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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Can someone give me an example of the kind of change they were looking for in Civil War? I was hoping for a portion of the Avengers to take the lower states and secede from the union. Bucky dies of Tuberculosis or perhaps Dysentery.
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computer parts posted:Bucky either being redeemed or actually killed off would be an obvious one. Bucky being killed off would be the laziest and cleanest way to tie up all those loose ends though.
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Sep 20, 2016 16:29
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Man, people sure are butthurt about that time I criticized one aspect of BvS. lol I mean my butt's just fine, friend. I just thought it was a funny thing to say in this thread in general, regardless of who said it. Like it's both obvious while at the same time almost everyone gets worked up about movies they dislike (maybe not SMg but he is an advanced chat bot) so it can be turned against basically anyone (myself included).
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Sep 20, 2016 16:31
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Bucky being killed off would be the laziest and cleanest way to tie up all those loose ends though. No, the laziest way is to put him in stasis and then never mention him again. It remains to be seen if the latter will happen.
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Guy A. Person posted:lol I mean my butt's just fine, friend. I apologize, I read too much into what you said
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Sep 20, 2016 16:33
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computer parts posted:No, the laziest way is to put him in stasis and then never mention him again. Even if Sebastian Stan were to die tonight and they never mention Bucky again in the movies it still leaves a central tension between the main characters. Just killing Bucky immediately resolves everything in a nice clean bow and would be a very predictable and lazy way out.
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Sep 20, 2016 16:34
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Even if Sebastian Stan were to die tonight and they never mention Bucky again in the movies it still leaves a central tension between the main characters. Just killing Bucky immediately resolves everything in a nice clean bow and would be a very predictable and lazy way out. Even if Tony killed him?
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Sep 20, 2016 16:40
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TheKingofSprings posted:Even if Tony killed him? That's true. And that could definitely be done well.
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Sep 20, 2016 16:43
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Can someone give me an example of the kind of change they were looking for in Civil War? My issue with the film isn't about "nothing changes" but that Tony and Cap are autocrats operating in a moral universe with a fascist bent. Yet no one recognizes this, or even anything that would lead them to label the movie as "dark." I admit, it saddens me that nerds will scream "NOT MY BATMAN" because a guy killed some mercenaries, but no one is upset that Captain America distrusts anything that suggests democracy.
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Sep 20, 2016 16:48
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Given the admittedly, superficial similarities with Bucky. It definitely would be interesting if the DCEU tackles Jason Todd at one point.
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Sep 20, 2016 17:01
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Of course this whole "if they killed him it'd be lazy tangent" is avoiding the first half of the statement, which was to fully close the character's redemption arc. Which would have been the best outcome for Bucky.ThePlague-Daemon posted:One thing with Snyder's Superman movies is he takes these characters and ideas very seriously and presents them in this grandiose way This is the main reason I love BvS so much. I get it not working for everyone though. It just means when people argue over these two movies it's largely a discussion of "I prefer this style, your style sucks" instead of what the movies are actually about. Scenes like Clark climbing a mountain to talk to his ghost dad, framing the Waynes's murder as a distorted dream, and the showdown between Bats and Supes were far more impactful to me than Tony talking to his dead parents, framing the Stark's murder using surveillance footage, the airport showdown scene and final fight scene did. Halloween Jack posted:I'd like for Captain America to turn away from being a crackpot libertarian back to the patriotic socialist he was in First Avenger. I miss FA Cap too  And also how Batman can't kill anyone (even PMCs) but if the Avengers blow up a few dudes while on a mission it's totally cool because their "soldiers/superheroes".
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Sep 20, 2016 17:03
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Captain America disobeyed orders to go save Bucky and company in the first movie. Captian America lied to, then fought against the Secretary of Defense in Winter Soldier. I don't see how he acted any differently in Civil War in acting on what he thought was the right thing. MacheteZombie posted:And also how Batman can't kill anyone (even PMCs) but if the Avengers blow up a few dudes while on a mission it's totally cool because their "soldiers/superheroes". This is because none of them have had a strict "no-kill" policy like Batman has. What a disingenuous argument.
