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This is why agents and unions are such great things and why I'd love to see more industries adopt them. A worker needs someone who's on their side, who can be the bad guy in negotiations. Boy my agent talked you into paying me more than you wanted to, huh? Ha ha, sorry buddy, he's just out for his commission you know. Gee boss I'd love to work unpaid overtime but welp, union rules are against it. They'd kick me out if they knew. Everybody deserves a buffer. Incidentally, I'm not in HR. That's not really a thing in my end of the entertainment industry. I'm a producer, so hiring people is one of many things I do. Tiny Brontosaurus fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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pr0zac posted:You keep saying this but haven't named a single company. H1B reform isn't because there's a lack of candidates. It's because there's a lack of candidates willing to work for sub-$40k in SV.
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Liquid Communism posted:H1B reform isn't because there's a lack of candidates. That's not it either. The real problem is that a disproportionate number of H-1B visas are eaten up by a handful of Indian consulting companies that pay their employees peanuts. This means that companies who pay their employees 2x or 3x what the likes of Tata and Infosys do, and who hire much more highly skilled and highly qualified employees, are completely unable to employ their desired candidates in the USA (with no guarantees of future employability either). Some sort of auction for visas (w.r.t employee compensation, not visa cost), or a significantly higher pay floor, would go a long ways towards making the system more efficient.
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blah_blah posted:Some sort of auction for visas (w.r.t employee compensation, not visa cost), or a significantly higher pay floor, would go a long ways towards making the system more efficient.
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blah_blah posted:That's not it either. The real problem is that a disproportionate number of H-1B visas are eaten up by a handful of Indian consulting companies that pay their employees peanuts. This means that companies who pay their employees 2x or 3x what the likes of Tata and Infosys do, and who hire much more highly skilled and highly qualified employees, are completely unable to employ their desired candidates in the USA (with no guarantees of future employability either). I cannot express in words how much I am frustrated by Tata, having worked with some of their people. Interpretive dance and/or thermonuclear devices may be required.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:This is why agents and unions are such great things and why I'd love to see more industries adopt them. A worker needs someone who's on their side, who can be the bad guy in negotiations. Boy my agent talked you into paying me more than you wanted to, huh? Ha ha, sorry buddy, he's just out for his commission you know. Gee boss I'd love to work unpaid overtime but welp, union rules are against it. They'd kick me out if they knew. I totally agree with this. I'm not in tech at all, but I'm part of a union. While people will grumble about union politics, it helps people in a ton of ways. Unions can also help mediate petty employee drama and keep it from escalating to being an HR issue.
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You guys haven't seen anything till you've worked with tech Mahindra.
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I think the only thing more arbitrary in this industry than hiring of programmers is hiring of tech recruiters. I've had wildly different experiences there -- from an amazing experience with a recruiter seeking me out on freenode IRC because they needed a particular kind of expertise (and I was pretty much the only one with it), to emails with the wrong name on them from someone who clearly hadn't read the first line of my profile.
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As someone who's worked in multiple places the larger corporations tend to be far less shady than small companies/startups.
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Panfilo posted:I totally agree with this. I'm not in tech at all, but I'm part of a union. While people will grumble about union politics, it helps people in a ton of ways. Unions can also help mediate petty employee drama and keep it from escalating to being an HR issue. The people who grumble about union politics are the same people who grumble about local, state and federal politics too. A union is only as good as its leadership and member base and if you don't like something, run to be a union officer and do something about it! Like I don't know if a lot of people don't know that's possible or something.
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rscott posted:The people who grumble about union politics are the same people who grumble about local, state and federal politics too. A union is only as good as its leadership and member base and if you don't like something, run to be a union officer and do something about it! Like I don't know if a lot of people don't know that's possible or something. There are terrible, politicized unions that represent a threat to businesses and even to their own members. The problem is that those who want to simply act against unionization all together use those bad examples (that I'd dare say are outliers) to paint the whole system of unions. The fact is that the bargaining power disparities between businesses and individual workers are such, that unions play an essential role in ensuring fairness.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The standard of proof for "no American qualified to do the job" (or what the exact phrasing is, I forget) should be way, way higher.
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Gail Wynand posted:That's not the standard for H1B, that's for green cards. H1B requires employers to pay the prevailing wage for the position, which Tata/Infosys game the gently caress out of.
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Gail Wynand posted:That's not the standard for H1B, that's for green cards. That's only the case for certain preference classes of green cards. For some (I was doing EB-1) you don't even need a job or offer to qualify.
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rscott posted:The people who grumble about union politics are the same people who grumble about local, state and federal politics too. A union is only as good as its leadership and member base and if you don't like something, run to be a union officer and do something about it! Like I don't know if a lot of people don't know that's possible or something. I kind of assumed it was the product of privilege ; they've been living in this bubble of good pay, decent working conditions and nice benefits. There's so much job stability that most of my coworkers have been here 30 years, so their threshold for what they consider unacceptable is much different.
