Pro LoL 2016 Championships: Underdog does not mean loser

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rabidsquid: Oct 11, 2004; LOVES THE KOG

i know this is dota but loving infinity lmao

http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/17579673/jeremy-lin-endorse-new-dota-2-team-vgj

# ? Sep 19, 2016 06:37

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# ? Jun 12, 2024 21:46

Taciturn Tactician: Jan 27, 2011; The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation; Lipstick Apathy

RealFoxy posted:

It'd be cool if they would let some non-official tournaments take place so teams in the off season could try out new players that aren't going to World's and clash against challenger teams that desperately need the experience. IEM is the only on-going tournament and it loving sucks

Imo if they had tournaments between playoffs and worlds that didn't include the worlds teams it would fix a lot of issues with losing teams being screwed. Just have a tournament with the worlds seed people replaced with the top x challenger teams or something, worlds dudes practice and everyone else get to play instead of sitting out for five months or whatever.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 10:20

RealFoxy: May 11, 2011; I'm not making a fucking QCS thread for this but seriously can we take a harder stance on Kiwifarms freaks like this guy, Jesus Christ seriously, you used to be better at knocking these creeps down. I guess ADTRW mods aren't responsible like GBS mods are.

Hey I figured out how to fix all of Riot's issues! You get 4-6 major advertisers per region, then let them pick coaches. From there a coach will draft a team of 6 players (5+ subs) to compete in a mini tournament in each region with the players winning the tournament each getting a nice bonus. This also gives a ton of exposure to advertisers without being over-bearing and possibly giving the winning "sponsor" a major advertising revenue at World's.

Like let's just say Monster Energy drafts Lourlo, Reignover, Pobelter, Piglet, and Adrian for their team and they come in first, then Monster Energy becomes a major sponsor of the 2016 World Championships. The players get to practice while they're in their off-season, teams can scout players that have good synergy together or tryout challenger players, and we can see teams with 3+ Danes or Koreans for the fun of it. Maybe a player wants to tryout in another region and now they've got a chance in the off-season to get scouted.

You can also buy Icons with flair to help support those players/sponsors.

That's like a win-win for ABSOLUTELY everyone. Techs get work in the off-season to prepare new things for World's, sponsors get big advertising, players get to practice at a semi-professional level in the off-season. Now I'm really upset that it could never happen because Riot is so anal about people being distracted from their skins. I really miss OGN's Masters seasons.

RealFoxy fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Sep 19, 2016

# ? Sep 19, 2016 10:37

Lovechop: Feb 1, 2005; cheers mate

really hope The Monster Energy Monsters take home the trophy this season... great team..

# ? Sep 19, 2016 10:55

Savage Cracker: Jul 21, 2010

Lovechop posted:

really hope The Monster Energy Monsters take home the trophy this season... great team..

Toxic Piglet gonna sink them again

# ? Sep 19, 2016 11:28

RealFoxy: May 11, 2011; I'm not making a fucking QCS thread for this but seriously can we take a harder stance on Kiwifarms freaks like this guy, Jesus Christ seriously, you used to be better at knocking these creeps down. I guess ADTRW mods aren't responsible like GBS mods are.

Just imagine the Pornhub Super Stars with their star player Imaqtpie taking it all home and unlocking the Pornhub Urgot skin in the shop

# ? Sep 19, 2016 11:31

PlaceholderPigeon: Dec 31, 2012

Good old Pornhub Urgot with it's classic VO lines like "I detect the presence of cum"

# ? Sep 19, 2016 12:02

Lovechop: Feb 1, 2005; cheers mate

weldon is chatting about korean teams scouting western ones and refusing to scrim which is quite interesting

quote:

