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Mr. Nice! posted:He defended the corporate client and lost. Did you just make a domestic violence joke? Edit: Nope! Mr Nice! lives up to his name. WrenP-Complete has issued a correction as of 19:11 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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Mors Rattus posted:What about the private defense attorneys who're on retainer to organized crime? Usually former prosecutors who understand the unique and super complex burdens of a mob trial. You don't very to prosecute cases like that in the first place unless you are very good. Also if you need a PD for your mob trial you work for a lovely mob.
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DeathSandwich posted:Was Blaine the guy who made the 'I'm angry about gummy dicks' and the 'Sorry Daughters, daddy's gotta work' videos?
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Sep 21, 2016 18:27
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Mr. Nice! posted:He defended the corporate client and lost. Yeah, sorry if that wasn't clear. You will occasionally see really good civil attorneys get scorched when they cross over to defend thier business clients in criminal charges. Upstanding businessmen are used to getting thier way and often pay a premium to really good civil attorneys to do so. When they get charged with smacking around thier spouse they want to go with the guy/firm that they trust with their millions. Good attorneys also tend to a bit cocky and by God if I can successfully fight off the IRS how hard could it be to whip some misdemeanor prosecutor? They aren't bad lawyers, but criminal versus civil law are like very different dialects of the same language. Moreover if you are a good civil attorney you'll almost never see a jury. Chef Boyardeez Nuts has issued a correction as of 18:42 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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Sep 21, 2016 18:34
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Subterfrugal posted:Yeah, sorry if that wasn't clear. Upstanding businessmen are used to getting thier way and often pay a premium to really good civil attorneys to do so. When they get charges with smacking around thier spouse they want to go with the guy/firm that they trust with their millions. Good attorneys also tend to a bit cocky and by God if I can successfully fight off the IRS how hard could it be to whip some misdemeanor prosecutor? Ah I was just confused. So they use their company's lawyer as a defense attorney. From how you phrased it I thought you meant that you as the public defender was winning against the Ivy League lawyer who was on the other side.
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Sep 21, 2016 18:40
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WrenP-Complete posted:Ah I was just confused. So they use their company's lawyer as a defense attorney. From how you phrased it I thought you meant that you as the public defender was winning against the Ivy League lawyer who was on the other side. In this case the goon is the prosecution. I suppose I could have worded my response more clearly as well.
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Sep 21, 2016 18:44
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Mr. Nice! posted:In this case the goon is the prosecution. I suppose I could have worded my response more clearly as well. I was about to edit my post above. Cool, glad that didn't happen then...
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Sep 21, 2016 18:46
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There are a bunch of goon lawyers of all trades. We have ambulance chasers, PDs and prosecution, patent office guys, a conucopia of government lawyers, and a handful of solo guys that take whatever cases will pay the bills.
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Sep 21, 2016 18:51
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Subterfrugal posted:This is true, but for a good reasons: The point I meant was "we don't fund PD's anywhere near enough and they need to plead people out as fast as possible just to keep up" rather than "PD's suck" 
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Sep 21, 2016 18:54
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SocketWrench posted:
It never ceases to amaze me that these self-described 'rugged survivalists' would have died of the plague If the FBI just left them alone for another 3 weeks.
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Sep 21, 2016 19:08
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red19fire posted:It never ceases to amaze me that these self-described 'rugged survivalists' would have died of the plague If the FBI just left them alone for another 3 weeks. quote:Here lies Ryan Bundy, died of dysentery.
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Sep 21, 2016 19:15
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You broke a wagon wheel on Ryan Bundy's face but were able to replace it with a spare. Increase gummy dick rations to filling?
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Sep 21, 2016 19:57
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The gummy dicks were sugar free, you died
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Sep 21, 2016 20:04
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...I need to change my username. Pedanticus Rex? Technically?
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Sep 21, 2016 20:07
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Really appreciating the posts by actual defense attorneys itt. Keep it up guys.
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Sep 21, 2016 21:29
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red19fire posted:It never ceases to amaze me that these self-described 'rugged survivalists' would have died of the plague If the FBI just left them alone for another 3 weeks. I know that they claimed to be prepared for a long occupation, but was that just cover when it didn't go their way or did they actually think they were prepared for a long occupation but were just incompetent at the actual preparation?
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Sep 21, 2016 22:22
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Azathoth posted:What was their ideal endgame anyways? From their perspective, in 2014 they ran roughshod over the BLM, got into an armed standoff with the feds, and the feds backed down. They were going to link up with likeminded sovcits (like the sheriff they were en route to that day) and spread the word and force the government to back down, bit by bit, and get land released to the states (and ultimately, available for private purchase). They didn't expect the feds to actually do anything. So when the hammer actually dropped, most scattered.
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Sep 21, 2016 22:29
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Azathoth posted:What was their ideal endgame anyways? One idea is that they were expecting to get an eviction notice (instead of an arrest). Then they could use that eviction notice to argue their retarded "the federal government has no right to own land" position all the way to the supreme court.