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rscott posted:The people who grumble about union politics are the same people who grumble about local, state and federal politics too. A union is only as good as its leadership and member base and if you don't like something, run to be a union officer and do something about it! Like I don't know if a lot of people don't know that's possible or something. My father and step-mother were part of a public sector union for their entire careers in Ontario. He retired at 55 with seven-figure lump sum pension and she was in a horrific non-work-related car accident which left her disabled and now the same union will support her for the rest of her life until she cashes in her pension. They were both in management positions and have said that the union that they were a part of, footing the bill for all of this, and I quote, "can get hosed." The funny thing is that my step sister is now bouncing from contract to contract in the broadcasting industry with no job security or benefits but somehow my step-mother thinks "employers should be allowed to do that!" Who the gently caress do you think stopped them from getting away with that poo poo, woman? In the hospital I work for, literally every leader bitches and moans about the unions, as if a)there aren't assholes and difficult employees in every workplace and b) that if they were in a non-unionized in environment everything would be all sunshine and roses. In the learning and development department, the other woman I worked with was dead certain that if she went back to the private sector, which she hadn't worked for in 10 years (socialized medicine so my hospital is part of the public sector) she'd find a better L&D job. Yeah, trying being a cost centre in a for-profit business, honey. See how many resources you get then.
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peter banana posted:My father and step-mother were part of a public sector union for their entire careers in Ontario. He retired at 55 with seven-figure lump sum pension and she was in a horrific non-work-related car accident which left her disabled and now the same union will support her for the rest of her life until she cashes in her pension. They were both in management positions and have said that the union that they were a part of, footing the bill for all of this, and I quote, "can get hosed." *Union contract has employer pay for their drug, alcohol, and marriage counseling* *previous history of drug, alcohol, and marriage problems lead to them getting a heart attack, of which they only owe our HMO $5 to treat. * *Gets gastric bypass for another 5bux to lose excess weight and try to prevent future heart attacks * *has enough vacation time /sick time stockpiled to easily cover the massive amount of time missed, when he returns his seniority is preserved. * *goes to Union Meeting drug/alcohol free, with a fixed heart and and 150lbs lighter and proceeds to complain that his dues are just lining the pockets of the Local's President  *
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For profit healthcare is a scary environment. Staff are horribly under-qualified and management sets an acceptable level pf negative outcomes in order to maximize revenue. Literal death panels. When is Uber Healthcare going to come in and disrupt? Get some third world certified healthcare worker to come to your location with the press of a button.
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cowofwar posted:For profit healthcare is a scary environment. Staff are horribly under-qualified and management sets an acceptable level pf negative outcomes in order to maximize revenue. Literal death panels. The funny thing is we brought in this management system to improve the response we get when we survey patients about their experiences here (the previous results we dire) and this management system was developed in the States and encourages hospital staff to like, not be miserable assholes and have some empathy for people who are sick and scared. There's also a lot of good science to back up the idea that if a doctor or a nurse treats a patient like a halfway decent human being, hey, that patient will actually follow their orders and have better health outcomes, which is maybe beneficial for a socialized system. But the most egregious crime is that the system encourages us to "think of our patients and their families like customers and provide good service." Well, everybody hates that and is insulted by it and its a convenient excuse to write off the whole thing off. People on my team have actually said, "oh, if there was a profit motive and they were actually customers, we'd treat them better." As if every for-profit business practice top-notch customer service. Ever heard of Verizon, folks? Or banks? Can't get more capitalist than a bank and pretty often their customer service is poo poo.
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literally the only interview question i have asked or been asked that seems predictive of competence at all is 'tell me about a problem you solved and how you solved it'. i work with a company full of people who have read every paper and can rebalance every tree and they need to be dragged by the nose through every single problem
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the talent deficit posted:literally the only interview question i have asked or been asked that seems predictive of competence at all is 'tell me about a problem you solved and how you solved it'. i work with a company full of people who have read every paper and can rebalance every tree and they need to be dragged by the nose through every single problem My favourites included "what was the hardest part of that to test?" and "if you could revisit one design decision about the project, what would it be?" (Plus follow-on "why?" and such, obviously.)
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It's on Lyft's blog. https://blog.lyft.com/posts/2016/9/6/chicago-special-delivery Long Businessweek post-mortem on Hampton Creek, the sales-massaging mavens of Just Mayo.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It's on Lyft's blog. How that is seen as a positive and not an insane demonstration of being extremely economically disadvantaged because your employer doesn't provide health insurance is beyond me.
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Panfilo posted:I kind of assumed it was the product of privilege ; they've been living in this bubble of good pay, decent working conditions and nice benefits. There's so much job stability that most of my coworkers have been here 30 years, so their threshold for what they consider unacceptable is much different. That's why anti-union stuff gets any traction at all, really. Thanks to unions existing for a long time even non-union jobs got a ton of benefit. As union membership declined so has compensation of literally every type if you aren't in the like top quintile of earners. It also doesn't help that strikes inconvenience or annoy wealthy white people so of course they detest unions when that happens. Unions aren't perfect but by merely existing the improve the lives of workers overall. I'd rather live in a world with them then without.
