34-3 (not the WoT one, the other one). There isn't much in a regular T-34 turret that would be able to do that to a loader, and I haven't read any complaints about injured loaders.
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StashAugustine posted:We do have a decent idea where Benedict's are, though
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SlothfulCobra posted:During the Revolution, Louis XVI's son died of tuberculosis, and a sneaky royalist doctor cut out his heart as a sign of acknowledging the kid's royalty, since that was the tradition for French kings. The heart was snuck out of Paris and bounced around for a couple centuries until it was finally buried in 2004. And Louis XVI's own heart (or at least part of it) was eaten by William Buckland, famed geologist and Dean of Westminster. There's also a story that he was shown a church where tradition had it that the blood of the patron saint regularly pooled on the floor. He immediately knelt down and licked it up, and identified the liquid as bat urine.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I don't know that I'd ascribe it to lazyness. It wasn't some kind of goony "I'm an idea man Ah, I definitely parsed it as more the former, but my understanding was definitely that it was even with fairly direct communications. Like, less a train conductor getting abstract ideas from speeches and more generals getting "We'll take out the soviet union, in some way", that lead to the obvious kind of results.
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bewbies posted:did this get posted over here? pro click This update of War Thunder lookin' good, not sure if the game needs ox carts though. While discussing scenes from Korean films I can't desist posting this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuUR95-o_fw 2000 years from now archeologists are going to find a copy of this movie and historians will use it to study 20th century warfare. e: or this maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIiHJHzqWbg Nenonen fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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spectralent posted:Ah, I definitely parsed it as more the former, but my understanding was definitely that it was even with fairly direct communications. Like, less a train conductor getting abstract ideas from speeches and more generals getting "We'll take out the soviet union, in some way", that lead to the obvious kind of results. I think there are reasons to be less surprised about it in the military context since a lot of senior generals were already in pretty strong ideological agreement with Hitler and scarcely needed encouragement to undertake initiatives of their own to wipe out Jews and communists.
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SlothfulCobra posted:During the Revolution, Louis XVI's son died of tuberculosis, and a sneaky royalist doctor cut out his heart as a sign of acknowledging the kid's royalty, since that was the tradition for French kings. The heart was snuck out of Paris and bounced around for a couple centuries until it was finally buried in 2004. Robert the Bruce asked on his deathbed that his heart be taken to Jerusalem. However, that seemed unfeasible to his knights, so they took it to Spain instead. Then they took the heart along with them to a battle where most of them got killed. The ones that survived took the heart back to Scotland. When parts of your body can have swashbuckling foreign adventures after you die, that's true kingship.
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when QE 1 said she had the heart and stomach of a king of england, did she mean on her desk
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The D&D WW2 thread doesn't suck anymore, I swear. There's a bit of an argument about larger Japanese strategy going on at the moment: what was possible, what should have been done, that sort of thing. It's no longer endless atom bomb arguments and such. Not really much about which tank is better but it's still no longer a garbage thread.
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HEY GAL posted:when QE 1 said she had the heart and stomach of a king of england, did she mean on her desk Maybe in a shelf in her throne, like the stone of scone.
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Pretty neat article about experimental weapons research during WWII from the National Archives' magazine. Highlights:
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The liquid methane bombs sound like a great follow up to firebombing
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HEY GAL posted:when QE 1 said she had the heart and stomach of a king of england, did she mean on her desk And the wingspan of an albatross!
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Hargrimm posted:Pretty neat article about experimental weapons research during WWII from the National Archives' magazine. quote:While historic breakthroughs such as the atomic bomb and the invention of penicillin were widely covered products of U.S. scientific research during the war... What? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_penicillin
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Pfizer was the first company to mass produce penicillin for medical use. They invented the process.