Hey, I'm not arguing with you like on the principles. I'm just saying THEY ARE NOT SCRIMMING foreign teams and they haven't been scrimming foreign teams for the last 5 years in native bootcamps. Korea's tactics when we come to bootcamp for worlds are to pawn off all EU/NA teams on low-ranked Korean teams so that they learn their picks, and then to train against them as little as possible to get 1 stylistic sense for the opponent and nothing else. It's simple information war and training denial war.
You can theorize and rationalize all you want about logic training philosophy. I am only reporting what is right now reality.
The only solution is to burn the f'ing house down. There's no fixing it with conversation.

https://www.reddit.com/user/mindgamesweldon

i mean i guess i kinda knew they did this already but it's interesting to see a coach talking about it

# ? Sep 19, 2016 14:04

Kashuno: Oct 9, 2012; Where the hell is my SWORD?; Grimey Drawer

why would Korean teams waste their time scrimming against inferior opponents? :smug:

# ? Sep 19, 2016 14:07

RealFoxy: May 11, 2011; I'm not making a fucking QCS thread for this but seriously can we take a harder stance on Kiwifarms freaks like this guy, Jesus Christ seriously, you used to be better at knocking these creeps down. I guess ADTRW mods aren't responsible like GBS mods are.

Teams from Korea stopped scrimming with NA/EU because they were always getting obliterated when they were playing seriously and saw it both as a waste of time, and a risk to get pulled into the clown fiestas and make themselves sloppier.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 14:09

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This has probably been posted already, but this interview with piglet is really good.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/53gzpx/piglet_i_loved_playing_on_team_liquid_academy/

quote:

Long time no see. How was life in North America?
"The first split was quite rough as my English was poor; I can only blame myself for not quickly fitting in. By the end of the season, though, I had zero issues communicating in-game. Freely conversing with teammates out of game took longer, but we eventually nailed that down as well.
As I overcame the language barrier, however, I realized how much Korean pros' and foreign pros' attitudes differed. For Koreans, 'being a pro' is synonymous with 'living to win'; foreigners seemed to care much less. I felt many of them weren't even playing to win. They were just there because a team gave them a contract for being good at the game. It frustrated me to no end. My teammates used to sit next to me playing other games while I was working my rear end off in solo queue. Korean players slack off from time to time too, but not nearly as much."

Would you say it's a matter of professionalism?
"Even if NA solo queue is suboptimal practice compared to KR solo queue, it's still much better than no practice. I used to nag my teammates a lot about their lack of individual practice. I heard it's gotten a bit better since I left, but still, what's deficient is deficient."

Was playing in the NA LCS a satisfying experience for you?
"Carrying so many games helped me recharge my confidence, so yes. [laughs] I felt as if I had regained my 2013 form at last, and was very happy with my level of play. It would have been perfect if I had won something to boot. Playing very well but having nothing to show for it really hurt. I still remember TSM not wanting to scrim with us, but then suddenly going 'Oh wait, you guys have Piglet, right?' They wanted to book a scrim immediately. I was that good! [laughs]
For a while, I let some of the praise go to my head. It wasn't my fault I was losing, it was my team holding me back, you know, the general stuff. But the longer we went without silverware, the more I began to blame myself, despite everyone telling me otherwise."

Why did you move to Team Liquid Academy?
"I no longer wanted to play with the first team, so talked it over with the coaching staff and made the decision to move to TLA. I actually was planning to take a week off, too, but was incensed by the flood of lies following the transfer. So many publications were spewing outrageous rumors as if they were fact. Enraged, I returned to practice right away.
The worst part was some fans thinking it was a performance-based decision. I never lost lane in scrims, not even against Korean teams. I actually considered returning to LCK just to quench those baseless rumors."

Why did you no longer want to play with the first team?
"Repeated altercations with a certain player. I was sick and tired of arguing with him in-game all the time. I couldn't take any more of the stress. I really enjoyed sharing all the ins and outs of the game with my teammates, such as Lourlo and Matt, and watching them improve. But that one player was just too much. I wanted to play with teammates, not stars.
The bottom line was that one of us would have to move. I thought it would be better all-around if I went to TLA, so volunteered to move instead of forcing the coaching staff to choose.
I loved playing on Team Liquid Academy. All four of my teammates were receptive to my suggestions; all five of us were always ready to sacrifice for the greater good. We improved a lot in a short period of time. If we had managed to break through promotions, I most likely would have stayed."