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Subjunctive posted:My favourites included "what was the hardest part of that to test?" and "if you could revisit one design decision about the project, what would it be?" (Plus follow-on "why?" and such, obviously.) yeah obviously that question is just to start a discussion, but you learn world's more about a candidate via a friendly conversation about problem solving and post mortem and ideas for improvement than you do from seeing them do fizzbuzz on a whiteboard you are probably slightly more prone to 'talk a good game' people who can't actually program in practice but those people are obvious once you get them in office and you can just get rid of them. the worst people to hire are the mediocre people who just barely clear the bar and are minimally productive but inertia/empathy prevent you from addressing them appropriately. i want to hire all people who are either clearly terrible or good i went to a conference where there was a panel discussion on how to screen candidates and every single panel member (all of whom were from 'name' companies) talked about how critical it is that you avoid bad hires because they can do so much damage. all i learned is that those 'name' companies have loving atrocious management who can't reasonably control their employees access to critical paths and who are allergic to firing. how hosed is the company culture if you have to invest so much time and effort into vetting candidates? tons of companies seem to have terrible hire rates. how is it not cheaper and more effective to hire early and fire early?
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ToxicSlurpee posted:That's why anti-union stuff gets any traction at all, really. Thanks to unions existing for a long time even non-union jobs got a ton of benefit. As union membership declined so has compensation of literally every type if you aren't in the like top quintile of earners. It also doesn't help that strikes inconvenience or annoy wealthy white people so of course they detest unions when that happens. Agreed. For unions to thrive, they need support of local people. But that's hard these days because most of those people aren't getting good benefits and a pension the Local might be getting . Then when unions have their members go on strike people get angry because not only are they inconvenienced, but they're riled up into being jealous of workers who have it better than them.
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Subjunctive posted:My favourites included "what was the hardest part of that to test?" and "if you could revisit one design decision about the project, what would it be?" (Plus follow-on "why?" and such, obviously.)
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peter banana posted:The funny thing is we brought in this management system to improve the response we get when we survey patients about their experiences here (the previous results we dire) and this management system was developed in the States and encourages hospital staff to like, not be miserable assholes and have some empathy for people who are sick and scared. There's also a lot of good science to back up the idea that if a doctor or a nurse treats a patient like a halfway decent human being, hey, that patient will actually follow their orders and have better health outcomes, which is maybe beneficial for a socialized system. From my experience with healthcare, much of it comes down to gaming the surveys by using dumb scripts with patients or in other cases giving a bunch of amenities that have little to do with actually getting better. I believe actual research was done on hcahps and the hospitals with the best scores had the worst patient outcomes. In healthcare, the patient isn't always right.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:
Their product is actually really good though, so all is forgiven in my mind. blah_blah posted:
Not trying to be that guy, but the analytics behind doing a word frequency and where clauses are extremely rudimentary. He definitely did a good job with presentation though, and half the battle is coming up with good applications for your tool set. Kim Jong Il fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:from my anecdotal experience in software recruiting i can confirm that blah_blah is spot on and i dont know why you think this post would convince anyone that your argument is correct I think he or she is very butthurt that perhaps his or her industry works very differently than software and has different problems. I should go to a nearby studio lot and start ranting about how these idiots aren't going to hire anyone who doesn't fit the right mold by some bullshit criteria and see how far I get. P.S. I hire, manage, and fire software employees if we're going by credentials now, given that the level of discourse seems to have slipped to fact free fusillades.
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Yahoo just disclosed a rather large data breach that happened in 2014 (500 million user accounts): http://www.wsj.com/articles/yahoo-says-information-on-at-least-500-million-user-accounts-is-stolen-1474569637 It doesn't seem to have affected their share price, but maybe this happened after markets closed? Or maybe people just don't care about Russian hackers stealing their personal info?
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namaste faggots posted:Seriously have you people ever had a loving hr department that wasn't retarded and lazy? Yeah, it was in manufacturing and they were really good about harassment issues. I'm sorry you've only worked for bad companies. 
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Peztopiary posted:Yeah, it was in manufacturing and they were really good about harassment issues. I'm sorry you've only worked for bad companies. There's almost a direct correlation between how uselss a company's product or service is to society and how useless the people are who work there.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Yahoo just disclosed a rather large data breach that happened in 2014 (500 million user accounts): Why would investors care? This happens all the time.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/22/palmer-luckey-the-facebook-billionaire-secretly-funding-trump-s-meme-machine.html
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peter banana posted:There's almost a direct correlation between how uselss a company's product or service is to society and how useless the people are who work there. I guess airplanes are useless to society then
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Twitter said to be in sales negotiations. An offer is expected "by year-end", and Google and Salesforce are said to be the frontrunners.quote:Twitter shares soared Friday morning following reports that the social media company had begun sale negotiations with several technology companies and may receive a formal offer by year’s end.
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