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german porn enthusiast: Dec 29, 2015; by exmarx

Do It Once Right posted:

Everything old is new again.
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/texas_supreme_court_justice_denying_same_sex_spouses_benefits_encourages_procreation

You're entitled to the responsibilities of a marriage, but not the rights. The rights and benefits exist to encourage married heterosexual couples to stop doing things like using birth control and having non-vaginal intercourse.

People say lovely homophobic things all the time, but every once in a while when someone says something lovely and homophobic I randomly get really loving angry.

# ? Sep 3, 2016 22:21

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# ? May 14, 2024 13:22

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metalloid posted:

People say lovely homophobic things all the time, but every once in a while when someone says something lovely and homophobic I randomly get really loving angry.

It usually just depends on how big of a shitbag they are about swinging around the power they do or don't have on it. Like some fundie clown just getting mad and ranting about those drat queers is whatever, when it's judges and crazy people with cult followings actually influencing things, it's worth getting at least some part pissed off over.

# ? Sep 3, 2016 22:40

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJoj9IqeKg

# ? Sep 6, 2016 13:53

MaxxBot: Oct 6, 2003; you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

So this is an ad that a Democrat put out against a gay Republican candidate, the Log Cabin Republicans are calling it homophobic.

There are legitimate scandals involving this guy and points 1, 3, and 4 are legitimate but point 2 bothers me. I'm not comfortable with Democrats promoting the idea that single gay men using online dating services is some sort of scandalous thing, are gay politicians not allowed to have a personal life? I think there's still a lot of politicians out there who are comfortable with the existence of gays and gay marriage as long as it's discussed in the abstract but still have some pretty regressive views when actual details are put out in the open.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 22:08

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

MaxxBot posted:

So this is an ad that a Democrat put out against a gay Republican candidate, the Log Cabin Republicans are calling it homophobic.

There are legitimate scandals involving this guy and points 1, 3, and 4 are legitimate but point 2 bothers me. I'm not comfortable with Democrats promoting the idea that single gay men using online dating services is some sort of scandalous thing, are gay politicians not allowed to have a personal life? I think there's still a lot of politicians out there who are comfortable with the existence of gays and gay marriage as long as it's discussed in the abstract but still have some pretty regressive views when actual details are put out in the open.

Well at least it isn't as stupid as the time the Tories here cried homophobia because some leaflets contained the word "straight".

(The leaflets didn't even name the Tory candidate, let alone say he was gay)

# ? Sep 8, 2016 22:13

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

It seems about on par for stupidity with the Keith Vaz thing.

Dozens of potential things for a media outlet to investigate in terms of nepotism, shady property dealings, expenses, use of charities, has supported some lovely causes in the past (but generally okay on gay issues), and the thing that the press are going wild over is that he purchased sexual services from some younger (but still way over majority) men.

There might even be a legit call for outrage if it turns out to be true that he used charity funds to do so, but so far the media angle has been almost entirely "lolol mansex! poppers!" or saying that because he did something that isn't illegal he has a conflict of interest in chairing a committee into whether that thing should continue to be legal. I only assume that for the sake of consistency they will nod sagely in approval if the government commissions a report into alcohol prohibition and only allows observant Muslims and Quakers on the board.

And while there is room for debate around making sex work safer and less exploitative, far too much of the public and press satisfaction has been about the angle of outing his private life.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 22:40

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

MaxxBot posted:

So this is an ad that a Democrat put out against a gay Republican candidate, the Log Cabin Republicans are calling it homophobic.

There are legitimate scandals involving this guy and points 1, 3, and 4 are legitimate but point 2 bothers me. I'm not comfortable with Democrats promoting the idea that single gay men using online dating services is some sort of scandalous thing, are gay politicians not allowed to have a personal life? I think there's still a lot of politicians out there who are comfortable with the existence of gays and gay marriage as long as it's discussed in the abstract but still have some pretty regressive views when actual details are put out in the open.

wasn't the thing around 2 A) he sent a bunch to the Mexican ex and that was the proof they actually had a relationship, and B) the ones he sent to others weren't exactly requested?

