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FranktheBank: May 14, 2007; In the beginning...the universe was created. his has been widely regarded as a bad move and has made a lot of people very angry.

On a non-poo poo fit note... Looking at Gila fits for soloish pvp. This seems to be the fit I see the most, give or take a mid.

[Gila, Gila]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II

Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x2

Is there any real benefit if I squeezed in a 100mn? I could add some bling to reduce fitting requirements of LSE.

# ? Sep 17, 2016 02:25

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 00:23

MorsAnima: Nov 29, 2010; I just feel completely shit on. These changes won't make a cat in hell's difference.

FranktheBank posted:

On a non-poo poo fit note... Looking at Gila fits for soloish pvp. This seems to be the fit I see the most, give or take a mid.

[Gila, Gila]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II

Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x2

Is there any real benefit if I squeezed in a 100mn? I could add some bling to reduce fitting requirements of LSE.

Gila is a kiting ship. Both it's weapon systems can comfortably apply full damage at 30km+, which makes every single short-range ship totally loving worthless and a bunch of unbonused long range ships a whole lot worse too. Don't fit web/scram/mwd on hulls not focused on brawling.

[Gila, solo stupid]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Overdrive Injector System II

50MN Microwarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Valkyrie II x2
Infiltrator II x2
Hammerhead II x1
Hammerhead II x1
Warrior II x4
Hornet EC-300 x4

Cap boosters are love, cap boosters are life. They're how you get away from poo poo, and how you mwd for far longer than your opponent. Rf point (you want this, seriously) and changed up the drones (you want valks for speed, 3750 max speed will catch any unlinked cruiser easily, hammerheads won't). 2000m/s cold with no implants, no boosters, no quafe, nothing. That means all the brawlers have no hope, and the only threats are things like cynabals, vagabonds and orthruses. Tackle can get to you, but rapid lights + warriors will gently caress them over. Be aligned to safespots and don't get blobbed and the job's a good 'un. Buy toxot, 8% missile range with no negatives is great.

# ? Sep 17, 2016 22:20

FranktheBank: May 14, 2007; In the beginning...the universe was created. his has been widely regarded as a bad move and has made a lot of people very angry.

MorsAnima posted:

Cap boosters are love, cap boosters are life. They're how you get away from poo poo, and how you mwd for far longer than your opponent. Rf point (you want this, seriously) and changed up the drones (you want valks for speed, 3750 max speed will catch any unlinked cruiser easily, hammerheads won't). 2000m/s cold with no implants, no boosters, no quafe, nothing. That means all the brawlers have no hope, and the only threats are things like cynabals, vagabonds and orthruses. Tackle can get to you, but rapid lights + warriors will gently caress them over. Be aligned to safespots and don't get blobbed and the job's a good 'un. Buy toxot, 8% missile range with no negatives is great.

Awesome. Couple questions (for understanding).

Why Overdrive over Nano? Is the ~1k eHP loss that bad? And with no DC2, am I just resolving that if I hit armor/structure I'm already screwed?
For resist rigs, I thought plugging the EM hole in shields was more important than thermal?
For selecting which drones to use in which fights, if I know that speed isnt a factor (say the target can't break 2000 m/s), then I use the hammerheads? Or am I choosing based on damage type (infil for shield, etc)?
Why EM missiles? Shouldn't I be sticking to Kin/Therm for the 50% damage bonus?
This is a general kiting fit question. So, I want to stay within ~30km to apply missile damage, but I don't want to get within like 18km because of overheated faction scrams. Setting my orbit for like 22-25km won't accomplish this? If I get someone low, and I am aligning to a celestial and kiting, what stops them from just cutting engines and turning around while I'm still burning ~2k m/s away?
If I wanted to buy a set of Low-Grade implants should I go Snake or is there a better set?

Thanks!

# ? Sep 18, 2016 06:30

MorsAnima: Nov 29, 2010; I just feel completely shit on. These changes won't make a cat in hell's difference.

FranktheBank posted:

Awesome. Couple questions (for understanding).

Why Overdrive over Nano? Is the ~1k eHP loss that bad? And with no DC2, am I just resolving that if I hit armor/structure I'm already screwed? gotta go fast. If someone stupid does actually chase you'll be heating/unheating your mwd in a straight line to keep them interested but not in danger range, overdrive > nano for that.

