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He was a space baker right? dude clearly ate too many space baked goods. The Bugs were seriously super hosed up even for bleak Gundam standards now.
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Also, the Rafflesia was a really cool, imaginative idea for a Newtype weapon. It looks great in motion, too, despite the official illustrations of it looking kind of silly.
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I still love F91, mess that it is. Cecily and Seabook are prety great and I really don't like Crossbone's take on them.
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MonsieurChoc posted:I still love F91, mess that it is. Cecily and Seabook are prety great and I really don't like Crossbone's take on them. Vera and Kincaid might as well be different characters altogether than Cecily and Seabook, yeah.
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Kanos posted:Vera and Kincaid might as well be different characters altogether than Cecily and Seabook, yeah. Care to elaborate? I really like F91, but Crossbone's art style is a dumpster fire.
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TheManSeries posted:Care to elaborate? I really like F91, but Crossbone's art style is a dumpster fire. I should elaborate a bit, actually. Kincaid/Vera don't really ACT massively different than Seabook and Cecily for the most part(some very specific oddities like Cecily being gung ho about taking up the Ronah name despite Cecily spending her entire life up to that point avoiding being a Ronah to the point of killing her own father aside). It's just that Crossbone in general bears extremely little relation to F91 despite the characters and setting being the same and I feel like there was no reason that they had to include Seabook and Cecily at all because they had a solid ending already in F91. Crossbone is full of little "this is a callback that didn't need to happen, but does for no reason" things. The Crossbone Vanguard in F91 is the military arm of Cosmo Babylonia, an aristocratic organization that seeks to conquer the Earth Sphere. The Crossbone Vanguard in Crossbone are a bunch of "space pirates" that are actually guerillas fighting a Kira Yamato-style try-not-to-kill-anyone war against the Jupiter Empire. These two things have literally nothing to do with each other besides name, but they have the same name for no reason. Old Man Judau shows up to ask Tobia to stop the Jupiter Empire from getting combat data from Amuro Ray(a pilot who last fought literally forty years ago in mobile suits completely different from what's being used in the Crossbone era) to stop them from making a superweapon with it.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Has anyone seen this preview yet? This is almost a year old and was done as a promo for the MG Gundam Origin Type IIRC, so probably best not to read too much more into it.
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Kanos posted:I should elaborate a bit, actually. Kincaid/Vera don't really ACT massively different than Seabook and Cecily for the most part(some very specific oddities like Cecily being gung ho about taking up the Ronah name despite Cecily spending her entire life up to that point avoiding being a Ronah to the point of killing her own father aside). It's just that Crossbone in general bears extremely little relation to F91 despite the characters and setting being the same and I feel like there was no reason that they had to include Seabook and Cecily at all because they had a solid ending already in F91.
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Gaius Marius posted:My best guess is that Cecily taking the Ronah name was a situation similar to Quattro embracing his Birthname in Zeta, trying to turn the negative of the crossbone vanguards actions and the actions of the Ronah family into a positive by using the power of her name to unite the dissipating Vanguard and remake them into a positive force opposing Jovian ambitions. It's more then a little shaky of a theory though. That's pretty much the idea but it doesn't pan out in the plot at all so it just ends up pointless. The Crossbone Vanguard of Crossbone has basically no material connection to the Crossbone Vanguard of F91.
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Sep 19, 2016 01:00
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I mean it's basically an official fanfic so yeah
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Oh hey, that is straight up the colony drop. How the hell did they get this other footage. Where there cameras out of frame in every gundam series? If so where is the show about those brave cameramen and women. Turn A is pretty good y'all.
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field journalists following around soldiers documenting horrible atrocities sounds like a pretty good gundam premise ngl
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That's MS ERA but its a book 
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they even talk about what happened to their fictional journalists since the books fictional publication, a lot of them died...
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It was also made in the short time period when the War In The Pocket designs were going to replace the original designs from '79, instead of just fitting more MSs into the one year war, so the GMs are Cold Climate types rather than the dweebier looking original model. It also has a couple cameos from Christina Mackenzie.
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chiasaur11 posted:It was also made in the short time period when the War In The Pocket designs were going to replace the original designs from '79, instead of just fitting more MSs into the one year war, so the GMs are Cold Climate types rather than the dweebier looking original model. I love how the ridiculously compressed timeline of the One Year War and the incredible amount of side story material shoved into the OYW period has both sides prototyping and shifting to mass production on dozens of completely different main-line war machines with blueprint-to-deployment turnaround times measured in weeks at best. Zeon went from Zaku Is to Zaku IIs to prototyping and discarding the Gouf to Doms to Gelgoogs in the space of roughly 9 months, and that's only focusing on the "mass production" designs and ignoring the ridiculous numbers of specialist units like Desert Zakus, mobile armors, or the entire Aquatic Mobile Suit Collection. The Federation is slightly less ludicrous because they didn't have to barf up monsters of the week for Amuro to destroy and almost all of their MS designs are basically various flavors of GM variant, so it's easier to accept there being a billion variants because most of those variants are "a GM, but with cold weather sealing" or "a GM, but with armor plating removed so it goes faster".
