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NachtSieger
Apr 10, 2013


Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I recently found out my friend (who's black, no less) thinks Milo is hot and since Milo thinks black guys are hot he's clearly not racist, ugh. Anyone got any good quotes to counter this?

If he honestly thinks that's true, then ask him to explain why sexism exists at all.

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Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
you're all ignoring the weird part here

seperate from everything else about him as a person, Milo looks like a total loving tool 24/7

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I recently found out my friend (who's black, no less) thinks Milo is hot and since Milo thinks black guys are hot he's clearly not racist, ugh. Anyone got any good quotes to counter this?

Your friend has some poo poo-tier taste in men, jesus

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Very tangentially related to NRx but entertaining nonetheless: Actual Holocaust Denier Samuel Crowell wrote a Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare book to cover all his bases on dumb historical conspiracy theories. His publisher, who is the kind of person who prints Peter Sotos books, the fawning memoirs of holocaust deniers, and white nationalist treatises on penis size, decided to promote the book on Reddit, and then promptly threw a gigantic hissyfit when people criticized it https://www.reddit.com/r/shakespeare/comments/4myy13/william_fortyhands_disintegration_and_reinvention/

goodog
Nov 3, 2007

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I recently found out my friend (who's black, no less) thinks Milo is hot and since Milo thinks black guys are hot he's clearly not racist, ugh. Anyone got any good quotes to counter this?

If being sexually attracted to black people disqualifies you from being racist, then Donald Sterling, Strom Thurmond and all the slave owners who impregnated their slaves must not be racist either.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Pomp posted:

you're all ignoring the weird part here

seperate from everything else about him as a person, Milo looks like a total loving tool 24/7

Yeahhhhhhhhh

Small Frozen Thing posted:

Your friend has some poo poo-tier taste in men, jesus

He's... pretty wierd...

Like he's always linking me youtube reviews of fast food products and tells me about new fast food product announcements and links me Burger King press releases and poo poo.

Actually I don't remember why we're still friends at this point...

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

goodog posted:

If being sexually attracted to black people disqualifies you from being racist, then Donald Sterling, Strom Thurmond and all the slave owners who impregnated their slaves must not be racist either.

Yeah I tried something like that and he went "well I just don't get that feeling from him!" so I was hoping there was a good quote of him just saying in plain english "lol blacks are sub-human" but even his rationalwiki article only has tangential things, and everything I've been able to dig up on him is generally him apologizing for the alt-right's ~ironic~ racism rather than being racist himself.

Though I did notice the quote from the actual full-on nazi on his rationalwiki article that basically whines about the nazi party being co-opted by a dirty gay jew who likes black cock and how it's totally not fair guys, which is pretty great :v:

AbysmalPeptoBismol
Feb 5, 2016

Nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea!

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

"well I just don't get that feeling from him!"

"Well I get the feeling that you might be one of the dumbest people on the planet, second only to your beloved Milo."

If you want to remain friends with this person you might want to avoid saying that.

I can't stand the "This famous person I've never met is HAWT and everything bad about them isn't true because GOSH THEY'RE JUST SOOO HOTT!" - attitude. It's understandable for a teenager to think that way but not an adult. Not to this extent that someone needs to reach for excuses for web trash like Milo.

I thought Milo had endorsed the idea that Africans are just naturally less intelligent than whites but I probably imagined it.

Edit:
Here's a link to a fact check of a speech where Milo said "We(whites) invented all the good poo poo" along with a bunch of other nonsense. If Milo isn't racist he sure repeats a lot of racist bullshit.
http://thetab.com/us/pitt/2016/04/08/fact-checked-milo-yiannopoulos-speech-nonsense-944

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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

goodog posted:

If being sexually attracted to black people disqualifies you from being racist, then Donald Sterling, Strom Thurmond and all the slave owners who impregnated their slaves must not be racist either.

I'm sure Scott Alexander would believe that

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
so it looks like shittier parts of the alt-right (the white nationalist side) are just now discovering how some black people (namely older generation African Americans) were led to believe their ancestors were all royalty (this is true, my 60 year mom would not shut the gently caress up about it when i was younger:v:). So
now we have the "We Waz Kangs" meme, and the "Dindu Nuffings" meme (haha that is definitely how Those People talk! :downs:)

i sometimes wonder if the part of the White Nationalist movement that's obsessed with ripping on minorities is, dare I say, a little envious (i mean this in the most twisted, hosed up way)?