For resist rigs, I thought plugging the EM hole in shields was more important than thermal? Basically boils down to "your shield is there to stop tackle taking home a 300m killmail." Don't get caught by anything bigger

For selecting which drones to use in which fights, if I know that speed isnt a factor (say the target can't break 2000 m/s), then I use the hammerheads? Or am I choosing based on damage type (infil for shield, etc)? yeah hammerheads that poo poo, unless you know they have a raging resist hole then swap to those if you have them otherwise prioritise speed (actually hitting > chasing and not hitting) then damage

Why EM missiles? Shouldn't I be sticking to Kin/Therm for the 50% damage bonus? Literally the first missile type in eft, use whatever you want

This is a general kiting fit question. So, I want to stay within ~30km to apply missile damage, but I don't want to get within like 18km because of overheated faction scrams. Setting my orbit for like 22-25km won't accomplish this? If I get someone low, and I am aligning to a celestial and kiting, what stops them from just cutting engines and turning around while I'm still burning ~2k m/s away? Way too easy to be slingshotted at 22-25km, especially if you're doing the dreaded 'orbit'. Don't orbit, don't be close enough to get slingshotted. Don't align to celestials, interceptors will land before you and tackle again. Nothing stops them burning away, you can choose to heat mwd after them if you want, but be aware they can then attempt a piss-easy slingshot, so it depends how confident you are in winning, how low they are etc.

If I wanted to buy a set of Low-Grade implants should I go Snake or is there a better set? Don't, you're inexperienced and you're gonna die a lot before getting the hang of kiting

Thanks!

Basically, kiting is full on risk aversion flying and the Gila is very good at it. You'll also die a lot while figuring out what's safe and what isn't. And who you can engage and who you can't. And how to shake tackle. Practice in a navy omen, that's the eve-standard kiting learning ship.

# ? Sep 18, 2016 10:30

MacPac: Jun 2, 2006; Grimey Drawer

I just wanted to say that D-W is a pretty cool place to hang out and its been fun fighting in a popular staging system not filled with brave or horde tier trash :shobon:

# ? Sep 18, 2016 11:00

Krogort: Oct 27, 2013

I'm bored of Eve and want to win it for a undefined ammount of time. Suck that I'm still subbed for several months but whatever.
All my poo poo is in D-W, where is the best place to put it for long term storage ?
(I have a carrier to help move stuff around if need be)

# ? Sep 18, 2016 14:40

Bonfire Lit: Jul 9, 2008; If you're one of the sinners who caused this please unfriend me now.

anywhere in lowsec, really, since that can't be conquered

# ? Sep 18, 2016 14:44

Less Fat Luke: May 23, 2003; Exciting Lemon

Krogort posted:

I'm bored of Eve and want to win it for a undefined ammount of time. Suck that I'm still subbed for several months but whatever.
All my poo poo is in D-W, where is the best place to put it for long term storage ?
(I have a carrier to help move stuff around if need be)

Sakht probably.

# ? Sep 18, 2016 14:45

MacPac: Jun 2, 2006; Grimey Drawer

Krogort posted:

I'm bored of Eve and want to win it for a undefined ammount of time. Suck that I'm still subbed for several months but whatever.
All my poo poo is in D-W, where is the best place to put it for long term storage ?
(I have a carrier to help move stuff around if need be)

If you can wait some days you can just wait for a good connection to thera on https://www.eve-scout.com/ and stash it all there.

# ? Sep 18, 2016 15:20

Krogort: Oct 27, 2013

Less Fat Luke posted:

Sakht probably.

How often is the gate camped by hostiles as caps can't make the jump ?

# ? Sep 18, 2016 15:30

Roller Coast Guard: Aug 27, 2006; With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!

Krogort posted:

How often is the gate camped by hostiles as caps can't make the jump ?

Rarely, but someone will probably be around to scout it for you if you ask nicely.

# ? Sep 18, 2016 15:38

Orido Mitsumo: Sep 14, 2016

Krogort posted:

I'm bored of Eve and want to win it for a undefined ammount of time. Suck that I'm still subbed for several months but whatever.
All my poo poo is in D-W, where is the best place to put it for long term storage ?
(I have a carrier to help move stuff around if need be)

Or if you're risk adverse, just pay to have it shipped backwards from D-W to Sakht or Zinkon. The shipping services are always looking to fill their cargoholds for trips in the opposite direction. You might even be able to haul it for cheaper in that direction.