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tbf isn't the deal with goufs and doms that they were made by two separate giant robot companies? the company that made the zaku developed the gouf at the same time that some other company was developing the dom, so both designs were completed at roughly the same time, but zeon chose to mass-mass produce (as opposed to the light mass production that the gouf had, i guess?) the dom over the gouf am i getting this right? that's how i thought it worked, which kinda sorta explains some of the weirdness behind the 50 different robot variations
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It all made more sense back in ye olden days, when most variants were prototype Zeon units that never saw combat or models that could well have been in production before the war started. It's only when 0080 and 0083 get added to the mix that things start getting crowded and silly. But hey, gotta sell those kits!
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A lot of the 0080 and 0083 mobile suits aren't new models that were invented during the OYW so much as OYW retrofits, like the Zaku II F2. Keep in mind that over those nine months, technology went from titanium and ballistic weapons to Gundarium and MS-portable beam weaponry, which is a bit like going from cuir bouilli and bronze swords to plate armour and assault rifles, and towards the end Zeon couldn't keep up with the Federation and resorted to just doing in-place upgrade on early war machines as a stop-gap. The million mobile suit models is also something that's explicitly modelled on real life military practices: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Sherman_variants#US_M4_sub-types
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Gotta distinguish between multiple variants that are recognizably based on the same machine and all those retcon Zakus and Doms and GMs, which share a basic appearance but are completely different in every other aspect. They were designed to look cool first and foremost, and slotting them into the existing universe was an afterthought at best.
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Bimmi posted:It all made more sense back in ye olden days, when most variants were prototype Zeon units that never saw combat or models that could well have been in production before the war started. It's only when 0080 and 0083 get added to the mix that things start getting crowded and silly. But hey, gotta sell those kits! And as I said, 080 made sense at first. The Guncannon, GM, and Zeon designs were all getting new looks because it wasn't the 70s anymore. ...But then Bandai wanted to keep the old designs too, and here we are.
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The mudrock gundam is still the coolest and most advanced poo poo that died to my zaku axe because lol agar
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Turn A's pace speeds up considerably once the final act begins. What a fantastic show. Hands down that is my favorite Gundam series I seen. The only thing I wish was different was if we could see Guin attempt to produce a windmill Gundam. But I will take Lily just repeatingly owning him at the end. Poor Sochie though 
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PBS Newshour posted:Turn A's pace speeds up considerably once the final act begins. What a fantastic show. Hands down that is my favorite Gundam series I seen. Congrats on watching the best gundam. The Turn X is insanely good.
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After all... There's a moon... That still shines up on the hillside... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkhF-JIOpUY
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ninjewtsu posted:tbf isn't the deal with goufs and doms that they were made by two separate giant robot companies? the company that made the zaku developed the gouf at the same time that some other company was developing the dom, so both designs were completed at roughly the same time, but zeon chose to mass-mass produce (as opposed to the light mass production that the gouf had, i guess?) the dom over the gouf In terms of "mass production" suits, the Zeonic Company built every Zeon mobile suit up through the Gouf(including all of the aquatic mobile suits except the Gogg), then got beaten out by the Dom, then returned to prominence with the Gelgoog. Zimmad built the Gogg, Dom, and Gyan(as well as all the major variants thereof like the Rick Dom). This basically means that Zeonic built the greater bulk of Zeon's entire OYW roster with a short break for Zimmad to produce Doms and Rick Doms before Gelgoogs came into being. Lemon-Lime posted:A lot of the 0080 and 0083 mobile suits aren't new models that were invented during the OYW so much as OYW retrofits, like the Zaku II F2. Keep in mind that over those nine months, technology went from titanium and ballistic weapons to Gundarium and MS-portable beam weaponry, which is a bit like going from cuir bouilli and bronze swords to plate armour and assault rifles, and towards the end Zeon couldn't keep up with the Federation and resorted to just doing in-place upgrade on early war machines as a stop-gap. The Federation wasn't mass producing stuff with Gundarium armor and beam rifles, though. Only the V Project suits(and all the various side story spinoffs thereof) had Gundarium armor, and an extremely small proportion of Feddie MS were carrying real beam rifles. GMs were built of regular titanium to keep costs down and beam spray guns, while certainly effective enough to blow up Zakus and Doms, are comparable to beam rifles in the same way that a zippo lighter is comparable to a flamethrower and not really significantly deadlier in mobile suit combat than the ridiculously giant bazookas Zeon started equipping later Zakus and Doms with until they put a beam rifle on the Gelgoog. Zeon's mobile suits weren't appreciably worse technologically than what the Federation was mass producing(Doms were basically an even match with GMs and Gelgoogs were drastically superior to anything the Federation put into mass production in terms of specs), it's just that they were a couple of lovely rebellious colonies fighting a war at technological parity with the resources and manufacturing base of the entire planet arrayed against them. Real life military variants are why the Federation's mobile suit variants are less weird than Zeon's. The Federation pretty much used the GM chassis as a basis for everything which means that you could conceivably do stuff like Cold Districts refits in the field with an upgrade kit. You can't field upgrade a Zaku II into a Gouf or a Dom into a Gelgoog.