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Sep 21, 2016 23:02
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Keep in mind that they also honestly believed that they were starting the next american civil war and that thousands of patriots would come and reenforce them any minute now.
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Sep 21, 2016 23:06
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The Patriots were right, the driver of Ammon's jeep was an https://twitter.com/ryanjhaas/status/778696766510084096 https://twitter.com/martinkaste/status/778703395125288965 bellows lugosi has issued a correction as of 23:19 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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Sep 21, 2016 23:12
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I'm wondering if the large amount of documents they stole from computers at the Malheur office had something to do with their larger plan.
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Sep 21, 2016 23:19
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Step 1: Take over a bird sanctuary. Step 2: ??? Step 3: Revert back to the Articles of Confederation
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Sep 21, 2016 23:20
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red19fire posted:It never ceases to amaze me that these self-described 'rugged survivalists' would have died of the plague If the FBI just left them alone for another 3 weeks. It's the Oregon Trail except the hunting is soliciting the internet for supplies, and there's really no trail
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Sep 21, 2016 23:21
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Discendo Vox posted:I'm wondering if the large amount of documents they stole from computers at the Malheur office had something to do with their larger plan. I'm pretty sure that boils down to "We know they're scheming something here, it must be in these documents. We'll "seize" them and look through them for evidence!"
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Sep 21, 2016 23:25
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SocketWrench posted:I'm pretty sure that boils down to "We know they're scheming something here, it must be in these documents. We'll "seize" them and look through them for evidence!" I'm guessing it was more than that- that they were specifically pulling land ownership or property delineation records.
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Sep 21, 2016 23:26
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SocketWrench posted:It's the Oregon Trail except the hunting is soliciting the internet for supplies, and there's really no trail Casimir Radon has issued a correction as of 23:54 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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Sep 21, 2016 23:51
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You shot 1776 pounds of documents but you will be able to carry back only 200 pounds with the help of party members. You used 1488 bullets.
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Azathoth posted:What was their ideal endgame anyways? Ammon or Ryan said they were preparing to stay there for at least a year, per the OPB podcast. Within a week they were begging on twitter for blankets and food, because they did not bring these things to Oregon in January. In 3 weeks, they clogged all the toilets and dug a trench to poo poo in with a backhoe. By the time week 5 rolled around when the last four 'patriots' were finally arrested, it was in condemned trailer park condition. Week 8 would have introduced the plague, week 12 would have brought cannibalism. Like in one of the mid-occupation videos by Fry right when they started going feral, he pans around and you can see a pile of broken lawn chairs, people sleeping in cars and just trash all over the place. Like in just over 2 weeks, they broken enough lawn chairs (that i presume they brought with them) to have a designated broken lawn chair area.
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Sep 21, 2016 23:56
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Victoria Sharp is pregnant, father is unknown. Morale is low.
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Where did they get the backhoe?
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Mors Rattus posted:Where did they get the backhoe? It was onsite equipment used by Reserve workers, I believe. https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/778721060350926849 https://twitter.com/cjmoose/status/778722664668024832 https://twitter.com/voltron6666666/status/778728090486702080 dangit, I have no idea how to embed all of these together. https://twitter.com/Leah_Sottile/status/778680327149543424 https://twitter.com/Leah_Sottile/status/778722937247367169 https://twitter.com/hecktow/status/778087685571301376 (probably didn't quite happen that way) Discendo Vox has issued a correction as of 00:25 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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Discendo Vox posted:It was onsite equipment used by Reserve workers, I believe. Did it capture any of the comments? Because I know a lot of goons were participating in those - I jumped in just a couple of times.
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hell I'm probably all over those chat logs, if they included the chat in it (I hope they did)
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https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/778689948975112192Platystemon posted:
Apparently, at least for a single day's proceedings, particularly without further action being taken.  FBI negotiator Mark took the stand!!Mark is Marc Maxwell!!!!   (note this is just the first FBI result I got from the standoff- Marc is undoubtedly far more cool and handsome, but we will use this as a stand-in.) https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/778745748158459905 Discendo Vox has issued a correction as of 01:28 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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Is there a greatest hits of Marc? I never got to listen during the standoff and everyone said he mocked the poo poo out of these cosplayers
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Sep 22, 2016 01:49
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Marc was the single best recruiting tool for the FBI that I can imagine. Multiple former classmates of mine (PhD clinical psych) posted about changing attitudes towards the FBI as a result of his work.
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Maxine Maxine Bernstein posted:Jurors heard FBI negotiator Marc Maxwell's calls to remaining occupiers on 2/5, 2/6, repeatedly ask them if there were stairs in their tents Discendo Vox has issued a correction as of 02:00 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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WrenP-Complete posted:Marc was the single best recruiting tool for the FBI that I can imagine. Multiple former classmates of mine (PhD clinical psych) posted about changing attitudes towards the FBI as a result of his work. I want to join the FBI so Marc senpai will notice me
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Discendo Vox posted:It was onsite equipment used by Reserve workers, I believe. I believe they also broke it somehow during their digging of the shittrench, or possibly when they failed in an attempt to construct earthworks.
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