# ? Sep 18, 2016 22:44

terrified of my bathroom: Jan 24, 2014; GAY BOATS

I want to get a super soon but i have no idea what the new post-citadel fits are like

please help me waste my money and my life

# ? Sep 19, 2016 00:16

PookBear: Nov 1, 2008

bonewitch posted:

I want to get a super soon but i have no idea what the new post-citadel fits are like

please help me waste my money and my life

are you in goonswarm? Get in fightclub first.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 01:05

working mom: Jul 8, 2015

Reverand maynard posted:

are you in goonswarm? Get in fightclub first.

You can join fightclub prior to owning a super?

# ? Sep 19, 2016 01:06

terrified of my bathroom: Jan 24, 2014; GAY BOATS

Reverand maynard posted:

are you in goonswarm? Get in fightclub first.

You can't join without a super and I don't want to buy one until I get all the mods I need

# ? Sep 19, 2016 01:19

Jbz: Jun 6, 2011

If you are looking into a 20b isk hull you should kind of have a basic idea on how to fit it, try your best in pyfa then check our recent-ish killboards to see if you were close.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 02:26

Syndic Thrass: Nov 10, 2011

MorsAnima posted:

Whelping uselessly is how you never get better, but ok. If you legit just want a useless mildly tanky thing on field then 2x plate 1x eanm tempest with no propmid, no mjd etc. Hell you might as well go full retard and dual tank at that point.

I should say too, you're going to die to smaller gangs too. In fact, you're gonna die to anything beyond afk stuff on gates.

Lol this dudes wrong. Dying uselessly can teach you a lot.

Also whelping is what a bitch does to pups. "Welp" is the onomatopeia in "welp that went poorly and we died".

# ? Sep 19, 2016 10:27

Fishvilla: Apr 11, 2011; THE SHAGMISTRESS

bonewitch posted:

You can't join without a super and I don't want to buy one until I get all the mods I need

Check killboards from recent brawls. They'll tell you what ~elite PvP~ corps are actively running.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 16:59

terrified of my bathroom: Jan 24, 2014; GAY BOATS

Jbz posted:

If you are looking into a 20b isk hull you should kind of have a basic idea on how to fit it, try your best in pyfa then check our recent-ish killboards to see if you were close.

the fact that its 20b is exactly why im not winging it. i understand 90% of how it should be fit, but i didn't keep up with the citadel changes so im not sure about stuff like: which burst projector to use, how many fighter support units by default, etc

Fishvilla posted:

Check killboards from recent brawls. They'll tell you what ~elite PvP~ corps are actively running.

i did this but it was only moderately successful. i guess i'll just buy the hull, join fightswarm, and then get the rest of the mods based on what they say in there

# ? Sep 19, 2016 18:06

MacPac: Jun 2, 2006; Grimey Drawer

Be the elite baller you want to be and get officer web and point further boosted by your own links fitted to super.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 20:23

terrified of my bathroom: Jan 24, 2014; GAY BOATS

the longdrinks special

# ? Sep 19, 2016 20:43

PookBear: Nov 1, 2008

You're gonna drop about 8b more into the base hull from fittings and fighters

# ? Sep 19, 2016 21:29

ullerrm: Dec 31, 2012; Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

bonewitch posted:

the fact that its 20b is exactly why im not winging it. i understand 90% of how it should be fit, but i didn't keep up with the citadel changes so im not sure about stuff like: which burst projector to use, how many fighter support units by default, etc

i did this but it was only moderately successful. i guess i'll just buy the hull, join fightswarm, and then get the rest of the mods based on what they say in there

What super did you have in mind?

FWIW, supers aren't exactly like subcaps -- there's not a fixed fit that you always have. You have a baseline fit, but you also carry a lot of refit modules and adjust as needed, returning to the baseline when you log off.

Reverand maynard posted:

You're gonna drop about 8b more into the base hull from fittings and fighters

This is about exactly right. FWIW, this is the rough breakdown of costs for my Aeon above/beyond the hull itself:

* Baseline fit (rigs, standard armor tank, and standard mids/highs): 5.1B
* Fighters: 2.1B
* Refit modules: 1.7B

Shield supers can expect to spend ~1B more on the tank mods, but that's counteracted by the hull being slightly cheaper.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 22:02

Rhymenoserous: May 23, 2008

ullerrm posted:

What super did you have in mind?

FWIW, supers aren't exactly like subcaps -- there's not a fixed fit that you always have. You have a baseline fit, but you also carry a lot of refit modules and adjust as needed, returning to the baseline when you log off.

