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uninverted
Nov 10, 2011
Yeah, it's worded like heritage druid.

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Trilas
Sep 16, 2004

TheKingofSprings posted:

I sort of want to do another McModern with Force and Daze (maybe a couple of choice cards from the banned list?) legal. Anyone have any thoughts on that?

I can't really suggest any other cards, but I'd be very interested in playing in it.

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



Trilas posted:

I can't really suggest any other cards, but I'd be very interested in playing in it.

Add wasteland

Trilas
Sep 16, 2004

Skyl3lazer posted:

Add wasteland

As someone who plays D&T, :unsmigghh:

STING 64
Oct 20, 2006

Is there any reason why Wizard's wouldn't do a regular print run of Modern Masters at a price point of like, 6 or 7 a pack?

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010

JOHN CENA posted:

Is there any reason why Wizard's wouldn't do a regular print run of Modern Masters at a price point of like, 6 or 7 a pack?

PTSD from chronicles

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


JOHN CENA posted:

Is there any reason why Wizard's wouldn't do a regular print run of Modern Masters at a price point of like, 6 or 7 a pack?

might as well stick reserved list cards while they're at it

STING 64
Oct 20, 2006

pointsofdata posted:

might as well stick reserved list cards while they're at it

Look at dis guy puttin the hyper back in hyperbole

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


JOHN CENA posted:

Is there any reason why Wizard's wouldn't do a regular print run of Modern Masters at a price point of like, 6 or 7 a pack?

They keep wanting to push standard even though people don't want it. It's been their bread and butter for decades now and they don't know anything else. To even conceive of a different model is heresy, and nobody seems to want an LCG even though they are a fine business model.

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

:burger::burger::burger::burger::burger:

Establish the Buns

:burger::burger::burger::burger::burger:

JOHN CENA posted:

Is there any reason why Wizard's wouldn't do a regular print run of Modern Masters at a price point of like, 6 or 7 a pack?

Wizards of the Coast is a special company where high demand for their product is an insurmountable problem.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

JOHN CENA posted:

Is there any reason why Wizard's wouldn't do a regular print run of Modern Masters at a price point of like, 6 or 7 a pack?

Because you lower demand that way and actually decreasing the price of the format is a player goal, not the company's goal.

80s James Hetfield posted:

I think it's due to Fanatic having haste so even though the artifacts have haste they can't attack unless they're crewed.

But I agree, Copter has a home in there. I picked up 4 before they spike.

Copter is a good card that won't spike because nothing will spike with Magic Christmas Artifacts in packs.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

A big flaming stink posted:

PTSD from chronicles

Bring me a white bordered MM set immediately.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


White-bordered foils were something I always wanted.

Eddie Whitson
Nov 2, 2010

mcmagic posted:

Bring me a white bordered MM set immediately.

Everything's printed with the Revised borders and new art is commisioned from Drew Tucker.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Eddie Whitson posted:

Everything's printed with the Revised borders and new art is commisioned from Drew Tucker.

We're trying to reduce their value, not increase it!

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


They should do a legacy masters set but with gold borders

sit on my Facebook
Jun 20, 2007

ASS GAS OR GRASS
No One Rides for FREE
In the Trumplord Holy Land

Definitely a sweet budget list. Here's my non-budget take:

VROOOM
4x Toolcraft Exemplar
4x Veteran Motorist
2x Gearshift Ace
2x Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3x Depala, Pilot Exemplar

4x Smuggler's Copter
4x Fleetwheel Cruiser
2x Skysovereign, Consul Flagship

1x Start Your Engines
1x Refurbish
2x Blessed Alliance
4x Incendiary Flow

2x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1x Chandra, Flamecaller

24x Land

Zemyla
Aug 6, 2008

I'll take her off your hands. Pleasure doing business with you!

stinkles1112 posted:

Definitely a sweet budget list. Here's my non-budget take:

VROOOM
4x Toolcraft Exemplar
4x Veteran Motorist
2x Gearshift Ace
2x Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3x Depala, Pilot Exemplar

4x Smuggler's Copter
4x Fleetwheel Cruiser
2x Skysovereign, Consul Flagship

1x Start Your Engines
1x Refurbish
2x Blessed Alliance
4x Incendiary Flow

2x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1x Chandra, Flamecaller

24x Land

Why only one Start Your Engines? Why not two or three? It seems like a card you'd only be unhappy to see with an empty board.

Alris
Apr 20, 2007

Welcome to the Fantasy Zone!

Get ready!

stinkles1112 posted:

Definitely a sweet budget list. Here's my non-budget take:

VROOOM
4x Toolcraft Exemplar
4x Veteran Motorist
2x Gearshift Ace
2x Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3x Depala, Pilot Exemplar

4x Smuggler's Copter
4x Fleetwheel Cruiser
2x Skysovereign, Consul Flagship

1x Start Your Engines
1x Refurbish
2x Blessed Alliance
4x Incendiary Flow

2x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1x Chandra, Flamecaller

24x Land

Not bad, but it needs some theme music. One of the following should suffice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4QbJRAWvRU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doEwWzMz99A

SoftNum
Mar 31, 2011

Alris posted:

Not bad, but it needs some theme music. One of the following should suffice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4QbJRAWvRU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doEwWzMz99A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQSHg-SJXR8

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PKKPVj7loQ

Sit on my Jace
Sep 9, 2016

MiddleEastBeast posted:

So how do you introduce checks to all these very different t3/4 goldfish decks? Or is the point that you can't given the available card pool, and Modern is inevitably destined to always be dumb?

I've heard people float the idea of increasing the sideboard size just in Modern, although I'm not familiar with any actual testing of alternative sideboard rules and it doesn't seem like something Wizards would actually do.

