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Waffleman_ posted:Gigi D.G. sockpuppet spotted. Woah let's not say things that we can't take back
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I know lots of people don't like how ridiculous and overdramatic a lot of AA has become since DD, but it's not something that really bothers me. Everybody likes different things though, and I suppose lots of people prefer the more (feels weird to say this about even early AA) down to earth cases of the original trilogy. My main problems with the game is that I found a lot of the trial segments to be kind of poorly done, with weird solutions. Which was not helped by Nahyuta being a boring prosecutor. I really enjoyed the general story and all the character stuff though, and I think it may have had my favourite overall cast of all the AA games. I really liked even most of the random witnesses. Though I also think 6-5 day 2 is one of my favourite trials in AA history. I loved pretty much everything about that day.
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Sep 19, 2016 01:56
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Turnabout Storyteller is a good case and I will write a strongly worded post towards anyone who disagrees. 
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Sep 19, 2016 02:05
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Turnabout Storyteller is a good case and I will write a strongly worded post towards anyone who disagrees. it's not
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Sep 19, 2016 02:06
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Turnabout Storyteller is a good case and I will write a strongly worded post towards anyone who disagrees. Go for it, dude.
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Sep 19, 2016 02:10
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also nayuta being over the top hostile always even though he was being co-erced was weird
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Sep 19, 2016 02:18
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Turnabout Storyteller is a good case and I will write a strongly worded post towards anyone who disagrees. Agreed. It has nothing to do with the rest of the game but I'm glad it was there.
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Sep 19, 2016 02:19
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Turnabout Storyteller was fine, it was just oddly placed. Might have been better to switch cases 2 and 4, though that would mean Apollo would be absent for a really long time. As far as the dramatic stuff goes, I'm still on case 5 (beat Phoenix's rear end in court, now we're back in Kura'in investigating) but I don't really feel like it's that big a deal. AA5 didn't really up the drama in any significant way when you compare it to say, Dahlia who came back from the dead just to kill Maya in revenge for Mia. Hopefully the next game dials it back, but having a country-spanning problem is cool when it happens sparsely.
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Sep 19, 2016 02:31
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Momomo posted:Turnabout Storyteller was fine, it was just oddly placed. Might have been better to switch cases 2 and 4, though that would mean Apollo would be absent for a really long time. Buddy, you have not yet reached the drama.
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Sep 19, 2016 02:37
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Considering the very first cutscene in the game is a group of people overthrowing the government, I at least have some idea as to where this is going, though. Unless they start talking about the fate of the entire world or something I guess.
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Sep 19, 2016 02:43
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something that occured to me is that this game feels like it has a lot less characters in the cases, most cases have, the witness who did it, and the witness who didn't do it, and that's it.
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Sep 19, 2016 02:46
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while im here im gonna ask for help because I'm stumped. case 5 later part of trial 2 on Jove's Divination Seance, after I point out that the hand in the vision is wearing gloves, I have no idea what comes next.
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Sep 19, 2016 02:50
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Cake Attack posted:something that occured to me is that this game feels like it has a lot less characters in the cases, most cases have, the witness who did it, and the witness who didn't do it, and that's it. I think a lot of it comes from each case only lasting a day. It makes things a lot more condensed.
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Sep 19, 2016 02:51
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mabels big day posted:while im here im gonna ask for help because I'm stumped. case 5 later part of trial 2 on Jove's Divination Seance, after I point out that the hand in the vision is wearing gloves, I have no idea what comes next. Both the hand and wrist should be clearer in the reflection now.