# ? Sep 8, 2016 22:44

MaxxBot: Oct 6, 2003; you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

If it specified that the photos were unwanted by the recipients I wouldn't have an issue but it seems to be implying that gay men sending eachother naked pics is somehow inherently scandalous. It's easy to see this as a cynical ploy to turn off homophobic GOP voters by talking as much about how he's gay as possible, I could be wrong but it certainly looks that way.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 22:51

iceyman: Jul 11, 2001

MaxxBot posted:

I'm not comfortable with Democrats promoting the idea that single gay men using online dating services is some sort of scandalous thing, are gay politicians not allowed to have a personal life? I think there's still a lot of politicians out there who are comfortable with the existence of gays and gay marriage as long as it's discussed in the abstract but still have some pretty regressive views when actual details are put out in the open.

I feel the same. For once I agree with Log Cabin Republicans.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 23:04

Bethamphetamine: Oct 29, 2012

The second point is pretty lovely. They should replace it with his 17 year old live-in boyfriend/current student he dated while he was abusing other children as executive director of that school.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 23:17

Octatonic: Sep 7, 2010

MaxxBot posted:

Paul Babeau is a really amazingly lovely person, and the accusations do correspond to some legitimately awful things that he's unquestionably done. However, this ad is certainly homophobic, and I'm not willing to give the benefit of the doubt here.

1) This would have been couched in gender-neutral language, or more distant language if he were straight. "ex-lover" or "ex-mistress" rather than "ex-boyfriend".
2) There's plausible deniability that this could just be regular political prudery, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The operating words here are that the photos were sent to a man, online. If they wanted to make it about consent, they could have. Instead, it's about gay sex pictures being icky.
3) Here's where it gets really dogwhistley. Some of you might call it an overreach, but I'm really really suspicious of placing this in context with the first two accusations. The reader has been primed to view things in sexual terms already, and combined with the attitudes towards gay sexuality they've already invoked, it really doesn't feel too farfetched to me that they're hoping to activate the latent "gays as pedophiles" association as a bonus, in addition to calling him the sociopath that he is.

# ? Sep 8, 2016 23:18

Keeshhound: Jan 14, 2010; Mad Duck Swagger

Do It Once Right posted:

The second point is pretty lovely. They should replace it with his 17 year old live-in boyfriend/current student he dated while he was abusing other children as executive director of that school.

Honestly, the simplest thing to me is to just replace the masculine elements with feminine elements and see if it still feels skeevey.

"Threatened his Mexican immigrant ex-girlfriend with deportation" - Yeah, pretty still hosed up.

"Sent naked photos of himself to a woman he met online soliciting sex" - I guess it depends on when the solicitation happened; the language is vague enough that I can't tell if it's saying he just out of the blue sent the photos with a solicitation, or if he met the person when they solicited him for sex online.

# ? Sep 9, 2016 01:51

Bethamphetamine: Oct 29, 2012

Keeshhound posted:

Honestly, the simplest thing to me is to just replace the masculine elements with feminine elements and see if it still feels skeevey.

"Threatened his Mexican immigrant ex-girlfriend with deportation" - Yeah, pretty still hosed up.

"Sent naked photos of himself to a woman he met online soliciting sex" - I guess it depends on when the solicitation happened; the language is vague enough that I can't tell if it's saying he just out of the blue sent the photos with a solicitation, or if he met the person when they solicited him for sex online.

This was a salacious scandal at the time. He was a conservative darling, championing anti-immigration and anti-gay stances.
Babeu's hookup profile (studboi1) called himself "str8 acting, hard working, and loyal"

It was his bf's friends who revealed that Babeu was done with him and looking for younger guys. Loyalty indeed.

Doesn't make point number 2 any less grody. But the exchange was consensual. And Babeu is still trash who is certainly going to win his election and represent the great state of Arizona.

