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Iggore posted:On the topic of Calais, poo poo seems to be getting wild. Truckers are now ambushed on a daily basis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPFTAHXnO04 Though it might be as bad as they describe, it is reported by Russia Today, well known poo poo peddlers that nowadays always walks in lockstep with the Kremlin approved narrative. And Russia has a current policy of supporting European far right groups (like Front National etc.) to sow internal division in the EU. Russia Today don't always outright lie, but they have a very selected representation of events to hammer home whatever narrative Russia wants to push.
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Sticks and stones may scratch my truck, but Putin will never hurt me.
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Iggore posted:On the topic of Calais, poo poo seems to be getting wild. Truckers are now ambushed on a daily basis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPFTAHXnO04 mobby_6kl posted:Being propaganda doesn't necessarily mean it's false. No doubt it's spun to suit RT's agenda, but there's some clear footage of mobs attacking trucks with rocks and sticks. Unless they faked the videos/gps logs way better than the Ukrainian stuff, seems pretty legit: Yes there are vids of those guys somewhat dangerously throwing foliage on the road to slow down truckers enough to get onboard, I don't think they fake that etc. What I won't trust is the frequency of those events and I will keep being sceptic until some more reliable news report on it.
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I dont get why france doesnt do something about the problems at calais. The way things are going its obviously going to get really bad, like a trucker attacking the migrants or the other way around, and make the authorities look useless. Really bewildering.
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Surprise Giraffe posted:I dont get why france doesnt do something about the problems at calais. The way things are going its obviously going to get really bad, like a trucker attacking the migrants or the other way around, and make the authorities look useless. Really bewildering. What would you want them to do? They've started relocating some of the migrants to other camps in France, a few weeks ago I think, don't think many are interested.
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Surprise Giraffe posted:I dont get why france doesnt do something about the problems at calais. The way things are going its obviously going to get really bad, like a trucker attacking the migrants or the other way around, and make the authorities look useless. Really bewildering. Authorities are useless, because useful authorities require a certain amount of personnel, and this means jobs paid by taxpayers, and the national discourse in French like elsewhere has been that such jobs are evil and must be eliminated in all circumstances. Everyone complains that il y a trop de fonctionnaires and then there's a terrorist attack that kills a hundred people and they whine "the terrorists were S-filed! Why didn't the police watch over them? By the way there are too many policemen, we should fire 90% of them." France is the slow suicide of a country that has decided it should no longer function.
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LemonDrizzle posted:
Ghastly Terrorist Attacks: A Silver Lining by François Hollande.
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Zudgemud posted:Yes there are vids of those guys somewhat dangerously throwing foliage on the road to slow down truckers enough to get onboard, I don't think they fake that etc. What I won't trust is the frequency of those events and I will keep being sceptic until some more reliable news report on it. If these scenes to you look somewhat dangerous, I wonder what it would take to escalate to just dangerous.
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Berlin elections: https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/777538300815040513 https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/777537825797472256 e: the East/West Berlin split is much stronger than I'd have expected - die Linke got 11.5% in the West and 26% in the East (where they had the highest vote share of any party), while the CDU got 21% and 13.5%: https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/777540139459416068 LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Sep 18, 2016 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:
why is he so unpopular again?
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icantfindaname posted:why is he so unpopular again?
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icantfindaname posted:why is he so unpopular again? One part of that is that he has about as much charisma as the funky mold growing in the back of your fridge behind that tupperwared soup that's been there for months and that you don't dare to touch anymore. Another part is that he's been busy breaking his campaign promises and showing a complete spinelessness in all things except for when it's time to crush workers' rights. And the last part is that the French always hate their presidents. There's a "state of grace" of about 100 days, give or take, where people go "yay the new president is not the last, I loving hated the last" but after that normality resumes.
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Cat Mattress posted:One part of that is that he has about as much charisma as the funky mold growing in the back of your fridge behind that tupperwared soup that's been there for months and that you don't dare to touch anymore.
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It doesn't help the president has a hairdresser that costs 10k a month.