Since the invention of the yurt if you don't have a travel fit for your T3 I don't know what's wrong with ya.

Like literally any T3 that dies on a gate is objectively "Wrong" barring bad luck.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 22:06

terrified of my bathroom: Jan 24, 2014; GAY BOATS

ullerrm posted:

What super did you have in mind?

FWIW, supers aren't exactly like subcaps -- there's not a fixed fit that you always have. You have a baseline fit, but you also carry a lot of refit modules and adjust as needed, returning to the baseline when you log off.

Aeon

The refits is the other reason I ask. I've been in capswarm before I so I know in general what I need, but I don't want to wing it when it comes to a super

# ? Sep 19, 2016 22:17

Landsknecht: Oct 27, 2009; I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb

the aeon used to be the best super but is now probably the 2nd worst with the citadel changes

the hel is now the best super, which 2011 me never thought I'd say (nyx is close 2nd)

# ? Sep 19, 2016 22:23

terrified of my bathroom: Jan 24, 2014; GAY BOATS

Amarrian supremacy :colbert:

# ? Sep 19, 2016 22:25

Magic Rabbit Hat: Nov 4, 2006; Just follow along if you don't wanna get neutered.

Landsknecht posted:

the aeon used to be the best super but is now probably the 2nd worst with the citadel changes

the hel is now the best super, which 2011 me never thought I'd say (nyx is close 2nd)

Wait what makes the Wyvern the worst?

# ? Sep 19, 2016 22:28

necrotic: Aug 2, 2005; I owe my brother big time for this!

Magic Rabbit Hat posted:

Wait what makes the Wyvern the worst?

nah wyvern is still and will always be the best.

# ? Sep 19, 2016 23:08

you feelin fucky: May 23, 2009

Rhymenoserous posted:

Since the invention of the yurt if you don't have a travel fit for your T3 I don't know what's wrong with ya.

Like literally any T3 that dies on a gate is objectively "Wrong" barring bad luck.

otoh the loki gets to choose between having a travel fit and more than 15 minutes worth of ammo

# ? Sep 20, 2016 00:08

ploots: Mar 19, 2010

what are you talking about webs don't use ammo

# ? Sep 20, 2016 00:40

Rhymenoserous: May 23, 2008

AAPsel posted:

otoh the loki gets to choose between having a travel fit and more than 15 minutes worth of ammo

Amarr too, gallente is hosed.

# ? Sep 20, 2016 01:07

BAE B BLUE: Mar 27, 2016

Rhymenoserous posted:

Amarr too, gallente is hosed.

Yeah I feel t3 cruiser cargohold needs some lovin. I mean t3ds have 1.5x the cargohold.

# ? Sep 20, 2016 09:12

Daler Mehndi: Apr 10, 2005; Tunak Tunak Tun!

MacPac posted:

I just wanted to say that D-W is a pretty cool place to hang out and its been fun fighting in a popular staging system not filled with brave or horde tier trash

You tried to kill my Astero, you jerk! :mad:

# ? Sep 20, 2016 10:24

Anagram of GINGER: Oct 3, 2014; by Smythe

turevidar posted:

what are you talking about webs don't use ammo

yet

lol

# ? Sep 20, 2016 17:51

Landsknecht: Oct 27, 2009; I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb

Magic Rabbit Hat posted:

Wait what makes the Wyvern the worst?

wyvern has the smallest fighterbay and has no fighter speed/hp/damage boost

citadel made it so that supercarriers are all about being able to do damage/not get defanged, and now the wyvern (followed by the aeon) are the easiest to defang

# ? Sep 20, 2016 18:08

Ynglaur: Oct 9, 2013; The Malta Conference, anyone?

Is it possible to "reload" fighters using a mobile depot?

# ? Sep 20, 2016 19:53

Rhymenoserous: May 23, 2008

Ynglaur posted:

Is it possible to "reload" fighters using a mobile depot?

You mean dump from your cargo into drone bay? Should be able to. Can do it with drones.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 14:39

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 00:23

Ynglaur: Oct 9, 2013; The Malta Conference, anyone?

Rhymenoserous posted:

You mean dump from your cargo into drone bay? Should be able to. Can do it with drones.

If this is correct, then is de-fanging in bigger fights as much an issue? What stops a DST from dropping into a fight, transferring fighters over to a super, which then refits to replace lost fighters? Are packaged fighter volumes too prohibitive?

# ? Sep 21, 2016 16:53

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