We all know who you're talking about.
"Not very difficult to guess, is it? I do have a bit of an ego myself, but his was even larger. I would often disagree with my teammates' or the coaching staff's perspectives on the game, but was open to giving the more persuasive ones a try. That was not the case for him; he could never back down from an argument. It was a shame, really. He's a very good player. We were very good friends out of game, too."

How was your relationship with Locodoco?
"We got along fine, despite rumors to the contrary. There were some in-game disagreements, but that's what a player-coach relationship entails. I respect his abilities as a coach, and agree that TL improved since he took over, especially in terms of rotations. Although not by much... [laughs] My teammates also got better at wave management. Not me, though. Because I was already perfect. [laughs]"

How was "his" relationship with Locodoco?
"They fought. A lot. They fought in scrims, between LCS matches... all the time. I didn't mind that much at first, but it eventually became a problem. Their arguments also played a part in my moving to TLA."

What are your thoughts on NA being the butt of so many jokes?
"I don't really mind the 'NA LUL' memes, to be honest. It's true that a lot of hilarious plays occur. ADCs regularly flash forward and get blown up at the start of teamfights. Maybe I'm biased due to being an NA player, but NA LCS really is fun to watch. And the league is improving at a fast pace, too.
I also appreciate how NA players are less afraid to rock the boat; LCK interviews are so boring to listen to nowadays. Things weren't like that in my day. If I were to return to Korea, I'd fire shots everywhere and make headlines week after week. [laughs]"

Who was your favorite NA player?
"Matt. We spent a lot of time together and were very close. Another close friend was Coach David 'Dlim' Lim. And as I mentioned before, 'he' and I got along extremely well when we weren't playing the game. It's really unfortunate that things turned out the way they did."

Have you ever wanted to play with a support other than Matt?
"Not really. I never go, 'Wow, he looks pretty good. I'd do great with him!' It's not that simple. A bottom lane duo's personalities have to be compatible."

Do you prefer a certain style of support over others?
"I love playing with AP Alistar mains. [laughs] I actually play AP Alistar sometimes, and usually end up dealing more damage than the midlaner! [laughs] But to answer your question seriously, no. All the supports I've played with had different styles. PoohManDu, Wraith, Xpecial, Smoothie, Matt, Stunt - all of them had their own approach to the game. I enjoyed each and every one of them."

What are your plans for the future?
"I'm keeping my options open, and extending with Team Liquid is one of those. As long as the team properly recognizes my value, I'm fine with going to any region. For this reason, I'm skeptical of my chances of heading back to Korea. Most LCK players are underpaid.
I would prefer to play where I would have the best chance to win, though - a fat paycheck means nothing in the end if you end up not winning anything. And I highly value a good team atmosphere. So if I were to order my priorities, it would go - odds of a tournament win, then teamwork, then acceptable pay."

Any last words for your fans?
"I'm very, very grateful to the fans who still cheer for me despite my years of going without silverware. Had it not been for your support, I would have lost interest in playing long ago. Please keep on believing in me. I promise to take home a tournament soon."

Bolding is mine.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 14:22

Kashuno: Oct 9, 2012; Where the hell is my SWORD?; Grimey Drawer

Lovechop posted:

weldon is chatting about korean teams scouting western ones and refusing to scrim which is quite interesting

https://www.reddit.com/user/mindgamesweldon

i mean i guess i kinda knew they did this already but it's interesting to see a coach talking about it

Some rough translations of ROX/SKT/SSG coaches on the subject

quote:

ROX = We could only watch foreign leagues. Through scrimmage we had fun and check out their skills, styles, and metas, it was helpful. However Korean teams are utilize the most efficient methods and are close to the standard that it feels like a loss that we are teaching foreign teams about it.
SKT = Our team feels the same. Playing against foreign teams certainly help, but we feel that we loss is greater. It is true practicing only against other Korean teams will give us good results at worlds. Gaining the experience against foreign styles helps, but on the long run it is a loss.
Samsung = Watching SKT scrim leaks made me worry about security. Also, there is a possibility of foreign teams sharing information about the scrims. It has happened in other games.

