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Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Could be me just combining the two then.

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esselfortium
Jul 19, 2006

Cumulonimbus Antagonistic Posting
Psycho-Pass was great! It didn't shy away from being shocking and gruesome, but it didn't gleefully revel in those moments like its sequel did. It had things to say, and presented some compelling moral dilemmas while also just being an absolute thrill ride of a show.

Psycho-Pass 2 had a different writer who managed to misconstrue every single point being made in Psycho-Pass and turned it into schlocky misery-porn, with absurd cartoon villains versus laughably incompetent inspectors. Nothing made sense, the message was incoherent, and everything seemed designed purely for the sake of answering the question of "What would be the most gory and brutal thing we can do here?" while pretending it was still somehow asking important questions. Absolutely painful viewing experience, one of the worst things I've ever sat through.

Pavlov
Oct 21, 2012

I've long been fascinated with how the alt-right develops elaborate and obscure dog whistles to try to communicate their meaning without having to say it out loud
Stepan Andreyevich Bandera being the most prominent example of that

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

So when Pavlov says "it's a good show if you can get past that it's about sports" I'm like, yeah it's stupid to dismiss a great show because you're a nerd and didn't do sports in high school and don't care, but I think he knows that too and that's why he's saying it.

I got trouble watching sports anime because it's always about people getting super dedicated to that sport. It's hard to get invested when you keep finding yourself saying "It's just a game jeez". Ping Pong sidesteps that issue with how it does character motivation, but you still got to get past what is the same formula on the surface.

My opinion on panty and stocking is pretty much this, minus the singing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9M6nKM3iOU

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

Pavlov posted:

I got trouble watching sports anime because it's always about people getting super dedicated to that sport. It's hard to get invested when you keep finding yourself saying "It's just a game jeez". Ping Pong sidesteps that issue with how it does character motivation, but you still got to get past what is the same formula on the surface.

This seems like a bizarre critique unless you either don't care about anything you do purely for self fufilment or entertainment, or have dedicated your entire life to some kind of objective good such as curing cancer or ending world hunger (the former seems more likely than the latter if you're posting about anime on the internet)

Pavlov
Oct 21, 2012

I've long been fascinated with how the alt-right develops elaborate and obscure dog whistles to try to communicate their meaning without having to say it out loud
Stepan Andreyevich Bandera being the most prominent example of that
Every year, I spend a bunch of time making maple syrup. I've spent enough time at it, that you might find me unusually opinionated about what you're putting on your pancakes. The place I go to do it is at my old school. I would love if the kids there actually gave a poo poo about this unique thing on their campus, but if one of them started saying they were going to dedicate their life to perfecting maple syrup, to the exclusion of everything else, I'd get pretty concerned.

I think there's like two different characters in Ping Pong who's character arcs are about how their obsession with the sport had become self-destructive. It's poo poo like that that sets the show apart.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Matoi Ryuko
Jan 6, 2004


Pavlov posted:

Ain't nothing above criticism.

Megachile already made a shortlist though. Worst I could say about Tatami Galaxy is the repeated bits might go on 1-2 episodes too long.

You seem to think that your posts are somehow above criticism though, why is that?

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

As someone who has watched a bunch of sports anime that metaphor doesn't really describe them at all because there are always plenty of characters with desires and dreams outside of one sport they like to play, even the people that want to make a living doing said sport.

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Pavlov posted:

Every year, I spend a bunch of time making maple syrup. I've spent enough time at it, that you might find me unusually opinionated about what you're putting on your pancakes. The place I go to do it is at my old school. I would love if the kids there actually gave a poo poo about this unique thing on their campus, but if one of them started saying they were going to dedicate their life to perfecting maple syrup, to the exclusion of everything else, I'd get pretty concerned.

I think there's like two different characters in Ping Pong who's character arcs are about how their obsession with the sport had become self-destructive. It's poo poo like that that sets the show apart.

How dare people want to dedicate themselves to an activity that combines both camaraderie, competition and exercise in one easy package.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

There's definitely a tier of show that only comes along a couple times of year if that -- stuff like Masaaki Yuasa's output, or Katanagatari, or Kyousogiga, etc; stuff that you can recommend without reservation about either content, theme, or technical competence. Personally I'm not quite so strict as to call that "the only good anime" but it's a reasonable position to take, and in particular, it's a good springboard for recommendations.

It's good to be critical.

I actually didn't like Katanagatari that much. The episodes weren't very well paced, running most everything good with the show (even the admittedly amusing character dynamics) straight into the ground. Each episode was way longer than it needed to be.

It was pretty, though. :shrug:

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Pavlov posted:

Ain't nothing above criticism.

this is true but my actual point was "too bad this is about a sport" isn't actually a very good criticism, though is a perfectly valid expression of personal taste

were i to say, for example, "i very much enjoy attack on titan, but the show isn't perfect. it has significant pacing problems and one of the main 'mysteries' of the second half was easily solved in half an episode by anyone who could remember what most of the important characters from the last arc looked like, but it took until the end of the season for the 'mystery' to be unveiled," that'd be critical of a show that i genuinely enjoy a lot.

were i to say, "i very much enjoy attack on titan, but you really have to look past the fact that it's shonen anime to appreciate it" that wouldn't really be criticism and would just read as a weird blanket attack on a very large and popular genre of anime. that's the kind of caveat i was talking about : really broad spectrum dismissals of the premise/entire genres.