# ? Sep 9, 2016 02:27

mandatory lesbian: Dec 18, 2012

Do It Once Right posted:

Doesn't make point number 2 any less grody. But the exchange was consensual.

if it was a consensual exchange there is literally nothing wrong with it, but thanks for being homophobic i guess

# ? Sep 9, 2016 04:43

mandatory lesbian: Dec 18, 2012

i'm know i'm misunderstanding you DIOR but for real, the phrasing of that is not the best

# ? Sep 9, 2016 04:44

Bethamphetamine: Oct 29, 2012

mandatory lesbian posted:

i'm know i'm misunderstanding you DIOR but for real, the phrasing of that is not the best

I've had terrible phrasing before, and I acknowledge that I am not a great communicator.

Babeu used Adam4Adam to find consensual partners for no-strings sex. There is nothing wrong or ad-worthy about that.

His boyfriend, who was under the very strong impression that they were in a monogamous, serious relationship was not happy with his cheating. The district attorney told Sheriff Babeu to gently caress off in this case, because their department was tired of covering for his dalliances.

The democrats creating that ad were not blind to who their audience is, and they are definitely exploiting homophobia to their advantage.

# ? Sep 9, 2016 05:28

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Keeshhound posted:

"Sent naked photos of himself to a woman he met online soliciting sex" - I guess it depends on when the solicitation happened; the language is vague enough that I can't tell if it's saying he just out of the blue sent the photos with a solicitation, or if he met the person when they solicited him for sex online.

That's literally what sent Anthony Weiner away.

# ? Sep 9, 2016 05:31

Crabtree: Oct 17, 2012; ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
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Do It Once Right posted:

Everything old is new again.
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/texas_supreme_court_justice_denying_same_sex_spouses_benefits_encourages_procreation

You're entitled to the responsibilities of a marriage, but not the rights. The rights and benefits exist to encourage married heterosexual couples to stop doing things like using birth control and having non-vaginal intercourse.

"Marriage is a right, spousal benefits are not." Okay, Judge. let's just nuke all marriage benefits across the board. Wouldn't want to let those pesky homosexuals to take advantage of them! After all, why should I care about anyone else's crotch spawn but my own?

I mean, it's worked in assuring the minorities don't get any social welfare that was around in the days of the New Deal, right?

# ? Sep 9, 2016 11:24

Baka-nin: Jan 25, 2015

Aruba has passed civil union legislation

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/aruba-approves-civil-unions-sex-couples/#gs.UKlpA1w

And in Mexican cities thousands marched to try and pressure the government to bring in a constitutional ban on same sex marriage.

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/moment-12-year-old-boy-tried-stop-11000-marching-homophobes/#gs.iBSt9yo

This photo from the march in Celaya has been doing the rounds on social media. Celaya is in the state of Guanajuato has obstructed state wide bills on same sex marriage but the Guanajuato city council has been using loopholes to register same sex couples.

# ? Sep 13, 2016 21:01

Liquid Communism: Mar 9, 2004

Fun update on North Carolina this morning, the NCAA has pulled all championship games for 2016 and 2017 out of the state, save those that mandate an in-state team gets home field advantage.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-relocate-championships-north-carolina-2016-17

quote:

The board stressed that the dynamic in North Carolina is different from that of other states because of at least four specific factors:

North Carolina laws invalidate any local law that treats sexual orientation as a protected class or has a purpose to prevent discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender individuals.
North Carolina has the only statewide law that makes it unlawful to use a restroom different from the gender on one�s birth certificate, regardless of gender identity.
North Carolina law provides legal protections for government officials to refuse services to the LGBT community.
Five states plus numerous cities prohibit travel to North Carolina for public employees and representatives of public institutions, which could include student-athletes and campus athletics staff. These states are New York, Minnesota, Washington, Vermont and Connecticut.