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Sep 19, 2016 02:54
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Nova Odin posted:Both the hand and wrist should be clearer in the reflection now. oh duh. I was overthinking it. I actually thought it looked like Dhurke's sleeve, lol
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Sep 19, 2016 02:58
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well i beat it. Here's some thoughts on everything, mostly on case 5 Before I played the second half of Case 5, I was willing to say that this game was the best Ace Attorney fanfiction I've ever read. Case 1 was ok, case 2 was great, case 3 was amazing (probably the best case from the last three games), case 4 sucks, and the first part of case 5 was pretty good. Even the investigation part of Case 5 Part 2 was looking hopeful. Some of it was dumb and fanservicey (Edgeworth) but it wasn't bad. But then it started getting dumber and dumber. A lot of what makes case 5 dumb are the details surrounding the key points of the mystery. I think the main twists with the spirit channeling being used to cover up the murder, and the twist that Dhurke was also dead, were good. I also liked the fact that Datz and Ahlbi's nonsense in the bazaar ended up being vital in establishing the real time of death. That's the good kind of silliness that can be put in a serious and important case (like Larry in 3-5). However, everything else seems very stupid when you look at it. For starters, is Igna just an idiot? We're lead to believe he wanted spiritual power from the Founder's Orb, but he didn't know the founder's name, and more importantly, even if he did get that power, he could never use it because of his "can't see faces" syndrome. I thought for sure that would be brought up and there would be another element to his plan to get the founder's orb but I guess not? Dumb. Why have Amara be such an important part of the case as a suspect when they're showing absolutely no subtlety with Ga'ran? For a short while I was willing to believe that Amara was just as villainous as Ga'ran or perhaps even more so, but that got shot down pretty quickly, literally. Maybe if Ga'ran was not so blatantly evil from the minute she steps into the courtroom, there would be room for doubt, and it would make it more believable that Amara was the culprit. It honestly makes no sense to me at all why they start the trial with Ga'ran at the prosecutor's bench. Even if you think her evil anime spider witch outfit is cool as hell, wouldn't it be better to save that reveal for when you formally accuse her? Dumb. Why did anyone even believe Nahyuta when he tried to confess to the crime? He just said he did it with no evidence. Nobody asked "well how did you get there? how did you hide yourself from witnesses? what about the channeling?" It's so obvious that he couldn't have done it if you think about it at all. I get that the whole reason behind it is to have you figure out why he's protecting Ga'ran, but surely they could have found a better angle to work that in. Dumb. This isn't necessarily a mark against the case, but I really thought there was going to be a deeper mystery hidden behind the assassination attempt, and Jove Justice's presence, but it turned out a lot more straightforward than I thought. Not dumb, just whatever. The last bit with Ga'ran going nuts and all the dudes pointing their guns at you was dumb but I don't know if it was good dumb or bad dumb. I do think that the final mystery that the queen didn't actually have any spiritual power was anticlimactic, especially since I figured it out as soon as she started threatening Nahyuta with the DC Act. I think the case as a whole just bit off a little bit more than it could chew.
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Sep 19, 2016 05:15
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Case 5: Re: Inga those aren't really problems for him. Amara knew the founder's name and he could easily get it out of her by just getting Rayfa to ask. He was also probably planning to give the power to Rayfa so she could take over as queen immediately - she'd likely do whatever he needed her to anyway.
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Sep 19, 2016 05:26
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meristem posted:Late Case 5 Day 2 and ohgod this is so dumb are they implying that Ga'ran used Dhurke's clothes to kill Inga and then patiently dressed back the several-day-old body? I really hope that's not it. oh yeah I totally forgot about this too. And wouldn't his clothes have bullet holes in them? wouldn't they notice the bullet holes??? Irony Be My Shield posted:Case 5: Re: Inga those aren't really problems for him. Amara knew the founder's name and he could easily get it out of her by just getting Rayfa to ask. He was also probably planning to give the power to Rayfa so she could take over as queen immediately - she'd likely do whatever he needed her to anyway. This is what I was thinking as well, but it would have been nice if they were explicit about it somewhere.
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Sep 19, 2016 05:42
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Late game Re: Dhurke's clothes, they're not necessarily unique, there's at least one spare set at the old law offices IIRC.