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Fangz posted:Er, what, the T34 had one of the fastest powered traverses in the war. I genuinely thought they were hand cranked, looked it up and wikipedia says some were built with turret motors but not the basic model, and they were apparently not great? Otherwise I can only find information on the upgunned version having a turret motor but nothing about how fast it was. E: Ok looks like the 85 did have a good one, was it present in the 76? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq9lKJq1xQ0 OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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Hey does anyone want to read about battleship design? drat straight you do (for certain values of you possibly not including the thread's grand elector): The Weird and Wonderful World of North Carolina Designs: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3
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cheerfullydrab posted:Robert the Bruce asked on his deathbed that his heart be taken to Jerusalem. However, that seemed unfeasible to his knights, so they took it to Spain instead. Then they took the heart along with them to a battle where most of them got killed. The ones that survived took the heart back to Scotland. When parts of your body can have swashbuckling foreign adventures after you die, that's true kingship. Oh, was that why his heart was buried separately from his body? I had always wondered after a childhood visit to Dunfermline Abbey where we found out that his bones were buried there but his heart was stuck in the ground at Melrose Abbey, 40 miles away. That they were going to take it on pilgrimage and ended up not getting very far so just stuck them at the nearest abbey makes sense.
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xthetenth posted:Hey does anyone want to read about battleship design? drat straight you do (for certain values of you possibly not including the thread's grand elector): Can confirm: good posts.
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OwlFancier posted:I genuinely thought they were hand cranked, looked it up and wikipedia says some were built with turret motors but not the basic model, and they were apparently not great? Yeah, the 76 did have the electric traverse as well, though it lacked the neat integrated joystick thing. I don't know what you are talking about as the 'basic model'. The 1940 variant?
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I don't entirely know either, wikipedia isn't very clear which model it's talking about at any given time and the source it links to doesn't work. Dunno where I got the idea that it was hand cranked from then because it pretty clearly has a baller turret motor.
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Polikarpov posted:Pfizer was the first company to mass produce penicillin for medical use. They invented the process. Which is not the same as the "invention of penicillin".
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Polikarpov posted:Pfizer was the first company to mass produce penicillin for medical use. They invented the process. Maybe dont claim all scientific progress is American? Look up Tube Alloys too.
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My favorite battleships are the pre-dreadnought designs that are fatter on the waterline and covered in casemate guns. France built loads of them. "No seriously guys ironclads are going to come back into fashion I've totally got this." I guess we should be thankful that those hatches probably aren't for a carronade. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Sep 18, 2016 |
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What was the rationale for that design? I mean nowadays the dreadnought seems terribly obvious.
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Fangz posted:What was the rationale for that design? I mean nowadays the dreadnought seems terribly obvious. Post-revolutionary France doesn't have the best record with Navys.
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Fangz posted:What was the rationale for that design? I mean nowadays the dreadnought seems terribly obvious. Well they were built only a few decades after the actual ironclads were, so the design follows on quite rationally for the same reason. Sloped armour helps deflect rounds and you're never going to get anywhere fast, so you might as well be able to take some hits once you do get there. Casemate guns are fine as long as you're in the battle line and sailing across your target (you are doing that, aren't you?) and are easier to mount that cross-deck turrets, especially with the aforementioned sloped armour. A dreadnought foregoes the armour layout in favor of a more streamlined hull, more space to mount fully traversing turrets (with really big guns in them), and a bitching new engine which makes them much faster than the pre-dreadnought designs. The effective upshot is that a dreadnought's guns can obliterate the smaller gunned, pre-dreadnought ships from well outside their effective range, and their armour is sufficient to ward off shots from most things other than another dreadnought. The semi-ironclad designs are based around ironclad thinking which is that you'll be fighting pretty close in with comparatively small guns, so armour against those guns is key, the dreadnought designs assume you're pretty hosed if you get shot by a 12 inch gun so the best idea is to shoot the hell out of the enemy before they get close. Then of course you get the battlecruisers which are in theory a faster, slightly less armed, much less armoured version of a dreadnought but with naval treaties being what they were, they tended to produce some... pretty crazy designs where shipwrights were trying to cram as much gun and engine into a certain tonnage as they could and gently caress things like "ability to survive a stiff breeze" and "space for the crew to live". Which also gives you an idea where Britain got its tank doctrine from. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Sep 18, 2016 |
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