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Spikeguy posted:What's the best ppvs top to bottom from the last let's say 6 years? Either WM30 or Takover R Evolution.
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Dragon Gate Dead or Alive 2016 was solid all through out and had my angle of the year.
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Sep 20, 2016 22:22
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MITB 2011 was a great show too.
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Sep 20, 2016 23:15
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The answer is pretty clearly ZANDIG: Tournament of Survival. Very even show top to bottom, didn't need to rely on one match to prop it up.
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Sep 20, 2016 23:23
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Gavok posted:WCW counts as part of WWE's history and according to the video game WCW Thunder, they had Royal Rumbles that took place in space. Dusty Rhodes once challenged Tully Blanchard to a match that would take place in the stratosphere.
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Sep 20, 2016 23:45
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Wrestlemania 30 was pretty great, between Bryan kneeing Trips' face in, The Shield squashing some stupid assholes, Cesaro just not giving a gently caress, The Streak, and the main event. And yeah, pretty much any NXT Takeover.
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Sep 21, 2016 00:02
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The multiple of 10 Wrestlemania's are all very strange, as they always seem to presage a new direction, but it's always something of a false start. 10 had Shawn Michaels and Razor Ramon put on a spectacle, The Harts had a great match and it was followed up with Bret finally dethroning the unstoppable champ. 4 years later Shawn is broken, Razors part of the competition, and Bret got turfed, WWF is riding high on a guy who wasnt even in the company when 10 came around. 20 ends on what was then a high note with Benoit and Guerrero, that ends badly, even in the short term as neither guy held onto the belts for very long afterward and the opening match guy went on to define the next decade. 30 revolves around Daniel Bryan, against the wishes of the company, but they are forced into it by fans who will not stop supporting the guy, he breaks within two months and never really gets another run.
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Sep 21, 2016 00:08
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Does any fed use the one piece turnbuckle pads besides NJPW? I could've sworn they weren't alone. but all the other puro feds I can think seem to use the standard three pad setup. EDIT: DDT Thauros fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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Sep 21, 2016 04:14
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Thauros posted:Does any fed use the one piece turnbuckle pads besides NJPW? I could've sworn they weren't alone. but all the other puro feds I can think seem to use the standard three pad setup. ROH used to have those back in the day, and given their relationship with NJPW it's about time they bring them back, even if it were only for the occasional Yano Toru appearance.
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Sep 21, 2016 19:03
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TL posted:MITB 2011 was a great show too. Totally agree. It was the show that got me back into WWE and turned me into a shameless Punk mark. I remember the two ladder matches were strong, the WHC title was a great match and actually benefited from the BS finish, even the hoss match was decent!
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Sep 21, 2016 20:15
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Is there any better reactions than the two HHH had to Cactus Jack debuting/coming back? The Bryan and Vinny show reviewed the Jack debut on last night's show, so I went and watched that, then just watched the Mankind->Jack turn from Smackdown before Rumble 2000. The pop when Mankind took off his mask was amazing.
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Sep 22, 2016 05:00
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Capsaicin posted:Is there any better reactions than the two HHH had to Cactus Jack debuting/coming back? The Bryan and Vinny show reviewed the Jack debut on last night's show, so I went and watched that, then just watched the Mankind->Jack turn from Smackdown before Rumble 2000. The pop when Mankind took off his mask was amazing. Royal Rumble '97 where Austin has cleared the ring for the umpteenth time, waits for who's next while exhausted, hears Bret Hart's theme and reacts with, "OH poo poo, IT'S BRET! ...Wait, gently caress this, I'm Steve Austin! I'm going to kick his rear end!" Honorable mention to Ambrose's look of dejection and confusion after Rollins hit Roman with a chair.