Pavlov posted:

Worst I could say about Tatami Galaxy is the repeated bits might go on 1-2 episodes too long.

see this is evidence that you actually enjoy anime, and is cool to hear. it's alright that the tatami galaxy isn't perfect, and it's extra cool that what you had to say about it wasn't something like "shows about college kids are almost universally stupid, but somehow the tatami galaxy is good despite that"

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

i actually like pavlov's posts and hope he continues to post in this forum

weekling
May 21, 2016
my top 3 animes are evangelion, flcl, and serial experiments lain. everything else i like i enjoy a lot less than those 3 - i think its mostly due to the psychological and surreal elements. ive seen other surreal stuff like perfect blue and ergo proxy but i dont enjoy them nearly as much. also looking for something that has a similar art-style to shintaro kago

weekling fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Sep 20, 2016

Pavlov
Oct 21, 2012

I've long been fascinated with how the alt-right develops elaborate and obscure dog whistles to try to communicate their meaning without having to say it out loud
Stepan Andreyevich Bandera being the most prominent example of that

ninjewtsu posted:

this is true but my actual point was "too bad this is about a sport" isn't actually a very good criticism, though is a perfectly valid expression of personal taste

Ok I think that mod is right, sports talk has gone on too long. I don't actually care that much about sports anim.

Parallax
Jan 14, 2006

are there any good yakuza animes

AnoHito
May 8, 2014

Parallax posted:

are there any good yakuza animes

Kaiji is good, and has a good amount of Yakuza stuff.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008



my bride is a (yakuza) mermaid

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

oh i forgot about gokusen, but ive only read the manga



and heck, who can forget stop! hibari-kun

Strange Quark
Oct 15, 2012

I Failed At Anime 2022
It's a jdrama, but My Boss My Hero

https://v.tumblr.com/tumblr_m21ohszxaI1qhqdha_r1.mov

movs don't embed...

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

Davincie posted:



my bride is a (yakuza) mermaid

Seconding this. For me it was Anime Of The Year, and that was the year Gurren Lagann came out.

Xinder
Apr 27, 2013

i want to be a prince
I will third that, since I remember enjoying it quite a bit when it came out. Haven't watched it again though, so it's been a long time.

Parallax
Jan 14, 2006

Davincie posted:



my bride is a (yakuza) mermaid

does the mermaid have to slice her pinky off

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

no oyabun would let their daughter get hurt, but they sure as hell hurt those that get near their daughter

ManlyGrunting
May 29, 2014

Davincie posted:



my bride is a (yakuza) mermaid

This is proper, I've never quite had a comedy series surprise me like this one.

Also, my friends and I do an anime night, and completely blind we watched all five episodes of "Master of Martial Hearts." And um...

:allbuttons:

It may very well have been the dumbest thing I have ever seen. It was bad in that rare magnificent way of a complete incompetent trying to be clever. I suppose this is a sort of anti-recommendation, for if you want to see something bad in a completely novel way. It's like the Daikatana or Sonic '06 of anime: awful but in a way that you won't be bored.

e: we were so very glad we had a new Mob Psycho 100 episode to see right afterwards.

ManlyGrunting fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Sep 21, 2016

Linnaeus
Jan 2, 2013

I'm looking for an anime with a great main character duo. The characters are cool on their own but the show gets really good whenever they're on screen interacting with each other. Some examples would be sousuke & chidori, isaac & miria, kurisu & okabe, and gon & killua. Basically, two characters with an interesting relationship that's fun to watch.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Linnaeus posted:

I'm looking for an anime with a great main character duo. The characters are cool on their own but the show gets really good whenever they're on screen interacting with each other. Some examples would be sousuke & chidori, isaac & miria, kurisu & okabe, and gon & killua. Basically, two characters with an interesting relationship that's fun to watch.

The Big O, Kekkaishi, plus there are like half a dozen romcoms that probably fit these criteria since that's basically how they work.

e: oh and Mirai Nikki, especially the mock wedding episode

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



Linnaeus posted:

I'm looking for an anime with a great main character duo. The characters are cool on their own but the show gets really good whenever they're on screen interacting with each other. Some examples would be sousuke & chidori, isaac & miria, kurisu & okabe, and gon & killua. Basically, two characters with an interesting relationship that's fun to watch.

the melancholy of haruhi suzumiya

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

Linnaeus posted:

I'm looking for an anime with a great main character duo. The characters are cool on their own but the show gets really good whenever they're on screen interacting with each other. Some examples would be sousuke & chidori, isaac & miria, kurisu & okabe, and gon & killua. Basically, two characters with an interesting relationship that's fun to watch.