# ? Sep 14, 2016 07:44

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

Liquid Communism posted:

Fun update on North Carolina this morning, the NCAA has pulled all championship games for 2016 and 2017 out of the state, save those that mandate an in-state team gets home field advantage.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-relocate-championships-north-carolina-2016-17

Further add on to this: ACC did as well: http://deadspin.com/acc-pulls-championships-out-of-north-carolina-over-anti-1786631580

# ? Sep 21, 2016 14:55

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

So, PPP released a North Carolina poll today with a treasure trove of HB2 questions: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_NC_92116.pdf

So, base questions (questions 26-35 in the poll):

Do you support or oppose House Bill 2? 33% support, 47% oppose, 20% not sure
Do you approve or disapprove of how Governor Pat McCrory has handled HB2? 39% approve, 49% disapprove, 11% not sure
Does Governor McCrory�s handling of HB2 make you more or less likely to vote for him this fall, or does it not make a difference? More Likely 30%, Less Likely 41%, Does not make a difference 23%, Not sure 6%
Overall, do you think HB2 is helping or hurting North Carolina? Helping 23%, hurting 59%, not sure 18%
Do you think House Bill 2 has had a positive or negative impact on the North Carolina economy, or has it not made a difference? Positive 10%, negative 59%, no difference: 23%, not sure 8%
Do you think House Bill 2 has had a positive or negative impact on North Carolina�s reputation nationally, or has it not made a difference? Positive 21%, negative 53%, no difference 19%, not sure 7%
Do you think House Bill 2 has made North Carolina safer, or not? 31% safer, 49% has not, 19% not sure
Do you think that HB2 should be repealed, or do you think it should be kept in place? 52% repealed, 32% kept, 16% not sure.
Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of LGBT people? 47% fav, 19% unfav, 34% not sure.
(Tangential, but relevant:) On General Assembly using >9mil to defend laws it passed: 18% support it, 56% oppose, 26% not sure.

Crosstabs! PPP's are the best :allears:

Though they are missing one that I would love (forced governor choice). Ah wells, sent them a request on twitter for them, who knows if they'll respond. All numbers will presented in the same order as the questions' numbers were. I'm not going to go full tilt here unless someone really wants a specific one, but some choice highlights (mostly just views of HB2).

Unsurprisingly, a majority of Trump supporters support HB2 (54/24/22). Some of Hillary's do as well, but much less: 15/67/18.
For ideology (Very lib, somewhat lib, mod, someone con, very con) has a weird breakdown. Very Lib has the highest support of HB2 outside of the two con groupings, the highest oppose, and the least not sures at 21/73/6, and somewhat lib is 13/62/24, moderate 17/54/29, and somewhat and very con are 46/33/21 and 69/16/16 respectively.
Men support HB2 more compared to women: 37/48/16 vs 30/46/25 respectively
HB2 support Party breakdown: Dems: 23/60/17, Reps: 56/23/21, Ind/Other: 24/49/27
HB2 racial breakdown: whites: 38/42/19, African-Americans 17/67/16, Rest: 29/59/13
HB2 age breakdown: 18-29: 33/39/28; 30-45: 33/50/17; 46-65: 33/49/17; 66+ 32/43/25
LGBTQ Favorability by party: Dems: 54/14/32, Reps: 22/34/43, Ind/Other 61/11/28
LGBTQ Favorability by race: whites: 49/20/31, African-Americans: 38/16/46, Rest: 60/17/23
LGBTQ Favorability by age: 18-29: 61/16/23; 30-45: 61/20/19; 46-65: 42/17/41; 66+ 32/23/45

The biggest thing that stands out is the 18-29 age breakdown. How the gently caress do you get 61% of that group saying LGBTQ are cool and only 39% saying HB2 is trash? :psyduck:

There you go, any more crosstabs on request, or you can look at them yourself.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 16:49

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

iospace posted:

The biggest thing that stands out is the 18-29 age breakdown. How the gently caress do you get 61% of that group saying LGBTQ are cool and only 39% saying HB2 is trash?