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Ziggy Tzardust posted:2-3 is the worst in the series but I don't think it deserves all the vitriol it gets. Moe is far less annoying than I remember and it had one of my favourite resolutions I agree with this completely, except I don't know if 2-3 is the worst in the series.
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Sep 19, 2016 05:49
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mabels big day posted:well i beat it. Here's some thoughts on everything, mostly on case 5 The reason Nahyuta confesses is because the entirety of case 5 is to demonstrate Apollo's progression and just how far he's come as a lawyer by taking on Phoenix's greatest hits (Von Karma with an engineered confession and a higher, evil attorney taking over, Engarde with Phoenix roped into defending a client who is coercing him, Dahlia with two very similar sisters, one of whom is good and the other evil, with a strong spiritual connection for one of them) on in an extremely narrow span of time and defeating all of them. It's a little contrived but it worked well for me and it was a great sendoff for Apollo.
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2-3 is the worst in the series for many reasons, including having a notably sloppier localization job than any other case.
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TheKingofSprings posted:The reason Nahyuta confesses is because the entirety of case 5 is to demonstrate Apollo's progression and just how far he's come as a lawyer by taking on Phoenix's greatest hits (Von Karma with an engineered confession and a higher, evil attorney taking over, Engarde with Phoenix roped into defending a client who is coercing him, Dahlia with two very similar sisters, one of whom is good and the other evil, with a strong spiritual connection for one of them) on in an extremely narrow span of time and defeating all of them. It's a little contrived but it worked well for me and it was a great sendoff for Apollo. I see the parallels, but contrived is the perfect word for them, and in a bad way, at least in my opinion.
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Cake Attack posted:something that occured to me is that this game feels like it has a lot less characters in the cases, most cases have, the witness who did it, and the witness who didn't do it, and that's it. I think it's a result of the newer games using 3D models in general. The characters in the old games were just low-res 2d illustrations on the GBA with maybe 3-4 frames per animation, which is a lot cheaper and quicker to knock out for dozens of characters.
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Sep 19, 2016 08:30
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I dunno how anyone can play AA3 and then look at AA6 and go "no but seriously THIS is ridiculous!!!"
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just finished, case 5 review: it kicked rear end I dunno what everyone's talking about. PW is really good at using wizard bullshit in mysteries because they give it super-strict rules. also I like how the game swerved into We Apologize For 4-4 And Also Surprise This Game Is Actually Apollo Justice 2 EDIT: actually that image sums up like every Phoenix Wright case except 1-1 Yinlock fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Sep 19, 2016 |
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Sep 19, 2016 10:33
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Quest For Glory II posted:I dunno how anyone can play AA3 and then look at AA6 and go "no but seriously THIS is ridiculous!!!" I mean, The defendant being dead all along, the main character convicting the Queen of murder, and causing a legal revolution in a foreign country, is a bit outside the norm. Even compared to an exorcism caused by pointing at someone real hard.