Also interesting to note from the same discussion; SKT is most worried about Flash Wolves in their group :drat:

# ? Sep 19, 2016 14:31

PlaceholderPigeon: Dec 31, 2012

Lovechop posted:

weldon is chatting about korean teams scouting western ones and refusing to scrim which is quite interesting

https://www.reddit.com/user/mindgamesweldon

i mean i guess i kinda knew they did this already but it's interesting to see a coach talking about it

I remember a number of things about Chinese teams doing this as well, not surprising. Hiding strats has always been pretty big. The nationalism thing makes sense too.

e: Weldon's been putting out some insightful stuff. I liked his breakdown of Immortals' season and why they failed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMrKTW8iUY4

PlaceholderPigeon fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Sep 19, 2016

# ? Sep 19, 2016 14:33

RealFoxy: May 11, 2011; I'm not making a fucking QCS thread for this but seriously can we take a harder stance on Kiwifarms freaks like this guy, Jesus Christ seriously, you used to be better at knocking these creeps down. I guess ADTRW mods aren't responsible like GBS mods are.

Kashuno posted:

Some rough translations of ROX/SKT/SSG coaches on the subject

Also interesting to note from the same discussion; SKT is most worried about Flash Wolves in their group

Flash Wolves 2-0'd Tigers last year, and they did well against SKT at MSI. Flash Wolves have a similar style to Korea with a lot more aggression which can be kryptonite for Korean teams that are used to teams only fighting for objectives. Maple is such a good player, too.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 14:40

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I think everyone is underrating LMS again.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 14:56

Taciturn Tactician: Jan 27, 2011; The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation; Lipstick Apathy

Kashuno posted:

Also interesting to note from the same discussion; SKT is most worried about Flash Wolves in their group

Why wouldn't they be? IM isn't bad but they're not China's best, and SKT has beaten China's best historically. And C9, is as has become the trend in recent years, only at worlds because they pulled off a miracle at the end of the season and won gauntlet. They're taxed to even make it to worlds so I don't think they're on the radar for teams looking to win worlds.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 15:07

Kashuno: Oct 9, 2012; Where the hell is my SWORD?; Grimey Drawer

I mean don't get me wrong, Flash Wolves are my jam and there's a reason they call them team killer in Korea, but it has to feel bad for C9 to hear that stuff (even if C9 is serious trash). It's just nice to look at how the Korean teams feel about the group stages this year. Rox feels like they have the easiest group, SKT feels like if they can deal with flash wolves then it doesn't really matter, and Samsung is sitting there like "gently caress this is the death group."

# ? Sep 19, 2016 15:21

Schnorkles: Apr 30, 2015; It's a little bit juvenile, but it's simple and it's timeless.

We let it be known that Schnorkles, for a snack, eats tiny pieces of shit.

You're picturing it and you're talking about it. That's a win in my book.

Sexpansion posted:

I think everyone is underrating LMS again.

Probably. I think there's just been a swirl of "rumors" that they all look like crap right now and its coloring people's perceptions a bit.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 15:23

Libertine: Jun 21, 2004; When I die, I hope they say I made the eSports industry a better place than I made millions of dollars.

Lovechop posted:

really hope The Monster Energy Monsters take home the trophy this season... great team..

The Kongdoo Monster is gaining energy... from Monster Energy. God it was so simple how could we not have seen it. He's going to be unstoppable. *Gragas flies in smashing through a wall and drinking an entire barrel of Monster Energy drink*

Sexpansion posted:

I think everyone is underrating LMS again.