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Peztopiary
Mar 16, 2009

by exmarx
Well, y'all have bigger dicks, are more physically powerful, and winning the centuries long clash of races that has been whites dominating blacks. Those are pretty much the three things nearest and dearest (aside from racism) to a racist's heart, and their own belief system requires them to be losing (which is how they explain that they are losing, if we were all racists obviously we'd be winning).

Sit on my Jace
Sep 9, 2016

Peztopiary posted:

Well, y'all have bigger dicks, are more physically powerful, and winning the centuries long clash of races that has been whites dominating blacks. Those are pretty much the three things nearest and dearest (aside from racism) to a racist's heart, and their own belief system requires them to be losing (which is how they explain that they are losing, if we were all racists obviously we'd be winning).

It's all part of the Hahnreistoßlegende.

Space Poodle
Nov 11, 2007

BobHoward posted:

Elevatorgate and everything related was extremely eye opening for me, on many levels. It's me, I was one of those ignorant atheist dudes who didn't notice shitloads of pervasive misogyny until the misogynists acted out so much I finally perceived the pattern.

A zillion years ago, the atheist blogosphere dudes would ask, "Where are the LADY ATHEISTS!?!?" about every 6 months or so, as if it were a newly discovered and pressing problem.

And the Lady Atheists would, from the feminist blogosphere, say, "We're over here."

And the atheist dude blogosphere would shrug and say, "Guess women are just irrational by nature, and they're all Godbags. Mystery solved!"

Then 6 months later, they'd repeat the process.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax
What news do we have on the DE/alt-right front today?

Count Chocula
Dec 25, 2011

WE HAVE TO CONTROL OUR ENVIRONMENT
IF YOU SEE ME POSTING OUTSIDE OF THE AUSPOL THREAD PLEASE TELL ME THAT I'M MISSED AND TO START POSTING AGAIN

J_RBG posted:

This seems standard trolling to me, his twitter bio is literally 'anti-facts' and he enjoys conspiracy theorists. It seems he just finds it funny when people just have this need to point out that the world is, in fact, round. And not Dark Enlightenment at all?

Yeah Sam Kriss is hilarious, and I love that LF style of fantasy politics.

Pondex
Jul 8, 2014

Anil Dasharez0ne posted:

It's all part of the Hahnreistoßlegende.

Nice

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

I'm not sure Milo has this whole alt-right masculinity fetish down yet

https://twitter.com/ali/status/778758025007931393

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av
How desperate do you have to be to get behind a spokesperson who constantly trolls you

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

He's a terrible gay. He can't even fit the worst stereotypes right.

goodog
Nov 3, 2007

Tesseraction posted:

I'm not sure Milo has this whole alt-right masculinity fetish down yet

https://twitter.com/ali/status/778758025007931393

Given how popular "trap" porn is on 4chan, I don't think it'll cause his audience to turn against him.



Part of Milo's appeal is the minstrelsy. He's a way for his very hetero audience to experience the hedonistic stereotypes of queer culture that they might be curious about, in a way that's safe and non-confronting. How many of his fans would be comfortable enough to openly attend a drag show or go to a gay event outside of seeing Milo perform?

A consistent theme in right-wing propaganda is that the degenerate Other seems to be having a lot more fun than they are. Milo isn't a Dangerous human being, he's a tamed one.

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Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

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goodog posted:

A consistent theme in right-wing propaganda is that the degenerate Other seems to be having a lot more fun than they are.

Not just this, but they're having the wrong kind of fun and they're having too much of it and must be stopped. Usually for their own good.

It's crab-bucketing but taken to the maximum extent. Literally everything that you for pleasure is compared to the general experience and if it's too decadent or exciting it will be hauled back into line.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

goodog posted:

Given how popular "trap" porn is on 4chan, I don't think it'll cause his audience to turn against him.



Part of Milo's appeal is the minstrelsy. He's a way for his very hetero audience to experience the hedonistic stereotypes of queer culture that they might be curious about, in a way that's safe and non-confronting. How many of his fans would be comfortable enough to openly attend a drag show or go to a gay event outside of seeing Milo perform?

A consistent theme in right-wing propaganda is that the degenerate Other seems to be having a lot more fun than they are. Milo isn't a Dangerous human being, he's a tamed one.