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I finished the game last night and felt pretty wiped out with all the emotional fallout. Dear Lord, wild ride doesn't begin to describe that last case. By the end of 6-5, Trial 1, I genuinely believed the endgame was going to be (whole Case 5 major spoilers)preventing Ga'ran or Inga (using Maya) from using the Founder's Orb to channel the Holy Mother because whoever could bring back a loving DEITY would cement their power in the kingdom and probably beyond. But what do you know, turns out Amara IS the practical embodiment of the Holy Mother having survived assassination and being a perfect mix of awe-inspiring and terrifying on the stand (that split-second flash of wrath, lol). Oh, and now she's survived TWO assassination attempts, so despise her abdication to Rayfa with Nahyuta as Prince Regent, she's probably more or less a god to her people. Something that I feel like never got directly answered (again 6-5/whole game spoilers) is why did Ga'ran go the additional mile to kill Jove Justice? I guess to ensure there were no survivors because his Divination Seance reveals he could have ID'ed her had he made it out of the building alive? Also: tiny baby Apollo, that poor boy  But what a satisfying end that final point was. Extremely cheesy in a super sentai fashion, but hey, it's Ace Attorney.On a less serious note, did anyone catch when (Case 6-5, Investigation Day 2) Apollo asks Dhurke about the butterfly locket and Athena starts teasing Dhurke about being into younger women, and when Dhurke points out he's younger in the picture as well Athena huffs out "aw, that's no fun!" Athena, wtf 
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I gotta admit I felt really bad when (late case 5) it was time to point out who was in the coffin. It was like I had a meal at the Cafe Teary-Eye! AHA! AHA! AHA! AHA! AHA! AHA! AHA! AHA! e: Ahaha Apollo inherited the time honored tradition of screaming "Objection!" at the end. Also, the best part of Case 4 is Blackquill putting Sahdmadi in his place, I was waiting for him to get shot down for so long. Also I'm pretty sure he dropped a Gurren Lagann quote, didn't he? nftyw fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Sep 19, 2016 |
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Sep 19, 2016 13:08
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Also I like how (start of case 5)they spent the whole game hyping up Dhurke as this sinister anarchist and he ends up being just an extremely embarrassing dad
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Yinlock posted:Also I like how (start of case 5)they spent the whole game hyping up Dhurke as this sinister anarchist and he ends up being just an extremely embarrassing dad How could anyone who raised Apollo be anything but!
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Sep 19, 2016 13:36
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Apollo's really starting to make a name for himself
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I've gotten to 1-5 in my series replay and it feels super weird to be against a prosecutor who respects your opinion, refrains from manipulating testimony and doesn't call you stupid nicknames. I was kind of hoping that's how Nahyuta would be when he was described as a devoted monk and gentleman, but alas. Also Edgeworth has yet to physically abuse anyone.
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Terper posted:Apollo's really starting to make a name for himself That cannot be Apollo Justice, as he does not have Apollo Justice's distinctive antennae spikes. Just compare it to this photo!  Notice the spikes on the head? Ergo, the person on the billboard cannot be Apollo! Raxivace fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Sep 19, 2016 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I think it's a result of the newer games using 3D models in general. The characters in the old games were just low-res 2d illustrations on the GBA with maybe 3-4 frames per animation, which is a lot cheaper and quicker to knock out for dozens of characters. Actually, it's easier to make the 3D models, since you only have to make the model once and apply the animations to it rather than redrawing sprite after sprite. You're also underestimating how many frames an animation would have and how many animations even a one-off witness would have.
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Kajeesus posted:2-3 is the worst in the series for many reasons, including having a notably sloppier localization job than any other case. gently caress you if you're throwing shade on "In west Clownadelphia, born and raised" Waffleman_ posted:Actually, it's easier to make the 3D models, since you only have to make the model once and apply the animations to it rather than redrawing sprite after sprite. You're also underestimating how many frames an animation would have and how many animations even a one-off witness would have. A general rule I've heard from everyone who ever worked on anything in 3D is that making a new model takes for-loving ever and that's why a bunch of early CG tv shows had so few characters. The easy part is animating them once you've built the rig. I assume this holds true even today. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Sep 19, 2016 |
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Sep 19, 2016 15:05
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haha case 3 the Warbaa'd Dagger
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Case 2: Question about Trucy's "testimony" when she demonstrates her sword swapping trick. (I'm looking for just a hint here if possible...) What are you supposed to do? Present evidence or press statements in a particular order? I think she didn't switch the swords at all and that the sword was rubber the whole time. However, I can't find evidence to support this theory, and pressing Trucy's testimony in order just gives you nonsense answers.
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Sep 19, 2016 16:37
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Waffleman_ posted:Gigi D.G. sockpuppet spotted. Is she still pissed about Robin Newman? Not that I'm not also put off, bur sins of the father etc.
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iirc you present the footage of the show, which shows she doesn't do the sword swapping twirl
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