Legend of Galactic Heroes

Linnaeus
Jan 2, 2013

Nitrousoxide posted:

the melancholy of haruhi suzumiya



Tuxedo Catfish posted:

The Big O, Kekkaishi, plus there are like half a dozen romcoms that probably fit these criteria since that's basically how they work.

e: oh and Mirai Nikki, especially the mock wedding episode

Yeah the big o was good and what I'm looking for. I'll check out kekkaishi then, but I didn't like what I saw of mirai nikki.

Bongo Bill posted:

Legend of Galactic Heroes

fezball
Nov 8, 2009

Linnaeus posted:

I'm looking for an anime with a great main character duo. The characters are cool on their own but the show gets really good whenever they're on screen interacting with each other. Some examples would be sousuke & chidori, isaac & miria, kurisu & okabe, and gon & killua. Basically, two characters with an interesting relationship that's fun to watch.

Tiger & Bunny
Spice & Wolf
Dirty Pair

AnoHito
May 8, 2014

Linnaeus posted:

I'm looking for an anime with a great main character duo. The characters are cool on their own but the show gets really good whenever they're on screen interacting with each other. Some examples would be sousuke & chidori, isaac & miria, kurisu & okabe, and gon & killua. Basically, two characters with an interesting relationship that's fun to watch.

Spice and Wolf and Toradora are pretty good for that.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Thumbs upping haruhi, ho-humming logh? It must be opposite day

Tiger and bunny is a great buddy cop duo yes

Pavlov
Oct 21, 2012

I've long been fascinated with how the alt-right develops elaborate and obscure dog whistles to try to communicate their meaning without having to say it out loud
Stepan Andreyevich Bandera being the most prominent example of that
I'm watchin logh right now, and it's pretty good, but it's less about 2 characters and more about 2^10 characters.

Kly
Aug 8, 2003

hi i dont really watch or like much anime but i liked the movie Spirited Away because off all the crazy monsters/demons/spirits hangin out acting kinda normal and human. other things that are kind of like that that i liked are when Goku died and went to hell then had to run across a long path to get back to life, a nintendo DS game called shin megami tensei: strange journey where some times demons were friendly and you could talk them out of fighting or into joining you and the game Disgaea where everyone is in a netherworld and are evil demons but still go about their normal day-to-day demon stuff. are there any movies or shows that are kind of like this? like a "lots of different monsters being weird but still acting kind of human" genre?

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Kly posted:

hi i dont really watch or like much anime but i liked the movie Spirited Away because off all the crazy monsters/demons/spirits hangin out acting kinda normal and human. other things that are kind of like that that i liked are when Goku died and went to hell then had to run across a long path to get back to life, a nintendo DS game called shin megami tensei: strange journey where some times demons were friendly and you could talk them out of fighting or into joining you and the game Disgaea where everyone is in a netherworld and are evil demons but still go about their normal day-to-day demon stuff. are there any movies or shows that are kind of like this? like a "lots of different monsters being weird but still acting kind of human" genre?

These aren't necessarily similar in tone, but you might enjoy:

Anime or manga:
Natsume Yuujinchou (human kid makes friends with monsters and solves their problems; it's quiet, calm, generally low-stakes)
Dororon! Enma-kun (kind of like Disgaea with filthy humor, it's very funny but crosses some lines here and there)
Ushio and Tora (basically Calvin & Hobbes: Demon Hunters. it's early 90s as gently caress, probably bears some resemblance to the stuff you liked in DBZ)

Manga only:
HELCK (action comedy with the premise of being a JRPG from the perspective of the monsters)

Droyer
Oct 9, 2012

GeGeGe no Kitaro, the original yokai/human anime

Knorth
Aug 19, 2014

Buglord
Hoozuki no Reitetsu - The day to day lives of demons in a pretty tightly-run, beureacratic Hell

EGSunBro
Nov 1, 2012

PEPSI FOR TV-GAME
So I watched Flying Witch with a friend recently. He loved it but he's very new to anime, with that being his third ever, and he asked me if I knew any more slice of life shows that were completely about normal life and normal problems. I know of a couple such as Shirobako but they weren't quite what he was looking for. He wants a show about adults dealing with mundane relationship drama in a totally realistic world, he said he's trying to find the "mumble core" of anime.

Any shows that match that? I don't know slice of life very well.

Knorth
Aug 19, 2014

Buglord
Usagi Drop is a pretty mundane but very touching story about a man's life evolving around his newly adopted daughter

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

EGSunBro posted:

So I watched Flying Witch with a friend recently. He loved it but he's very new to anime, with that being his third ever, and he asked me if I knew any more slice of life shows that were completely about normal life and normal problems. I know of a couple such as Shirobako but they weren't quite what he was looking for. He wants a show about adults dealing with mundane relationship drama in a totally realistic world, he said he's trying to find the "mumble core" of anime.

Any shows that match that? I don't know slice of life very well.

Welcome to the NHK :unsmigghh:.

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Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.

Neddy Seagoon posted:

Welcome to the NHK :unsmigghh:.

Has some pretty abhorrent views on mental illness and depression, yo.

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