I agree, it won't cause his audience to turn against him, but it continues to contribute to a large portion of the alt-right rejecting him when they'd otherwise tolerate his homosexuality. On the plus side I like that he's basically having to jump on gimmicks to have people even notice him now he's had his precious bird platform removed.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Very tangentially related to NRx but entertaining nonetheless: Actual Holocaust Denier Samuel Crowell wrote a Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare book to cover all his bases on dumb historical conspiracy theories. His publisher, who is the kind of person who prints Peter Sotos books, the fawning memoirs of holocaust deniers, and white nationalist treatises on penis size, decided to promote the book on Reddit, and then promptly threw a gigantic hissyfit when people criticized it https://www.reddit.com/r/shakespeare/comments/4myy13/william_fortyhands_disintegration_and_reinvention/

I only know about this dude via Peter Sotos and he makes Sotos look like Noam Chomsky.

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


The alt-right is a temporary home for Milo anyway. I mean, he's their kind of scum, but the second they're no longer giving him what he wants, he's going to jump to the next platform. I'm going to laugh when he finally leaps to nothing, and falls into obscurity.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Jonas Albrecht posted:

The alt-right is a temporary home for Milo anyway. I mean, he's their kind of scum, but the second they're no longer giving him what he wants, he's going to jump to the next platform. I'm going to laugh when he finally leaps to nothing, and falls into obscurity.

Amen. The sad thing is he'll be too obscure for me to notice.

But I suppose not remembering he exists is nice enough to be a boon anyhow.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Jonas Albrecht posted:

The alt-right is a temporary home for Milo anyway. I mean, he's their kind of scum, but the second they're no longer giving him what he wants, he's going to jump to the next platform. I'm going to laugh when he finally leaps to nothing, and falls into obscurity.

Milo doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who is aware enough of his audience to do the dumping. He just mashes out the four chords of the Alt-Right over and over again with increasing speed and desperation. He's got the tiger by the tail- pretty soon he'll be in the position of not even being able to fade out without them turning on him. Say what you want about Aurini (seriously, please, go right ahead), but he knew to get out while the getting was good.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Milo thrives on attention and will jump to anyone that gives him it, negative or otherwise. People keep falling for it though.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I only know about this dude via Peter Sotos and he makes Sotos look like Noam Chomsky.

Crowell or Chip Smith?

Hellbunny
Dec 24, 2008

I'm not bad, I'm just misunderstood.

Somfin posted:

Say what you want about Aurini (seriously, please, go right ahead), but he knew to get out while the getting was good.

Wait, Aurini left the ALT-right?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Hellbunny posted:

Wait, Aurini left the ALT-right?

Yeah, what happened to that guy. I haven't heard about him since Ghostbusters.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Jonas Albrecht posted:

The alt-right is a temporary home for Milo anyway. I mean, he's their kind of scum, but the second they're no longer giving him what he wants, he's going to jump to the next platform. I'm going to laugh when he finally leaps to nothing, and falls into obscurity.

i see him trying to be a spokeperson for log cabin republicans in the future


i, for one, hopes the Alt-Right gets more and more into the mainstream, just so I can see it get called out on its poo poo

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

poptart_fairy posted:

Milo thrives on attention and will jump to anyone that gives him it, negative or otherwise. People keep falling for it though.

A kindred spirit

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Race Realists posted:

i see him trying to be a spokeperson for log cabin republicans in the future


i, for one, hopes the Alt-Right gets more and more into the mainstream, just so I can see it get called out on its poo poo

I'm not sure how much more mainstream it can get than having literally the next president dedicate an entire speech to it.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Hellbunny posted:

Wait, Aurini left the ALT-right?

He probably got chased out because, like Matt Forney and Mike Anissimov, even they can't really stand him

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I'm not sure how much more mainstream it can get than having literally the next president dedicate an entire speech to it.

I mean afterwords. Even the Alt-Right knows Trump wont get in the white house (or at the very least they doubt it). In fact they're COUNTING on it, if only because it fits with their underdog narrative ("The evil liberal menace wins again! We need to have a second American Revolution!")

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Jonas Albrecht posted:

The alt-right is a temporary home for Milo anyway. I mean, he's their kind of scum, but the second they're no longer giving him what he wants, he's going to jump to the next platform. I'm going to laugh when he finally leaps to nothing, and falls into obscurity.

