|
For Fichard and Mary Parker it was stupid. And then only in trying to drag it into storylines when it would've been fine as just a detail of their past and left alone with their death. For Jefferson Davis it's a cool bit of backstory for a person that is alive and well and adds an extra layer to his character and the uncomfortableness he has with his past and how it could play into his son's future. The two situations aren't really that similar.
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 09:01
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 07:21 |
|
|
Yeah it honestly made more sense for the Parkers as they were dead so it wouldn't interfere with the group dynamic at all. Unless they tie their deaths directly to it, which they did, but other than that it is fine. Adding it to a living relative is the worst way to play the idea. It complicates a backstory that does not need it.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 09:05
|
|
|
X-O posted:Everyone knew the Ultimate Universe was done for by that point even if it carried on for a while longer. For a handful of months it was "Huh. It's not ending at Cataclysm? Lets see about this new revitalized Michel Fiffe led Ultimate Universe!" I made a thread about that bright future 
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 09:11
|
|
|
X-O posted:For Fichard and Mary Parker it was stupid. And then only in trying to drag it into storylines when it would've been fine as just a detail of their past and left alone with their death. For Jefferson Davis it's a cool bit of backstory for a person that is alive and well and adds an extra layer to his character and the uncomfortableness he has with his past and how it could play into his son's future. The two situations aren't really that similar. Given the right writer, Peter's parents being SHIELD agents could have been great. SHIELD agent turned civilian sounds interesting, so I'm willing to see where this goes. Spider-Man has been good so far.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 09:41
|
|
|
it's not complicating his backstory, it's the only backstory we have for him and explains why he didn't want anything to do with super heroes. I'm surprised anyone is upset about miles' dad's backstory honestly
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 09:43
|
|
|
He shouldn't have one God dam it, not all characters need an overly complicated backstory.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 09:49
|
|
|
it's not very complicated, he was a shield agent the end
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 10:07
|
|
|
Then it's not worth doing.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 10:16
|
|
|
that doesn't even make any sense, I don't think you've put much thought into why you don't like this
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 10:18
|
|
|
It's either over complicates his history or its so inconsequential it doesn't matter, this isn't hard. It's a no win situation.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 10:22
|
|
|
So... Vision this month was just kind of amazing, on one hand I'll be sad when it ends but I think there's really no way they could keep going in a sensible fashion.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 10:25
|
|
|
it didn't overcomplicate anything because it was simple. he had a job with shield and then quit later. having a job and quitting is a thing people do, it's not hard to understand and he makes it clear why he was with them and why he stopped. it's easy to follow. it wasn't inconsequential because it explains the way he'd been acting and informs his character. they were leading in to something with him for a while, it wasn't out of nowhere like if you don't like the way it was written then whatever, but I don't get how that makes it objectively bad. just having been a part of shield for a while doesn't hurt the character in some way and it's not like they bolted it on to him later, it was clearly something they had been planning on and was the fist thing they showed of his backstory
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 10:31
|
|
|
How can you have any fun with superhero comics if you can't enjoy convoluted histories.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 10:31
|
|
|
I haven't read the comics in question, but do they talk about the oddness (?) of an African-American man having the same name as the President of the Confederate States of America? (At least, I assume it's odd - I'm not American but it seems like something that would be odd.)
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 12:11
|
|
|
Civil War 2 continues the downward spiral into horribleness that keeps riding entirely on some gorgeous art EDIT: On the flip side, Jesus loving Christ Vision is amazing. Happy Noodle Boy fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Sep 21, 2016 |
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 15:43
|
|
|
Dare I ask what happened
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 16:21
|
|
|
My real only problem with redoing Miles' dad's backstory is that it's already been done. I don't see any real point in redoing it in the 616. Like, now the only big missing point would be that his brother is might be missing from the story (since he was Ultimate Prowler and the new universe hates redundancy) or he'll be recruited to SHIELD by Maria Hill or a white Nick Fury instead of trenchcoat wearing Ultimate Fury. Other than that, what really needs to change about "SHIELD recruited me to be an informant on Kingpin" from Ultimate to 616? Apparently enough to redo it, and jokes aside, this is Bendis, so it's gonna take months of no actual Spider-Man-ing to tell.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 16:24
|
|
|
Pureauthor posted:Dare I ask what happened Vision: You know how sometimes in a story the protagonist and his family faces a hardship and they have to work together to overcome it, bringing the family closer and stronger and better? Now picture the complete loving opposite.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 16:30
|
|
|
Aw man, Vision. So good. I felt like screenshotting every spread, it looked even more amazing than usual. Especially *that* scream page, holy crap.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 16:57
|
|
|
So I guess Ulysses sees Miles kill Captain America next. . Maybe Ulysses needs to start having positive visions or something
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 17:27
|
|
|
Wow, I think CWII #5 has an all-time bottom-ten Kitty Pryde outfit. That takes some doing.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 18:00
|
|
|
Wanderer posted:Wow, I think CWII #5 has an all-time bottom-ten Kitty Pryde outfit. That takes some doing. Jesus, I almost want to buy it to see that. A bottom-ten Kitty Pryde outfit is a serious accusation.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 18:03
|
|
|
It's real bad, but the most hilarious thing is that it's not drawn consistently between CW2 #5 and GotG #12, which are taking place mostly simultaneously. Civil War  Guardians 
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 18:28
|
|
|
howe_sam posted:It's real bad, but the most hilarious thing is that it's not drawn consistently between CW2 #5 and GotG #12, which are taking place mostly simultaneously. I'm the vision's pained expression.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 18:30
|
|
|
Complaining about Kitty's outfits is totally missing the point of them and her character. She is terrible at them.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 18:31
|
|
|
Yeah in the Claremontfest I've been on she at one point is given a costume maker for some reason by the Shi'Ar who are holding her captive. She is using the machine to somehow hack the ship but also she is putting on awful costume after awful costume and Nightcrawler in the background is just  over how terrible her choices are.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 18:59
|
|
|
Is the ship trying to commit suicide?