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Sep 20, 2016 17:04
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Batman's strict no kill policy is something to care about if you're a six-year-old in 1954.
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Sep 20, 2016 17:11
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Codependent Poster posted:This is because none of them have had a strict "no-kill" policy like Batman has. What a disingenuous argument. I don't think Ben Affleck ever said he'd never kill anyone.
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Sep 20, 2016 17:12
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well why not posted:I was hoping for a portion of the Avengers to take the lower states and secede from the union. Bucky dies of Tuberculosis or perhaps Dysentery. "For the glory of the South and Robert. E. Lee!" - The Vision
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Sep 20, 2016 17:18
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Which one of the Avengers is the "It was a war about states' rights!" guy?
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Sep 20, 2016 17:21
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Codependent Poster posted:This is because none of them have had a strict "no-kill" policy like Batman has. What a disingenuous argument. Yeah all those other movie Batmen and their no kill policies. What a disingenuous argument. RBA Starblade posted:"For the glory of the South and Robert. E. Lee!" - The Vision I don't think Vision and his red toned skin would be very welcomed in the South.
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Sep 20, 2016 17:24
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The Vision, noted secessionist. posted:I worked night and day for twelve years to prevent the war, but I could not. The North was mad and blind, would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came. Jokes aside, The Avengers in general could use a bit more cultural diversity. 3 of them are from New York, two are "russian", the rest are from non-specifc America. And there's one alien and a robot. Lot of loving yankees basically. This is something Suicide Squad did well. It included the most important, best demographic - Australians. well why not fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Sep 20, 2016 |
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Sep 20, 2016 17:31
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well why not posted:Jokes aside, The Avengers in general could use a bit more cultural diversity. 3 of them are from New York, two are "russian", the rest are from non-specifc America. And there's one alien and a robot. Lot of loving yankees basically. Does explain the group political dynamic a bit though.
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Sep 20, 2016 17:33
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MacheteZombie posted:Yeah all those other movie Batmen and their no kill policies. What a disingenuous argument. Change up that cape and body suit colour a bit and you've got Rebel Flag Vision.
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Sep 20, 2016 17:34
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well why not posted:Change up that cape and body suit colour a bit and you've got Rebel Flag Vision. Holy crap you're right. He could be the rational actor symbol they've been clamoring for!
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Sep 20, 2016 17:35
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"Mjolnir has found me worthy...of buying your gold at competitive prices!"
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Sep 20, 2016 17:39
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well why not posted:Jokes aside, The Avengers in general could use a bit more cultural diversity. 3 of them are from New York, two are "russian", the rest are from non-specifc America. And there's one alien and a robot. Lot of loving yankees basically. The Avengers had a great opportunity to get a pair of Romani Jews, but they were played by white people for some strange reason V  V
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Which Avenger gets shot to death in a theatre next movie? Captain America: Northern Aggression well why not fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Sep 20, 2016 |
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Sep 20, 2016 17:41
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Halloween Jack posted:Batman's strict no kill policy is something to care about if you're a six-year-old in 1954. Are you denying the greatness of Batman: The Animated Series?
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Sep 20, 2016 17:46
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Codependent Poster posted:Captain America disobeyed orders to go save Bucky and company in the first movie. Captain America is about breaking the rules to do the right thing, regardless of what those rules might be.
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Sep 20, 2016 17:47
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Are you denying the greatness of Batman: The Animated Series? Lol
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Sep 20, 2016 17:48
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MacheteZombie posted:I don't think Vision and his red toned skin would be very welcomed in the South. quote:Change up that cape and body suit colour a bit and you've got Rebel Flag Vision.  It was the first one to come to mind that wasn't Captain America or Iron Man. v v
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Sep 20, 2016 17:52
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Are you denying the greatness of Batman: The Animated Series? I'm rewatching this series right now and Batman is a cold blooded motherfucker.