Milo Yiannopoulos talks to real-life human female while video camera is running, does not come off so well. Amanda Marcotte specifically. She says he was sincere enough about his views to rant them at her for fifteen minutes.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Race Realists posted:

I mean afterwords. Even the Alt-Right knows Trump wont get in the white house (or at the very least they doubt it). In fact they're COUNTING on it, if only because it fits with their underdog narrative ("The evil liberal menace wins again! We need to have a second American Revolution!")

Matt Forney is genuinely convinced Trump is going to wine very state except some New England ones

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Matt Forney is genuinely convinced Trump is going to wine very state except some New England ones

I saw a poll the other day that showed him polling behind both Jill Stein and Gary Johnson with young black voters which made me lol

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

The Vosgian Beast posted:

He probably got chased out because, like Matt Forney and Mike Anissimov, even they can't really stand him

made the mistake of checking Aurini's twitter

i willingly walked into this

https://twitter.com/Aurini

https://twitter.com/Aurini/status/778774145345675264

https://twitter.com/Scarred_Tissue/status/778777417598980097

Let's check out his blog!

http://scartissue.us/

quote:

My Father On Doing the Right Thing, for the Right Reason
Posted on July 22, 2016
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My Father On Doing the Right Thing, for the Right Reason (SBP)

I grew up with my Father telling me to do the right thing, for the right reason. For the longest time, I parroted it, not fully grasping the implications of it; i.e. what it truly meant and why it was important. Lately, that’s changed.

Since roughly last year October*, I’ve been on a new leg of my now 8 year long journey. That is – being able to live with who I am and slowly changing the parts of myself, with which I find difficult to live. As I’ve accumulated success and experience with women, I’ve not been the most moral or upright person. In fact, I describe it as having been a snake. I’ve not gone around selling people bridges or snake oil or gone around lying to everyone I know. But I have been very inwardly focused, selfish, and unfaithful when I dated. I lived almost entirely for myself, my own enjoyment, and my own satisfaction. If you ask me if I am or was a bad guy, I’d probably have a hard time giving you a straight answer. But what I can honestly say, is that on some level I was not satisfied with who I was. In fact, I was downright disappointed in who I had become. Though I attained success with women, it seemed as if I unwittingly traded something for it and came out worse for it. I’ve been trying to rectify that, by doing the right thing for the right reason, whether it meant telling a future girlfriend my past history or a current one, before we had sex, that I had HPV, and losing her in the process.

One of the ways my Father explained why he always sought to do the right thing for the right reason, was so that his conscience was clear no matter what happened. So that he had no trouble sleeping. So that in his mind, he was at peace with himself, regardless of what happens. That’s not to say he’s rolled over in the name of his principles, but he has paid a high personal price at times, for this modus-operandi.

I’ve noticed while watching my Father is that his character is near unassailable; impossible to be assassinated. A reputation for doing the right thing, for the right reason, has formed his shield and sword, at times, when he’s had to battle unscrupulous people in the realm of business. In my own family, everyone assumes the best of my Father as he’s proved himself, time and time again. In my own eyes, I’ve not laid witness to him breaking his principles of doing the right thing for the right reason ever.

Lastly – it seems like doing the right thing for the right reason has a cost up front that makes it difficult to do. But as you keep doing the right thing for the right reason, the cost gets lower; it gets easier to do. Eventually it gets to the point where it’s habit, and the cost is near non-existent, as far as you’re concerned, for the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks, after enough time. In short, doing good rarely pays off in the short term, but pays handsomely in the long term.

Conversely, doing the wrong thing for the wrong reason carries a small cost, if any up front. But over time, it gets more and more costly. Often times, you do not know you’re paying for the negative consequences and outcomes until it stabs you in the back or bites you in the rear end at the most inconvenient time (sounds like credit card debt). As you get further and further set in your ways, you either reap what you have sown and it’s painful, or you can kick the can down the road, double down on your ways, only to pay up later, and even more than you can fathom. It’s a vicious cycle that’s difficult to get out of, as you pay a price no matter what. The hit to your reputation and the difficulty of changing habits, will be with you long after you make the right decision.

~Wald

*Inspired by the advise I’ve had in conversation with Ace and conversations I’ve had with my Father.

:gonk:

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How is Sargon of all people coming off as the better person.

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