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 21:17
|
|
|
Teenage Fansub posted:e: Didn't that dad stuff happen before Cataclysm? There was still another year of All-New Ultimates. Miles Morales, Ultimate Spider-Man is the final set of USM comics before Ultimate End, and iirc the only currently-running Ultimate comic at the time at the end there. AN Ultimates and MMUSM ran concurrently but I think ANU started a little bit before MMUSM and thus ended earlier (they both ran for 12 issues). The secret origins of Jefferson Davis issues ran after Cataclysm (they had to, because Miles reveals his secret identity to his dad during Cataclysm, his dad literally runs away, and Jefferson Davis comes back to apologize to Miles/tell him his life story during MMUSM). The secret origins issues ran during MMUSM issues 8-9. So yeah, it was like literally three months before the end of the 1610 when Bendis decided to bust out that story.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 22:08
|
|
|
I just read through Jack Kirby's Devil Dinosaur and it was amazing.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 22:09
|
|
|
Toxxupation posted:So yeah, it was like literally three months before the end of the 1610 when Bendis decided to bust out that story. I doubt too many people would've dropped off of the characters between then and now, so I don't see developing the dad that late in the series to be any great problem (assuming the character development more or less carries over.) Again, ending on the Hydra/Doom stuff felt far more worthless to me. Maybe it was just how inconsequential seeing the other world in the sky seemed for the end. Like, contrasted with any of the main universe final days storylines. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Sep 21, 2016 |
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 22:21
|
|
|
Sentinel Red posted:Aw man, Vision. So good. Hey she's not stuttering anymore. 
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 22:29
|
|
|
Oh, definitely, the HYDRA Doom story was dumb as hell. As I mentioned when I read it for the first time, the problem is that it rides that super unsatisfying line between "a massive story that really goes for it because gently caress it, the universe is ending so let's have everyone face off against Ultimate Thanos or something and have a billion casualities because who the gently caress cares, it's all getting mothballed" and "small-scale story that tries to be a narrative counterpoint to how USM began where Miles takes down a bandit or the Shocker again or something and be a big mood/character piece because this whole universe is getting mothballed so why tell a massive huge story?" So it tries to be both and feels totally pointless and ineffective. It's big, but not big enough, so just feels like this massive waste of time, and as you mentioned it doesn't even have the feeling of "poo poo we just went through a road of trials at least things can't get any worse" *SMASH CUT TO EARTH-616 HANGING OVERHEAD* because it doesn't feel effectively threatening in scope or impact. All I'm saying is that if Bendis wanted to tell the Jefferson Davis backstory he should've picked a better time than literally three months before it was all getting invalidated anyways. It also inhabits a weird canon because Jefferson Davis isn't explicitly an ex-criminal in the 616, so it's unclear whether or not the backstory made the jump as well. Considering Miles' mom got revived, I'm gonna guess some or all of it has been retconned, where instead of being a SHIELD agent posing as an ex-con, he'll just be a straight up-and-down former SHIELD agent - especially since it looks like his brother didn't come to the 616 either. To be honest I'd rather the last five issues of Bendis' USM run had been an ill-disguised All-New Ultimates storyline, considering that 1) the All-New Ultimates we got was fuckin' garbo and 2) they were basically all Bendis characters anyways and I'd have really liked to have seen what Bendis could have done with that specific team, considering how much time he had spent making each one into great characters.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 22:36
|
|
|
Roth posted:I just read through Jack Kirby's Devil Dinosaur and it was amazing. read his eternals. what a trip they are.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 22:50
|
|
|
Mr Hootington posted:read his eternals. what a trip they are. I will after I read Brian K. Vaughn's Runaways. The Runaways series after this one are supposed to be not good, right?
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 22:53
|
|
|
Going through the good art/bad art thread, oh drat there's some good art in here, oh wow okay that ones kinda bad Xmen phoenix legacy of fire posts Oh okay actually i think im good on this for now...  Why did editors look at this pitch and think hmm yes we should sell this
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 23:07
|
|
|
People are split over Whedon's run, so you can read that if you really really want to. I didn't and I loved BKV's Runaways, for what it's worth. Definitely read the Civil War YA/Runaways mini (it's great and works as a great sequel to both runs), the Avengers Academy arc with the Runaways as an extended cameo (I mean, just, read Avengers Academy in general but at least read that specific arc within it, since it's basically a long-need coda to a couple of ideas that BKV never addressed), and everyone I've talked to says that the Runaways mini during SW 2015 is great (but very different to what came before).
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 23:08
|
|
|
Roth posted:I will after I read Brian K. Vaughn's Runaways. This is what people say, but you have them available so why not?
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 23:08
|
|
|
One of the Runaways got their resolution today. 
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 23:18
|
|
|
SynthOrange posted:One of the Runaways got their resolution today. Man, did they have to throw in 'oh BTW he's a Vibranium junkie' before killing him, though?
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 23:24
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 07:21 |
|
|
Yvonmukluk posted:Man, did they have to throw in 'oh BTW he's a Vibranium junkie' before killing him, though? That was the thing that lead to his fate
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2016 23:35
|
|
