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CPColin posted:Holy hell, "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" is one big pacing issue. At least we get a "sabotaaaage" out of the deal. I love the weird zoom-ins on the alerts in that one. That is the episode where that happens, right?
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Watching Datalore for the first time and the music is absolutely brilliant. I wish the music was like this more often.
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cargohills posted:Watching Datalore for the first time and the music is absolutely brilliant. I wish the music was like this more often. You noticed the music! That means you were distracted from the episode, they should have strived for sonic wallpaper!
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egon_beeblebrox posted:I love the weird zoom-ins on the alerts in that one. That is the episode where that happens, right? Yep!
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bull3964 posted:You noticed the music! lol. What a bad and dumb decision sonic wallpaper was. One of the main reasons I love TOS is how nuts the music is. CPColin posted:Yep! It's a dumb episode, but I really love how goofy that effect is.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:lol. What a bad and dumb decision sonic wallpaper was. One of the main reasons I love TOS is how nuts the music is. Family Guy has been awful for years, but every now and again they slip in a joke about how Ron Jones (FG's primary composer) got totally boned on TNG, and it's great.
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Lord Hydronium posted:On the subject of stock Trek plots, DS9 really liked "everyone plays out of character" episodes, didn't they. There's "alien influence causes weird personality shifts" (Dramatis Personae), "evil/alternate versions of the main characters" (all the Mirror Universe episodes), and episodes where they just play entirely different characters (Our Man Bashir, Far Beyond the Stars). I suppose you could also count Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang with the characters themselves intentionally acting as different people. Man, Dramatis Personae would have been great as, like, a late season two episode. They managed to hold off longer than the TNG staff did with The Naked Now but it was still way too early to have fun with a characterization swap.
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Timby posted:Family Guy has been awful for years, but every now and again they slip in a joke about how Ron Jones (FG's primary composer) got totally boned on TNG, and it's great. There's bits about Ron Jones in the book where multiple people refute that he got kicked because of the sonic wallpaper poo poo but I wasn't listening that closely to that part
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A Fancy Bloke posted:There's bits about Ron Jones in the book where multiple people refute that he got kicked because of the sonic wallpaper poo poo but I wasn't listening that closely to that part Oh, very clever, A Fancy Book. Eat any good books, lately?
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I love all this insider trek drama so I caved and bought the 50 year mission book. Hope it's good!
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cargohills posted:Watching Datalore for the first time and the music is absolutely brilliant. I wish the music was like this more often. For real, the music is one of the few strong points of the really rough first two seasons of TNG. I still remember the music set to the Yamato's destruction (also a pretty good effect) from series two, its just so good and distinct.
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Geez, like an Adam West Batman.  Next thing you know, Frank Gorshin will show up. Wait...
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A Fancy Bloke posted:There's bits about Ron Jones in the book where multiple people refute that he got kicked because of the sonic wallpaper poo poo but I wasn't listening that closely to that part Even if he wasn't literally fired for pushing back against sonic wallpaper, it's still a fact that late TNG's music was a huge mushy mess.
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Timby posted:Family Guy has been awful for years, but every now and again they slip in a joke about how Ron Jones (FG's primary composer) got totally boned on TNG, and it's great. Like what? I've never caught them, but that sounds fascinating.
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Baronjutter posted:I love all this insider trek drama so I caved and bought the 50 year mission book. Hope it's good! There's two books dawg. And yeah they are awesome
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Even if he wasn't literally fired for pushing back against sonic wallpaper, it's still a fact that late TNG's music was a huge mushy mess. 
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Baka-nin posted:For real, the music is one of the few strong points of the really rough first two seasons of TNG. I still remember the music set to the Yamato's destruction (also a pretty good effect) from series two, its just so good and distinct. I really hope the music for the new show is memorable and includes lots of cool spacey synth noises, I loved that poo poo from TNG's first three seasons. gently caress it, raise Jerry Goldsmith from the dead
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Tighclops posted:I really hope the music for the new show is memorable and includes lots of cool spacey synth noises, I loved that poo poo from TNG's first three seasons. Whatever the music turns out like, let's hope Bryan Fuller writes lyrics for all of it (none of which will ever be used, of course) in order to claim co-author credit and 50% of the royalties. It's what Gene would have wanted.
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I own an IDIC shirt That's what Gene would have wanted
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I cheated on my common law wife, then entered a relationship with the mistress who I then also cheated on. It's what Gene would have wanted 
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I time travel assassinated JFK It's what Gene would have wanted.
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There are at least a handful of episodes in the first few years of TNG that are only really memorable because of the music. Evolution is a great example. The story itself didn't have a whole lot going on, but it still feels oddly fresh on a rewatch mostly thanks to the score. It probably wouldn't stand out at all in the later seasons once the production was in its final form. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6Xnqm1H39c The sonic wallpaper we got later on would've killed a lot of the tension. And they used the wallpaper for so long that it eventually came around the other side and became noticeable, just in the "oh for gently caress's sake not this music again" way, a big contributor to how stale Star Trek looked and felt towards the end. By the time Enterprise started experimenting a little it was way too late.