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Kurtofan posted:presidents live like kings, it's not really new. Yeah, but he doesn't even have any hair. That's a totally new level of decadence.
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waitwhatno posted:Yeah, but he doesn't even have any hair. That's a totally new level of decadence. François Hollande does have hair! Our next president Alain Juppé doesn't however, and you can't imagine how much it will cost in chamois skins to keep that cranium shiny.
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A good reason not to vote Le Pen; hairdressers for women are always twice as expensive as those for men.
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waitwhatno posted:Yeah, but he doesn't even have any hair. That's a totally new level of decadence. he bald
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Flowers For Algeria posted:François Hollande does have hair! Our next president Alain Juppé doesn't however Not on his head...
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icantfindaname posted:why is he so unpopular again?
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LemonDrizzle posted:Berlin elections: The AfD also got 50% more votes in the East (17% compared to 12,1%) than in the West. Apparently, people who got civil thinking bludgeoned out of them for 40 years are traumatized and will vote for lovely populist parties like the Linke and the AfD if they promise to soothe their psychological pain with a primitive "us poor slobs vs. the man" narrative. It is really sad. The East is lost for another generation to left and right Pied Pipers.
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There are districts in the East where 50+% of votes went to Linke and AfD, which is loving horrifying. They probably just straight up eat Wessis and Journalists there. Get off the BVG, vanish without a trace. Marzahn-Hellersdorf is one of the most hosed up places I've been to in this gay republic. Just hordes of inbred-looking people with terminal cases of resting bitch face among Stalin meets Mordor style architecture. I was passing out leaflets for the local Wahlkreiskandidat and a dude gruffly told me that he "couldn't read" ("gannich lesn"). I was shocked and saddened at this until the next six people also said it and I realized that this was in fact the local charm and wit on display. The only thing that's stopping those people from collectively killing themselves is spite I'm pretty sure. I realize that I'm supposed to feel sorry for them but I loving can't.
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What's wrong with die Linke? (I have no idea about non-CDU German politics and am basically fishing for a Deutsche Politik effortpost, no GaussianCopula though plz)
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aphid_licker posted:Get off the Marzahn-Hellersdorf is one of the most hosed up places I've been to in this gay republic. Just hordes of inbred-looking people with terminal cases of resting bitch face among Stalin meets Mordor style architecture. I was passing out leaflets for the local Wahlkreiskandidat and a dude gruffly told me that he "couldn't read" ("gannich lesn"). FWIW, I supported Kastschajew.
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Pizdec posted:What's wrong with die Linke? (I have no idea about non-CDU German politics and am basically fishing for a Deutsche Politik effortpost, no GaussianCopula though plz) They are the rebranded SED of the GDR and their "the system is rotten" populism laid the groundwork for the AfD and other Fringers.Voting Linke in Germany is like voting Phalangist Party in Spain. Hardcore retarded.
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http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2016/09/19/97001-20160919FILWWW00168-merkel-admet-une-impreparation-dans-l-accueil-des-refugies.phpquote:Angela Merkel a assumé lundi sa part de responsabilité dans l'échec de son parti, la CDU, aux élections régionales à Berlin et a admis que son gouvernement avait été insuffisamment préparé à l'accueil des réfugiés décidé il y a un an. Merkel admits her government wasn't prepared to manage the refugee influx when she welcomed them in 2015. It's a shame she only admits it after an electoral bruise. As with the Calais jungle, it isn't an indictment of the presence of the refugees and migrants, which would be foolish to entertain, but rather a glaring failure of public policy that is difficult to understand. I live on the other side of the Atlantic and I can't imagine how the public wouldn't respond if something similar happened. It is true that Canada only toke 25 000 (and the U.S.A an even lower per capita ratio), but at least they'll likely have a higher rate of successful integration and at a much lower social cost at that.
