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CascadeBeta posted:What are the odds that if the first debate goes extremely badly for Trump, he skips the remainder (citing biased moderators or whatever)? I think it's more likely he finds a reason to skip the rest if he does well at the first one.
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High. Also, if you look at Monmouth's actual report on the Florida poll, only 24% of respondents actually believed Trump's dumb Birther non-apology. The Birther thing has also hurt him a little, even among whites, according to their results.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Radio Lab is cool shut your loving face Look at this guy who hasn't listened to Invisibilia aka Radiolab but worse
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Antti posted:Remember when Trump said there are entire districts of Paris where the police don't dare go? I do not! I mean Montmartre isn't great but the French police do not gently caress around with crimes bigger than pick-pocketing or purse snatching. So uh, yeah, I dunno what he's banging on about. 
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Sep 20, 2016 18:36
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:New Latino decisions national poll of Latinos puts Trump on par with Romney for % of the Latino vote. That's not a great percentage, but it seems that Trump has been effectively "normalized" and is not especially weak among Latinos. He hasn't been hitting on the "Mexicans are rapists" drum of late, so people have forgotten.
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Deified Data posted:The kind of women who would even consider voting for Trump probably don't care if they're condescended to. Worst case they prefer it. A majority of white women support Trump. I'm not sure it is fair to say that roughly 44% of all women and a majority of white women want to be condescended to.
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Night10194 posted:High. Of course it did, Trump made the one mistake he can't afford to make: loving with Obama. He seems to have forgotten how torched he got last time he pulled that poo poo. "Yo dawg, check out that long form. Bet you feel dumb now, hm? Oh btw I got Osama, get hosed conservatives.  "
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Sep 20, 2016 18:37
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Goatman Sacks posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/778238281196662784 https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/778251065242357760 Andrea Mitchell also needs to be sent to a gulag.
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iospace posted:So the Skittles dogwhistle is older than we think: That's based on an article in The Intercept and, no offense meant to you iospace, a really lovely analogy. Just like every Intercept article, it stretches the truth to the breaking point to make it seem like more is there. quote:Trump’s tweet has clear parallels to Streicher’s children’s book, where a boy named Franz learns about the Jews from his mother: gently caress The Intercept.
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Sep 20, 2016 18:37
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http://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_FL_092016/ Honestly, the answers they got are really interesting. Like Clinton being just slightly ahead on 'trust to deal with immigration.'
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Sep 20, 2016 18:39
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CascadeBeta posted:
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Lightning Knight posted:
It was english and spanish. Obama was +44 among hispanics in 2012, Hillary is currently +49. Trump has about 80% disapproval among latinos. So, there are still a big chunk of latinos who don't like him, but are voting for him anyway.
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Sep 20, 2016 18:40
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It was english and spanish. That's... So depressing. I haven't felt this defeated about politics in years. 
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Sep 20, 2016 18:41
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CascadeBeta posted:What are the odds that if the first debate goes extremely badly for Trump, he skips the remainder (citing biased moderators or whatever)? Whether it goes well or poorly (it'll go poorly but the narrative will be it went very well), Trump is under no obligation nor does he have any reason to debate Hillary Clinton. He's got his bases covered either way. If it goes poorly he can spin the moderator bias narrative and people will eat it up since he's the outsider underdog versus the establishment, and if it goes well he can do the same thing but come out of it on a high note. The debates will be a poo poo show.
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Sep 20, 2016 18:42
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Lightning Knight posted:That's... So depressing. I mean... Trump is not doing well among Latinos. He's just doing "generic republican" instead of uniquely disastrous. So, not good news, but not terrible news either.
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Lightning Knight posted:Of course it did, Trump made the one mistake he can't afford to make: loving with Obama. And Obama will torch the poo poo out of him. If you thought Obama hated Romney, well...
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Sep 20, 2016 18:43
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I mean... Trump is not doing well among Latinos. He's just doing "generic republican" instead of uniquely disastrous. He's the most openly racist candidate against Hispanics in modern history and he's polling at generic Republican levels? What the gently caress?! Black people managed to dumpster their numbers for Trump, why can't we? This is why I'm terrified of Hispanics being co-opted by Republicans. 
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Sep 20, 2016 18:44
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smg77 posted:https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/778251065242357760 Hahaha, that's some thirsty poo poo right there. It reminds me of when there's an ongoing shooting or something and people are tweeting photos and video from the scene, and all their replies are journalists going "Hey, I know you're huddled in a closet, but can I get permission real quick to publish your photos?"
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Sep 20, 2016 18:46
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It was english and spanish. I know a few guys who wholeheartedly believe people at the border should be shot on sight and that gun ownership is the most important right they got when they became citizens. I think a lot of latinos are on the FYGM train when it comes to immigration.
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Sep 20, 2016 18:46
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Isn't Ted Cruz technically (but only technically) Hispanic? Maybe it's just people like him.
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A lovely Reporter posted:Isn't Ted Cruz technically (but only technically) hispanic? And Canadian.
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Chokes McGee posted:I do not! Islamophobes want to construct a narrative of a Europe/West that's being overrun by brown people hordes, and they have a pseudointellectual streak where they write "papers" and "essays" using nonsense arguments and distorted or outright invented data to support their argument. "Muslims have taken over entire swathes of Paris and London! We can't allow that to happen to us too!" is a white nationalist trope, and Trump repeated it verbatim late in 2015. This has been pushed for years, way before the refugee situation picked up over a year ago.