Because unless you're paying attention and thinking critically about things, you may not know or you may have been lied to about what HB2 actually does, and why it's bad.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 16:54

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/top_australian_newspaper_publishes_cartoon_depicting_gay_people_as_nazi_stormtroopers

https://twitter.com/davidadonaldson/status/778367889996779521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

# ? Sep 21, 2016 17:00

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

iospace posted:

The biggest thing that stands out is the 18-29 age breakdown. How the gently caress do you get 61% of that group saying LGBTQ are cool and only 39% saying HB2 is trash?

There are people even within the LGB community who are lovely on trans issues, so it wouldn't be surprising to find similar in their allies.

Hell, there are people within the LG community who aren't that great on bi issues, although much less than before.

But yeah, trans issues are often the first to be thrown under the bus by sexual-minority groups, like Stonewall with their "we started as a gay and lesbian rights group, should we really be representing hetero trans people?" poo poo a few years back (and giving an award to noted TERF and Jack the Ripper fan Julie Bindel).

# ? Sep 21, 2016 17:01

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

My two reactions were either this:

PT6A posted:

Because unless you're paying attention and thinking critically about things, you may not know or you may have been lied to about what HB2 actually does, and why it's bad.

Which is weird given how loud the coverage of it was. Or this:

Guavanaut posted:

There are people even within the LGB community who are lovely on trans issues, so it wouldn't be surprising to find similar in their allies.

Hell, there are people within the LG community who aren't that great on bi issues, although much less than before.

But yeah, trans issues are often the first to be thrown under the bus by sexual-minority groups, like Stonewall with their "we started as a gay and lesbian rights group, should we really be representing hetero trans people?" poo poo a few years back (and giving an award to noted TERF and Jack the Ripper fan Julie Bindel).

Which is still a sad truth.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 17:05

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

There are people even within the LGB community who are lovely on trans issues, so it wouldn't be surprising to find similar in their allies.

Hell, there are people within the LG community who aren't that great on bi issues, although much less than before.

But yeah, trans issues are often the first to be thrown under the bus by sexual-minority groups, like Stonewall with their "we started as a gay and lesbian rights group, should we really be representing hetero trans people?" poo poo a few years back (and giving an award to noted TERF and Jack the Ripper fan Julie Bindel).

And occasionally L and G not being very good on G and L issues.

General rule is that unity between different people is hard without institutional inertia. It'll get better with time.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 18:09

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...ame_sex_couples

quote:

A federal judge has just dismissed a lawsuit filed against a North Carolina law enacted specifically to "protect" magistrates from having to issue same-sex marriage licenses or officiate weddings of same-sex couples. The law, known as SB2, was drafted and passed by top North Carolina Republicans in response to the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling on marriage equality, as protection for people who claimed same-sex marriage violates their deeply held religious beliefs.

The complaint was dismissed on the grounds the plaintiffs, two same-sex couples and one interracial couple, did not have standing and had not been directly harmed by the law. The AP notes "U.S. District Judge Max Cogburn wrote there is potential someone could suffer real harm because of the law."

The bill was originally sponsored by Senate President pro tempore Phil Berger, who has been actively working to fight same-sex marriage for years.

Last year Gov. Pat McCrory vetoed the bill, but Republicans were able to override his veto.

As of July last year, 14 magistrates had taken advantage of the law.

In order to appear non-discriminatory, the magistrate must promise to not marry any couples � gay or straight � for at least six months, but even during debate lawmakers were openly explaining that the legislation was to "protect" them from marrying same-sex couples.

I thought we were done with this poo poo.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 18:50

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

CommieGIR posted:

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...ame_sex_couples

I thought we were done with this poo poo.

It's North Carolina. I think it snuck under the radar during the HB2 crap and the whole veneer of "OH, IT'S AGAINST ALL MARRIAGES :downs:

" which kept it from getting traction in the big media.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 19:09

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Guavanaut posted:

There are people even within the LGB community who are lovely on trans issues, so it wouldn't be surprising to find similar in their allies.