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There are people talking about this same subject (music designed to not be noticeable) in the CD film score thread. The jist is that it's much easier to edit around unremarkable filler music and stings than wait for the composer to come up with sweet tunes for everything. Hence there are no memorable pieces in any Marvel movie, for example. Also I'm not convinced that the early TNG music is that great, it sounds like poo poo you hear on 80's direct-to-VHS stuff/babby's first synth score. The TNG budget was low enough that they liked to write "bottle" episodes (no unique/episode-specific sets), so if they had to sacrifice that kind of music to get the show done, it's a deal.
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It was the 80's, if it's not ok to sound like babby's first synth score in those days then I don't know what's acceptable quite frankly I really hated that by the time you get to Voyager, the music and opening teasers are like "oh hi harry off to wank in the holodeck again" "oh cool tom I'll see you on the bridge" WAHH WAAHH WAHH WAHHHHH *fade to black* like who the gently caress were they trying to get watching this show?
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Gammatron 64 posted:Voyager people are dumb and bad and should feel bad. Voyager people are like Doctor Who people. And as always, Deep Space 9 is the best Star Trek.
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It's me, I'm the one who likes Enterprise. Voyager is one true Trek failure.
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I'm having a discussion with a buddy, we can't agree which song is better. To avoid a flaming, I won't reveal my preference. Mutara Nebula battle theme song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KilBvojsMdw or the Klingon theme? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXYjvrzJkl8
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Tighclops posted:It was the 80's, if it's not ok to sound like babby's first synth score in those days then I don't know what's acceptable quite frankly On the other hand, "Wow, music that a 20-year-old kid could make in half an hour in his basement, this is truly timeless." And it's not good 80's synth either. If they were mothballing stuff like they might do today, such as orchestral pieces (even the fake-sounding stuff that they record separately and then overlay), then I could see the concern. The original series themes are about a thousand times better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWE8TYxgG9s Voyager is of course trash.
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I can't remember any star treks music outside of the themes and the end of BOBW Part 1
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TheBigAristotle posted:I'm having a discussion with a buddy, we can't agree which song is better. To avoid a flaming, I won't reveal my preference. They're both awesome but Khan wins this one.
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Powered Descent posted:They're both awesome but Khan wins this one. Yeah, the Mutara Nebula music really sets the tone of the battle. I just can't imagine it without exactly that music.
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I'll go with Mutara, though some small part of me is starting to prefer Stealing The Enterprise, Mutara's somewhat overlooked cousin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s5lQ-bGe6c Zurui posted:It's me, I'm the one who likes Enterprise. Voyager is one true Trek failure. I'd add Nemesis alongside Voyager on that list but otherwise I agree.
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Sash! posted:I can't remember any star treks music outside of the themes and the end of BOBW Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7jbP1_H9sA
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TheBigAristotle posted:I'm having a discussion with a buddy, we can't agree which song is better. To avoid a flaming, I won't reveal my preference. They're both exceptional, but the Klingon theme is catchier and more iconic. If you played them both to a room full of layman, I suspect that far more would know the Klingon music was from Star Trek. Of course, that could partly be because they reused it later. I especially like some of the weird instrumentation in the TMP score. WoK's music is fantastic (probably better all around), but it's a bit more traditional orchestral. All the crunchy clattering and droning in TMP can be a bit much at times, but when it works, it's arguably the best space music Star Trek ever had.
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I always thought the TNG music in the first season or so was over rated heavily by this forum.
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I was never as big on DS9 as I was on TOS and TNG. It's better than Voyager, by a long shot, but I'm not really either kind of Trek fan in that regard. By that time I was spoiled by B5 and Trek has never been top tier for me since. I pretty much rank the Trek shows in descending order from TOS through Voyager, with Enterprise an uptick at the end.Gammatron 64 posted:Well, Trekkies are also terrible, it's just that they're mostly older now and Star Trek has been semi-dead for a long time. ST: Beyond was good but flopped in the box office because young people don't give a poo poo about Star Tracks and we're all becoming old farts here. The RTD years with Eccleston and Tennant, and I'll be honest, especially the fandom, killed all my enthusiasm for Doctor Who. Even though I thought it got much better the first season after RTD left, I never ended up watching any more after that anyway. I grew up with the old show, but unless you can view it with the proper context it might be difficult to enjoy. You've got to recall the imaginative powers you had as a child to overcome the deficiencies and see what they meant to show you, not what the budget allowed them to show. And I'm not talking about like you have to do with B5; the old Doctor Who is like that times 10.
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TheBigAristotle posted:I'm having a discussion with a buddy, we can't agree which song is better. To avoid a flaming, I won't reveal my preference. The Mutara Battle score is perfect for that entire sequence, but the Klingon theme is absolutely perfect for that entire race and every scene they're in. It absolutely nails the proper tone and I can't imagine Klingon stuff without it. Even when it's used in little stings within larger scores, it still gives you that instant feeling of "oh poo poo, something KLINGON is happening!". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdNbVxMNFvk I really love the music in the TNG movies, even Nemesis. Insurrection has the weakest score, but it still pairs well with the tone of the film.
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That brings back memories. It was a big deal when I was a kid sitting in the theater and the Borg cube showed up to wreck everyone's poo poo like that. Back in my day (!) you didn't have Borg this, Borg that. All you remembered was the Borg from TNG at a time when assimilating robotic automatons in giant, industrial cubic spaceships meant something, dammit!
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