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Iggore posted:As with the Calais jungle, it isn't an indictment of the presence of the refugees and migrants, which would be foolish to entertain, but rather a glaring failure of public policy that is difficult to understand. Quick history: once there was an actual refugee camp. One with proper installations and all. It was at Sangatte. Nicolas Sarkozy, in one of his countless fart-brained populist moves, decided to close it. "Look! Me am making GBS threads all over furriners! Me am worse than Le Pen! Vote for me instead of vote for Le Pen", he'd then famously say. Anyway, there were still just enough respect for the rule of law in the police force at the time that the refugees in the Sangatte camp were not all slaughtered, so it turns out that closing the camp did not actually solve the problem of having a bunch of refugees around. Who would have guessed it? The refugees turned out to create their own, parallel, illegal camp: the Calais jungle was born. In short, Sarkozy sucks.
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Cat Mattress posted:Quick history: once there was an actual refugee camp. One with proper installations and all. It was at Sangatte. Nicolas Sarkozy, in one of his countless fart-brained populist moves, decided to close it. "Look! Me am making GBS threads all over furriners! Me am worse than Le Pen! Vote for me instead of vote for Le Pen", he'd then famously say. Anyway, there were still just enough respect for the rule of law in the police force at the time that the refugees in the Sangatte camp were not all slaughtered, so it turns out that closing the camp did not actually solve the problem of having a bunch of refugees around. Who would have guessed it? The refugees turned out to create their own, parallel, illegal camp: the Calais jungle was born. edit - Iggore posted:Canada only toke 25 000 (and the U.S.A an even lower per capita ratio) 
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Pizdec posted:Wait, how exactly did he do that after losing the presidential seat? Or is this sarcasm? I can't tell. Flashback time: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/dec/02/immigrationpolicy.immigration quote:Britain will accept up to 1,200 asylum seekers from the Sangatte camp in northern France when it finally closes on December 30, the home secretary, David Blunkett, said today.  Well, at least the weather is better in Piedmont.
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Iggore posted:http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2016/09/19/97001-20160919FILWWW00168-merkel-admet-une-impreparation-dans-l-accueil-des-refugies.php The thing is though, Canada only accepts refugees when it's ready for them because it's basically impossible to get to Canada without using legitimate, government-controllable transport routes (no-one's taking dinghys across the Atlantic). Meanwhile, refugees can walk to Germany under their own steam, meaning ready or not, here I come!
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Toplowtech posted:Sarkozy actually closed the Sangatte camp in 2002 when he was Chirac's Minister of interior. Illegal camps have been growing up in nord pas calais since then. But most of his Sarkozy ranting is pretty spot on.
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Pizdec posted:What's wrong with die Linke? (I have no idea about non-CDU German politics and am basically fishing for a Deutsche Politik effortpost, no GaussianCopula though plz) In addition to being a rebranded SED, they also have former Stasi(former stalinist secret police of the GDR) higher ups sitting in parliament. Their party program ranges from pretty reasonable to batshit insane, which is why no other party is willing to go into a coalition with them on a federal level. A good example of their retarded nonsese would probably be their demand to abolish NATO and declare eastern Europe a Russian "sphere of influence". During the late 90's they almost ceased to exist as a meaningful political force on a federal level, but then came the self-destruction of the social democrats and they made a huge comeback in the east with their new "Die Linke" rebranding.
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Riso posted:SED -> SED/PDS -> PDS -> Die Linkspartei.PDS + WASG -> Die Linke The abolishment of NATO crap and related Russian-stooging does sound awful though.
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Teddles posted:The thing is though, Canada only accepts refugees when it's ready for them because it's basically impossible to get to Canada without using legitimate, government-controllable transport routes (no-one's taking dinghys across the Atlantic). Meanwhile, refugees can walk to Germany under their own steam, meaning ready or not, here I come! It is true that the USA and Canada do not share the same challenge than Europe. The problem stem from the perception that the Europeans, with all their ressources and know-how, are not giving themselves the means to meet this challenge. They're only acting through reaction while doing as little as possible, probably because population management on such a scale would be a very costly and superficially ugly thing (camps, etc). The average-term and long-term cost of doing as little as possible is clear. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy and wet dream of the far-right: failure of integration of a foreign population on a regional level from which will flow insecurity and social crispation (think mayors banning the burkini). It'd be so easily avoidable if things were managed as well as they should and could.
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