Hell, there are people within the LG community who aren't that great on bi issues, although much less than before.

But yeah, trans issues are often the first to be thrown under the bus by sexual-minority groups, like Stonewall with their "we started as a gay and lesbian rights group, should we really be representing hetero trans people?" poo poo a few years back (and giving an award to noted TERF and Jack the Ripper fan Julie Bindel).

Were they aware of the irony in naming themselves after a riot started by trans women?

# ? Sep 21, 2016 19:17

A Pale Horse: Jul 29, 2007

Instant Sunrise posted:

Were they aware of the irony in naming themselves after a riot started by trans women?

Except it wasn't and that's revisionist trans history bullshit. It was started by gay men mostly and attempting to make trans women the heroes of gay history while marginalizing the real heroes is not going to win you any friends except among the tumblr crowd.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 19:23

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

iospace posted:

It's North Carolina. I think it snuck under the radar during the HB2 crap and the whole veneer of "OH, IT'S AGAINST ALL MARRIAGES " which kept it from getting traction in the big media.

Oh, I know it being North Carolina and all, but pretty sure this is in direct defiance of the SCOTUS ruling, I'm shocked the Federal Judge even ruled for the defense.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 19:43

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

It got booted on standing not on the merits. Basically told them to go get a better plaintiff. This happens often and there are strict rules for standing that lower courts are supposed to follow.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 19:46

Aleph Null: Jun 10, 2008; You look very stressed; Tortured By Flan

A Pale Horse posted:

Except it wasn't and that's revisionist trans history bullshit. It was started by gay men mostly and attempting to make trans women the heroes of gay history while marginalizing the real heroes is not going to win you any friends except among the tumblr crowd.

If you include transvestite in there, it's not that wrong. But that was just gay guys in drag, sooo.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 19:59

joat mon: Oct 15, 2009; I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

CommieGIR posted:

Oh, I know it being North Carolina and all, but pretty sure this is in direct defiance of the SCOTUS ruling, I'm shocked the Federal Judge even ruled for the defense.

The broader legal issue is more akin to the RU-486 pharmacist opt-out laws, rather than Obergefell.
The specific issue in this case was whether the couples, whose efforts to marry were not hampered, had legal standing to challenge the magistrate opt-out law.
(Note that the judge involved in this case was also the judge who decided Synod v. Cooper, which ruled NC's gay marriage ban unconstitutional)

# ? Sep 21, 2016 20:01

Lyesh: Apr 9, 2003

A Pale Horse posted:

Except it wasn't and that's revisionist trans history bullshit. It was started by gay men mostly and attempting to make trans women the heroes of gay history while marginalizing the real heroes is not going to win you any friends except among the tumblr crowd.

Aleph Null posted:

If you include transvestite in there, it's not that wrong. But that was just gay guys in drag, sooo.

I'd argue that Marsha P Johnson "counts" as a trans woman.

One of the things with trans history is that it does have a lot of overlap with gay/drag stuff because if you're a male-bodied person, but living as a woman is important enough to you, welllll�

# ? Sep 22, 2016 01:35

Nostalgia4Infinity: Feb 27, 2007; 10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Lyesh posted:

I'd argue that Marsha P Johnson "counts" as a trans woman.

One of the things with trans history is that it does have a lot of overlap with gay/drag stuff because if you're a male-bodied person, but living as a woman is important enough to you, welllll�

there's still an extremely vocal minority that tries to undermine gay male accomplishments in the arena of the LGBT civil rights movement -- especially when it comes to stonewall.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 01:48

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

CommieGIR posted:

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/top_australian_newspaper_publishes_cartoon_depicting_gay_people_as_nazi_stormtroopers

https://twitter.com/davidadonaldson/status/778367889996779521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

And the loving sad thing is that's not even in the top 50 worst comics he's done.

But he usually confines his cartoons to his hatred for black people.