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Sep 20, 2016 18:47
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It was english and spanish. +49 means that it's roughly 74.5/25.5 HRC/DJT. While there's a 6% overlap of disapprove but vote for there, it's hardly a big chunk.
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Sep 20, 2016 18:47
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smg77 posted:https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/778251065242357760 Wow what a hacky, self-serving thing to tweet. I always thought she was OK, but I think I was grossly incorrect.
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Lightning Knight posted:He's the most openly racist candidate against Hispanics in modern history and he's polling at generic Republican levels? What the gently caress?! Black people managed to dumpster their numbers for Trump, why can't we? This is why I'm terrified of Hispanics being co-opted by Republicans. It would be the easiest thing in the world to court Hispanics by appealing to their faith and dropping immigration - rest assured that if it hasn't happened already it's because they're unable, not because they haven't thought about it.
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On Terra Firma posted:I know a few guys who wholeheartedly believe people at the border should be shot on sight and that gun ownership is the most important right they got when they became citizens. I think a lot of latinos are on the FYGM train when it comes to immigration. Also, there is this phenomena of people from different Hispanic countries hating each other. My Grandma has weird issues about Mexicans and my Great-Grandma basically held sheer disdain for any Hispanic not from Panama like her. I mean, if you talk poo poo about Mexicans, you can get non-Mexican Hispanics in your corner some of the time.
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Lightning Knight posted:He's the most openly racist candidate against Hispanics in modern history and he's polling at generic Republican levels? What the gently caress?! Black people managed to dumpster their numbers for Trump, why can't we? This is why I'm terrified of Hispanics being co-opted by Republicans. A reminder: Romney's numbers with Latinos were bad enough that the official prognosis was 'We need to improve these or we're dead.' And he's still doing worse than Romney, just not at 'fire him into the sun' levels like he is among Blacks.
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Sep 20, 2016 18:48
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Lightning Knight posted:He's the most openly racist candidate against Hispanics in modern history and he's polling at generic Republican levels? What the gently caress?! Black people managed to dumpster their numbers for Trump, why can't we? This is why I'm terrified of Hispanics being co-opted by Republicans. The latino/Hispanic community is incredibly diverse and the only reason people (liberals and Republicans alike) treat it as a "thing" or a "bloc" is because they're kinda racist
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^^^^^ I'm hispanic and I don't understand it, also diversity is a dumb loving excuse in the face of open bigotry for a entire selection of people ^^^^^ I can't believe my hispanic brethren are that loving stupid this election cycle. If Trump gets the same amount of hispanic support Romney got in 2012 we deserve that border wall. BetterToRuleInHell fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Sep 20, 2016 |
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KiteAuraan posted:Also, there is this phenomena of people from different Hispanic countries hating each other. My Grandma has weird issues about Mexicans and my Great-Grandma basically held sheer disdain for any Hispanic not from Panama like her. I mean, if you talk poo poo about Mexicans, you can get non-Mexican Hispanics in your corner some of the time. This kind of makes sense, in the same way that Japanese/Chinese/Korean people hating each other makes sense. Just because they may appear to be the same to outsiders doesn't mean they aren't very different in practice and have weird, convoluted, hateful histories and baggage with each other.
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KiteAuraan posted:Also, there is this phenomena of people from different Hispanic countries hating each other. My Grandma has weird issues about Mexicans and my Great-Grandma basically held sheer disdain for any Hispanic not from Panama like her. I mean, if you talk poo poo about Mexicans, you can get non-Mexican Hispanics in your corner some of the time. Turns out minorities can be racist too
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El Mero Mero posted:The latino/Hispanic community is incredibly diverse and the only reason people (liberals and Republicans alike) treat it as a "thing" or a "bloc" is because they're kinda racist excuse me catholicism is a religion not a race
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Meanwhile, PPP comes out with a poll that pretty much dunks on Ryan: https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/778285001406312449 gently caress you I'm not going to analyze this one.
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Sep 20, 2016 18:51
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Business Gorillas posted:Turns out minorities can be racist too Tell me more about reverse racism. 
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Sep 20, 2016 18:52
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iospace posted:Meanwhile, PPP comes out with a poll that pretty much dunks on Ryan: This information also means the Dems need to get to informing people about the changes the GOP wants to make to these programs if they win.
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Sep 20, 2016 18:52
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I can't let a NPR discussion pass without pointing out that Says You is literally the worst thing created by man
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fishmech posted:Tell me more about reverse racism. I don't think that's what he was saying
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El Mero Mero posted:The latino/Hispanic community is incredibly diverse and the only reason people (liberals and Republicans alike) treat it as a "thing" or a "bloc" is because they're kinda racist Right? and don't get me started on the ageist pricks who say Hillary had a problem with "youth" during the primaries! Or the sexist fucks who treat men as a bloc? And the classist assholes who think that people's voting behavior has anything to do with their income levels.
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fishmech posted:Tell me more about reverse racism. Some Hispanics can find Trump's anti-Muslim message appealing despite his anti-Latino message too; maybe they think he means "the bad ones." There are plenty examples to show that stupidity does not look at ethnicity.
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