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Sep 20, 2016 17:52
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RBA Starblade posted:
Haha I figured. I cringed typing that joke out. Also, that trump emoticon is awesome.
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Sep 20, 2016 17:54
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Halloween Jack posted:It's because BvS has become a focal point of the sort of glib bullshit you just posted. The movie is flawed, but the vast majority of criticism doesn't focus on its actual flaws but on relentlessly spewing memes. If X-Men: Apocalypse and Suicide Squad were buried in a morass of jokes about, I don't know, Xavier going bald or the Joker's dental work, I'd probably feel compelled to go to bat for them despite neither film being very good. Man of Steel is flawed,Spider-Man 3 is flawed (and I like both of them). Batman v Superman is a legit disaster. You're well welcome to go back through my posts where I explain in detail how every single facet of the storytelling are broken and terrible, the Martha thing gets special attention from everyone and myself because its arguably the single stupidest narrative beat I've seen in a film in a long time, and will never stop being funny ever.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Are you denying the greatness of Batman: The Animated Series? Probably is. Some people get real insecure about the idea of there being a children's tv show about a children's comic book character. (In which the worst episode of which, I've got Batman in my basement still has a stronger understanding of narrative and character than Batman v Superman
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Sep 20, 2016 18:38
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"Read my post history" isn't a great way to discuss something currently. If you don't want to restate your arguments why bother posting about this topic at all? You could at the very least dig through your own posts and quote them at the thread if you're that confident in them.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Are you denying the greatness of Batman: The Animated Series? Karloff posted:Probably is. Some people get real insecure about the idea of there being a children's tv show about a children's comic book character.
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A good poster: here's an interesting perspective on this movie that might not convince you, but at least gives you a whetstone to hone your own opinion against A bad poster: my way or the highway and here's 5 tedious paragraphs copy-pasted from io9 on why I'm objectively right
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Mask of the Phantasm's plot was set in motion because Batman was suspected of killing a known criminal. They respond by creating a task force whose job is to bring Batman down.
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Sep 20, 2016 18:52
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I always thought both the Snyder DC films were good movies marred by awful climaxes. In MoS he makes the climax about Superman's decision to kill Zod and save an innocent family, but I can't point to a single moment in the film in which he'd choose differently. It feels completely unrelated to the arc that's presented. It might be a good finale in a different film, but not this one. BvS, the Martha thing just doesn't resonate at all. I understand that Batman would be shaken by hearing his dead mom's name, but as an audience member I didn't care. He relies on yet another Snyder(tm) montage to give the scene weight, but by this point I'm pretty numb to Snyder montages. And then a green monster started surfing across the screen and I totally checked out.
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Sep 20, 2016 18:56
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Mask of the Phantasm's plot was set in motion because Batman was suspected of killing a known criminal. They respond by creating a task force whose job is to bring Batman down. Yet the GCPD can't/won't do jack poo poo to hunt down criminals who are known killers of innocent citizens. But we think Batman's gone too far? Overtime and any means necessary to bring him down!
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Sep 20, 2016 18:57
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Halloween Jack posted:BTAS is great. It's also fairly free of tedious mewling about Batman's no-kill code. Actual children watching a children's Batman TV show don't care nearly as much about it as the forty-year-old baby Robins, fallen from the nest, whining about Not My Batman. I've heard more whining about whining than the actual whining at this point.
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MacheteZombie posted:"Read my post history" isn't a great way to discuss something currently. If you don't want to restate your arguments why bother posting about this topic at all? I know, but it wasn't a discussion, it was an accusation saying that I have never made such arguments and have only ever relied on "memes", whatever that means. This is incorrect and just looking at my post history exposes it as a lie. Halloween Jack posted:BTAS is great. It's also fairly free of tedious mewling about Batman's no-kill code. It comes up fairly frequently, perhaps you should watch it again.
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