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The real world analogue for the Zeon production is WW2 Germany, where they screwed themselves by creating dozens of vehicles that weren't compatible with each other and their productions were hampered by competing demand for resources. Heinz Guderian was hugely against the creation of the Jagdpanzer IV because it took chassis away from Panzer IV tanks while producing a vehicle that barely did better than the much more widespread StuG III.
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I thought gundanium was only in Wing, it was lunar titanium in the UC.
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Begemot posted:I thought gundanium was only in Wing, it was lunar titanium in the UC. Gundanium is in Wing, Luna Titanium gets renamed GunDARium after the OYW in the UC
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Turn A is good Gundam, and it's always nice to see the locals not get blown the hell up in sci-fi. .....well, not totally blown up. God drat it Moonrace, go blow up parts of the world not New England first!
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Kanos posted:The Federation wasn't mass producing stuff with Gundarium armor and beam rifles, though. I'm not saying they were, I'm saying that the pace of technological advance during the OYW was insane and stuff made at the start of the war was completely obsolete six months later, never mind by the end of the year.
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PBS Newshour posted:Turn A's pace speeds up considerably once the final act begins. What a fantastic show. Hands down that is my favorite Gundam series I seen. Sochie's character growth is one of my favorite things in a series full of brilliant things. At the beginning of the series, something like that happening to her would barely merit a shrug, but by the end... More ending specific, I love how Joseph is a stay at home dad while Fran continues to be an intrepid reporter. It's cute.
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It was probably one of the better endings I have seen in any series. Like there wasn't a character there at the end I wasn't happy to see continuing on. I'm surprised how much characters grew on me. I didn't realize how much I liked Lily until the end where her disses were nonstop because I wrote her off as the archetype she first appear to be.
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Lemon-Lime posted:I'm not saying they were, I'm saying that the pace of technological advance during the OYW was insane and stuff made at the start of the war was completely obsolete six months later, never mind by the end of the year. what's the usual wartime pace for these things? how long did it take for tanks launched at the start of WW2 to become obsolete?
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ninjewtsu posted:what's the usual wartime pace for these things? Generally about a three/four-year turnaround, if we're taking the Panzer IV and Covenanter as examples. Some were faster, though - the Brits went through a crazy number of cruiser tanks.
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Darth Walrus posted:Generally about a three/four-year turnaround, if we're taking the Panzer IV and Covenanter as examples. Yeah. Generally, materiel that was built slightly before the war or at the start of it was good until 41-43, and then stuff that was built in 42-43 stayed relevant until the late 40s. These are obviously generalisations, but it's certainly slower than the OYW. Funnily enough, if you account for the OYW being six times shorter than WW2, it sort of lines up. Post-WW2 is a whole other matter, with countries usually using 1950s materiel until the 70s and stuff that was designed in the 80s makes up the bulk of today's active military vehicles, but those 80s vehicles have gotten regularly upgraded with new armour, ordnance and electronics. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Sep 20, 2016 |
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The amount of OYW suits is kind of ridiculous but in Zeon's defense they have the manufacturing capability and resources of what, half of the Earthsphere or whatever? Comparing the technological output of the feds or Zeon to any single country during WWII isn't very accurate.
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what exactly do you mean by obsolete? like, the zaku 2 was relevant up until the very end of the war, even though its specs got pretty heavily outclassed halfway through, right? the only mobile suit from the OYW that i can really think of as becoming irrelevant would be the zaku 1
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PBS Newshour posted:It was probably one of the better endings I have seen in any series. Like there wasn't a character there at the end I wasn't happy to see continuing on. The one part of the ending I feel is a bit odd is Guin and Merrybell ending up exiled together. They only had like one conversation so lumping them together (albeit nonromantically) at the end strikes me as a bit odd.
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