Another thing that might move the needle a bit would be unbanning at least one of the card selection spells currently on the banlist, to make it easier for people to dig to their silver bullets - lots of Legacy sideboards are even more scattershot than Modern ones, but it works out because you can Brainstorm into them. Ponder and Preordain have been out of the format for five years, and the style of combo deck that they were worried about in 2011 just aren't that big in the Modern of 2016.

hey mom its 420
May 12, 2007

Ponder would be a good unban. The argument against it is that it would just enable combo, but the only real combo deck it might put over the top is infect, and that might be managed by banning Become Immense.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012
omg i'm actually gonna be playing mtg saturday, instead of merely arguing about it on - line

hosed up

sit on my Facebook
Jun 20, 2007

ASS GAS OR GRASS
No One Rides for FREE
In the Trumplord Holy Land

Zemyla posted:

Why only one Start Your Engines? Why not two or three? It seems like a card you'd only be unhappy to see with an empty board.

The fail case of Start Your Engines is literally, a brick. I generally don't play any copies of cards that can be straight dead, but the upside is high enough and the flavor strong enough to include. Also drawing two of them in your starting hand is pretty feel-bad

I could at most see boarding a couple additional copies for very very removal-light matches

sit on my Facebook fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Sep 21, 2016

ShaneB
Oct 22, 2002


I've played 100+ competitive matches with Infect at this point and I can tell you that banning Become Immense isn't going to help if you give me Ponder or Preordain. Especially with the new +2/+2 and hexproof spell. Become Immense is frequently (but not always) simply overkill. It might slow the deck down... a half turn (this is total seat-of-the-pants estimation), but increase the durability a ton.

Do I think Infect is a weaker deck without BI? Yeah, probably. But eliminating it means I can run a slightly less painful manabase (I'd probably cut 2 fetches and insert 2 of the new fastlands) and easily insert 4 Blossoming Defense. It's still a ruthlessly efficient deck.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Alris posted:

Not bad, but it needs some theme music. One of the following should suffice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4QbJRAWvRU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doEwWzMz99A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKURxNMi2xA

Sigma-X
Jun 17, 2005

MiddleEastBeast posted:

By the way whoever said to watch LSV's latest Eldritch Moon draft on CFB was extremely correct, thank you. He effectively manages to draft storm in EDM.

Any chance you can link this?

odiv
Jan 12, 2003


Here you go Sigma-X.

Foreskin Problems
Nov 4, 2012

It's doing fine, actually.
It should be a playlist, I don't know how YouTube works, I'm old: https://youtu.be/JsuZStRx8Ew

Mystic Mongol
Jan 5, 2007

Your life's been thrown in disarray already--I wouldn't want you to feel pressured.


College Slice

Foreskin Problems posted:

It should be a playlist, I don't know how YouTube works, I'm old: https://youtu.be/JsuZStRx8Ew

Something Awful does weird things with youtube links. You can't let the forum autotag them if you want to link a playlist.

Bugsy
Jul 15, 2004

I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.


Slippery Tilde
I have no loving idea what this is about ever after watching the very big man with the bad beard talk for 11 minutes or why the gently caress it has 173k views.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEyjf88WvJ4

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Bugsy posted:

I have no loving idea what this is about ever after watching the very big man with the bad beard talk for 11 minutes or why the gently caress it has 173k views.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEyjf88WvJ4

Cause he's a popular youtube man

sit on my Facebook
Jun 20, 2007

ASS GAS OR GRASS
No One Rides for FREE
In the Trumplord Holy Land

ShaneB posted:

I've played 100+ competitive matches with Infect at this point and I can tell you that banning Become Immense isn't going to help if you give me Ponder or Preordain. Especially with the new +2/+2 and hexproof spell. Become Immense is frequently (but not always) simply overkill. It might slow the deck down... a half turn (this is total seat-of-the-pants estimation), but increase the durability a ton.

Do I think Infect is a weaker deck without BI? Yeah, probably. But eliminating it means I can run a slightly less painful manabase (I'd probably cut 2 fetches and insert 2 of the new fastlands) and easily insert 4 Blossoming Defense. It's still a ruthlessly efficient deck.

Is there any key stone they could knock out to nerf the strategy a little without fully destroying the deck?

Edit: of course, knocking out a keystone fully destroys an arch, my analogy... it is bad

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Bugsy posted:

I have no loving idea what this is about ever after watching the very big man with the bad beard talk for 11 minutes or why the gently caress it has 173k views.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEyjf88WvJ4

youtube has had this on my recs list for like 4 days so i assume most anyone with any MTG videos in thier history have this as a rec

why people are clicking it i have no clue

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received

Alris posted:

Not bad, but it needs some theme music. One of the following should suffice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4QbJRAWvRU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doEwWzMz99A

This, obviously.

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!

mandatory lesbian posted:

youtube has had this on my recs list for like 4 days so i assume most anyone with any MTG videos in thier history have this as a rec

why people are clicking it i have no clue

Youtube recommended it to me and I clicked on it thinking it was the mtgfinance guy crying about something dumb again.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


mandatory lesbian posted:

youtube has had this on my recs list for like 4 days so i assume most anyone with any MTG videos in thier history have this as a rec

why people are clicking it i have no clue

some of the mtg people i still follow on twitter have been vaguely talking about mtgqh lately so something has been going on.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

Bugsy posted:

I have no loving idea what this is about ever after watching the very big man with the bad beard talk for 11 minutes or why the gently caress it has 173k views.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEyjf88WvJ4


Since when has there ever been some lovely gamergate equivalent for card games and why does this horrifying dude care?

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rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


its all the same people

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