For me it's because they all looked pretty sloppy and bad in their playoff, and the other teams they are ostensibly up against beat more impressive competition to yield their spot. It's probably also because I don't have any quantifiable sense of how good J Team, Machi, or HKES is internationally. But the LMS teams seem to me like they will not do well in standard lanes because their bot lanes make a lot of mistakes (even FW and AHQ), and that's going to be the Achilles heel of this tournament.

Flash Wolves Group:
SKT #1 in this group unless you think something crazy will happen
- I MAY played in the China playoff and swept IG, 3-1'd Snake, took RNG to 5 games, and then beat WE twice in a row to qualify for Worlds. All of those teams could have potentially qualified for Worlds
- Cloud 9 beat NV twice, beat Immortals twice, and took a game off of TSM.

I honestly think Flash Wolves should finish 4th in this group. I'm 50/50 on whether I like I MAY or C9 for the 2 seed but I feel like I MAY has a more impressive resume.

AHQ's Group
EDG #1 in this group unless you think something crazy will happen
- H2K swept Fnatic, took Splyce to 5 games and lost, and then handled UoL in 4 clinching on points.

I think AHQ will probably finish 3rd in this group to EDG/H2K, but admit that H2K doesn't look truly dominant either, and feel like AHQ/H2K for 2nd in Group C is probably the closest 50/50 pick in the pool.

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Someone who watched more LMS than me tell me why I'm wrong to not be including either LMS team in my Top 2 group picks. What about the way they look this year makes them convincing? I've watched them, I'm not convinced.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 15:28

stump collector: May 28, 2007

LMS will suck but they'll never go zero and ten

# ? Sep 19, 2016 15:32

Action George: Apr 13, 2013

Group B seems like a hard group to predict to me. SKT should be the favorites, but it kind of feels like they coasted through summer split and Blank/Bengi may have forgotten how to jungle, IMay beat a lot of good teams to get here but clinching their trip to worlds took a lot of throwing by WE in game 5 of the qualifying match, FW should be good but apparently people think LMS teams can't play standard lanes and C9 was pretty clearly the second best team in NA which might not actually mean anything on the international level.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 15:52

Taciturn Tactician: Jan 27, 2011; The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation; Lipstick Apathy

Kashuno posted:

I mean don't get me wrong, Flash Wolves are my jam and there's a reason they call them team killer in Korea, but it has to feel bad for C9 to hear that stuff (even if C9 is serious trash). It's just nice to look at how the Korean teams feel about the group stages this year. Rox feels like they have the easiest group, SKT feels like if they can deal with flash wolves then it doesn't really matter, and Samsung is sitting there like "gently caress this is the death group."

I don't think C9 has any illusions about winning worlds this year. None of the fans I know (me included) do, certainly. C9, even at the peak of their strength, has been a team marred by inconsistency and a profound weakness early. Nothing I saw from them this season has convinced me they've fixed this, the fact that they lost that one game to Immortals when they crushed them so badly in the other three betrays that same C9 swing that had them almost losing to the bottom of the LCS when they were at the top. TSM vs C9 also showed us that Meteos is still prone to tilting. I'm hopeful they'll get out of groups and if they're lucky with seeding maybe they'll get a little further but I don't think they have a chance of winning worlds and SKT does. It seems perfectly reasonable that the team SKT is worried about is a less spotlighted region's top seed rather than two teams who they've already seen lose in their own region.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 15:52

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Libertine posted:

Someone who watched more LMS than me tell me why I'm wrong to not be including either LMS team in my Top 2 group picks. What about the way they look this year makes them convincing? I've watched them, I'm not convinced.

I'm not pretending like I saw the whole season or even watched a ton of games - it's just my hunch that the region is pretty good (it's basically LCK's little brother) and that even if the teams didn't look great in the season, their fortunes will change when they play teams from weaker regions (i.e. not LCK or LPL(?)).

I think LPL is significantly stronger than LMS but I thought that last year too. I'm not sure that LPL teams are preparing for worlds as well as other teams.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:05

RealFoxy: May 11, 2011; I'm not making a fucking QCS thread for this but seriously can we take a harder stance on Kiwifarms freaks like this guy, Jesus Christ seriously, you used to be better at knocking these creeps down. I guess ADTRW mods aren't responsible like GBS mods are.

LMS is awful except for the top 3 teams. Flash Wolves might be as good or better than TSM is, AHQ is a step below that so they're at roughly Splyce or H2K level. The thing is so many different factors can go into World's beyond how good a team looks on paper. China was supposed to win last year but barely made one team out of Groups.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:07

Kashuno: Oct 9, 2012; Where the hell is my SWORD?; Grimey Drawer

SKT is on some next level preparation poo poo :3:

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:08

ate shit on live tv: Feb 15, 2004; by Azathoth

RealFoxy posted:

Just imagine the Pornhub Super Stars with their star player Imaqtpie taking it all home and unlocking the Pornhub Urgot skin in the shop

Imaqtpie will field his own team, "The Big Dick Club."

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:23

Typical Pubbie: May 10, 2011

C9's performance comes down to how well Meteos does which sucks for them because he peaked like 2 years ago and doesn't appear to have any desire to improve.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:29

Sexpansion: Mar 22, 2003; DELETED

Typical Pubbie posted:

C9's performance comes down to how well Meteos does which sucks for them because he peaked like 2 years ago and doesn't appear to have any desire to improve.

Meteos' problem is that he doesn't really play the two OP junglers capably enough to prioritize picking them early in the rotation, so C9 is stuck either using bans on junglers or playing against them constantly while Meteos plays, like, Rek'sai (which is nerfed on the worlds patch) or Zac or Gragas. This isn't too big of a weakness against TSM/other NA teams, but teams from other regions are going to carry hard with those picks in this meta.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:33

Lovechop: Feb 1, 2005; cheers mate

meteos' biggest problem is that he needs to build bork on vi and watch my little pony like his idol xj9

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:38

Chris de Sperg: Aug 14, 2009

Libertine posted:

Someone who watched more LMS than me tell me why I'm wrong to not be including either LMS team in my Top 2 group picks. What about the way they look this year makes them convincing? I've watched them, I'm not convinced.

ahq cannot win games on the Worlds stage without Twisted Fate and are more likely to get 4th than 2nd, FW's strategy is "make every game even at 25 minutes, push up every lane constantly, win drawn-out teamfights because Karsa/Maple" which means maybe they emerge from the shitshow that is Group B but who knows

e: scouting report on ahq video on ahq (both by me, forums user Chris de Sperg)

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:41

Firebert: Aug 16, 2004

RealFoxy posted:

Flash Wolves might be as good or better than TSM is

...Or they might be significantly worse. They lost decisively to CLG at MSI, and that was before standard lanes which are inarguably bad for them because their ADC is a potato and their top laner isn't nearly as strong as the competition he will be facing.

Sexpansion posted:

Meteos' problem is that he doesn't really play the two OP junglers capably enough to prioritize picking them early in the rotation, so C9 is stuck either using bans on junglers or playing against them constantly while Meteos plays, like, Rek'sai (which is nerfed on the worlds patch) or Zac or Gragas. This isn't too big of a weakness against TSM/other NA teams, but teams from other regions are going to carry hard with those picks in this meta.

Meteos plays the three top junglers on the Worlds patch (Rek'sai still, Elise, and Graves) so this isn't a problem at all.

Firebert fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Sep 19, 2016

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:42

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Chris de Sperg posted:

ahq cannot win games on the Worlds stage without Twisted Fate and are more likely to get 4th than 2nd, FW's strategy is "make every game even at 25 minutes, push up every lane constantly, win drawn-out teamfights because Karsa/Maple" which means maybe they emerge from the shitshow that is Group B but who knows

e: scouting report on ahq video on ahq (both by me, forums user Chris de Sperg)

Whom are you making these for?

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:43

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Firebert posted:

...Or they might be significantly worse. They lost decisively to CLG at MSI, and that was before standard lanes which are inarguably bad for them because their ADC is a potato and their top laner isn't nearly as strong as the competition he will be facing.

Meteos plays the three top junglers on the Worlds patch (Rek'sai still, Elise, and Graves) so this isn't a problem at all.

I would dispute that those will be the top junglers. I think the top tier is Nidalee/Graves but maybe I will be wrong.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:47

Libertine: Jun 21, 2004; When I die, I hope they say I made the eSports industry a better place than I made millions of dollars.

Considering no one has played competitive on the last three patches I don't have a loving clue who the top junglers will be.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:48

Chris de Sperg: Aug 14, 2009

Sexpansion posted:

Whom are you making these for?

right now it's just portfolio material for coaching/analyst stuff in LCS/CS next season, was maybe gonna work with one of a couple of teams for Worlds (one EU, one NA) but that ship has probably now sailed

Sexpansion posted:

I would dispute that those will be the top junglers. I think the top tier is Nidalee/Graves but maybe I will be wrong.

I cannot believe Nidalee is not dead yet

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:50

Sexpansion: Mar 22, 2003; DELETED

Libertine posted:

Considering no one has played competitive on the last three patches I don't have a loving clue who the top junglers will be.

I'm just going off of soloqueue but I think I'm right.

Chris de Sperg posted:

I cannot believe Nidalee is not dead yet

Yeah I'm ready for Nidalee and Graves to be done.

I could see Elise making a big comeback at worlds if Nid/Graves get as many bans as I think they will. Obviously Elise has been a decent pick this whole season but, with the Rek'sai nerfs, you could really see Elise/Grags/Lee be the big junglers this year.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:51

Taciturn Tactician: Jan 27, 2011; The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation; Lipstick Apathy

Typical Pubbie posted:

C9's performance comes down to how well Meteos does which sucks for them because he peaked like 2 years ago and doesn't appear to have any desire to improve.

I mean I think he literally doesn't.

quote:

But there's something to be said for aiming to place yourself in the most competitive environment possible. Shying away from the limelight and the unrelenting pressure from fans to perform has its perks. After the All-Star matches last year, Meteos sat down with Travis Gafford to shed some light on his situation. He claimed he wanted to be with "a bunch of friends who just want to mess around." Additionally, he said he "doesn't like competitive where everyone gets pissed off and blames not having enough jungle pressure, and I'm just sitting there running around trying to figure out where to go so I don't get yelled at." At the very least, it is evident the pressure had gotten to him.

The situation honestly seems to be that C9 needed a jungler because of the whole Rush/three imports business and Meteos agreed to it because he likes C9. I would not at all be shocked if he steps down as soon as C9 can line up a good replacement, the problem is just that NA doesn't have a great pool of non-import junglers to replace him.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:52

Kashuno: Oct 9, 2012; Where the hell is my SWORD?; Grimey Drawer

I think it'll be really surprising to see Nidalee or Graves as the top tier junglers.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:54

Firebert: Aug 16, 2004

Taciturn Tactician posted:

The situation honestly seems to be that C9 needed a jungler because of the whole Rush/three imports business and Meteos agreed to it because he likes C9. I would not at all be shocked if he steps down as soon as C9 can line up a good replacement, the problem is just that NA doesn't have a great pool of non-import junglers to replace him.

C9 would be stupid not to retain the rights to Contractz but their stupidity has already been established so...

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all of those (graves, elise, reksai) are top tier as long as you ban nidalee imo

gragas got poo poo on and he's not as much of a playmaker anymore but i think he can still be played

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