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Sep 22, 2016 05:30
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I loved the 1992 Rumble where Jake Roberts came in and spent the entire match glancing at the entryway waiting for Savage to show up. Then finally Savage comes out and Jake is under the ring before Savage even made it down the ramp
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Sep 22, 2016 06:03
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Mine is also the '92 Rumble where Flair is in the ring by all himself, Piper comes out, and Flair is like "AH GOD drat IT"
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Sep 22, 2016 06:42
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My favorite reaction in a Rumble is '08 when Punk and Morrison just stood in the corner marking out to each other as Piper and Snuka went at it. Then suddenly Morrison remembers he and Punk are feuding.
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Sep 22, 2016 07:11
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Capsaicin posted:Is there any better reactions than the two HHH had to Cactus Jack debuting/coming back? The Bryan and Vinny show reviewed the Jack debut on last night's show, so I went and watched that, then just watched the Mankind->Jack turn from Smackdown before Rumble 2000. The pop when Mankind took off his mask was amazing. Not kayfabe reactions, but every single fan they showed when Brock pinned Undertaker at WM30. Also, the GDT at that moment.
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Sep 22, 2016 07:32
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Another great one: when John Cena showed up in Elimination Chamber and got bombarded with a Codebreaker, 619 and Spear. Edge pinned him and his reaction was like "That... Oh God, did that work?! Yeah... Oh yeah... That worked." Early face Undertaker led to some seriously good reactions to his no-selling. Jake Roberts locking Undertaker's hand into a casket and beating him with a chair, only to see Undertaker continue to stand and lurch forward while dragging the casket behind him. Kamala hitting increasingly damaging splashes on him, only for Paul Bearer to smack the mat, causing Undertaker to sit up and Kamala to freak out and cheese it. Yokozuna slamming Undertaker's skull into the steps, then nearly falling over because Undertaker just shrugged it off and glared at him. Diesel's horror that Undertaker was still getting up after two jackknife powerbombs.
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Sep 22, 2016 07:42
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Hulk Hogan was my favorite wrestler as a kid, but I was absolutely convinced that Undertaker was unstoppable. I always knew Hogan would win after a tough fight, but Undertaker was the final boss and I don't think I would have believed Hogan beating him.
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Sep 22, 2016 08:20
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Speaking of great reactions, what was the context of this?
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sticklefifer posted:Speaking of great reactions, what was the context of this? Gavok posted:Another great one: when John Cena showed up in Elimination Chamber and got bombarded with a Codebreaker, 619 and Spear. Edge pinned him and his reaction was like "That... Oh God, did that work?! Yeah... Oh yeah... That worked." IIRC.
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Sep 22, 2016 10:16
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What year?
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Sep 22, 2016 11:19
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Pretty sure this is what Edge was reacting to. (Stolen from here years ago)
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Sep 22, 2016 11:26
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Corzaa posted:IIRC. You know what, I've seen that gif dozens of times and I totally didn't notice the EC chains in the foreground and background. No rope/nose version: 
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Sep 22, 2016 11:41
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Capsaicin posted:Is there any better reactions than the two HHH had to Cactus Jack debuting/coming back? The Bryan and Vinny show reviewed the Jack debut on last night's show, so I went and watched that, then just watched the Mankind->Jack turn from Smackdown before Rumble 2000. The pop when Mankind took off his mask was amazing. I will always be a fan of Jericho's reaction to Ciclope unmasking to be Dean Malenko.
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Sep 22, 2016 11:53
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Maybe a hard to answer question, but if you could choose one person who obviously should have been a huge star but bad booking prevented it, who would it be? Not just WWE, this person could have been underutilized everywhere they went, never really getting past upper midcard or in a team with someone else who was a bigger star. My choice would be bam bam Bigelow who should have been one of the biggest WWF stars of the early 90s and then used as a monster by wcw, but it just never really happened despite being pretty well pushed and protected. Maybe the timing was never right but I feel like he would have been a perfect late 90s triple crown champion.
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Speaking of reactions... I recently was listening to some snippets of Jim Cornette, and I was reminded just how much he LOATHES Vince Russo. So much so that he said he was taking steps to outlive him so he can piss on his grave. I had to wonder, has anyone ever told Cornette in a call-on podcast, or an email, or SOMETHING, does he really want to give Russo that much power over him? Let his rancor dictate his life so much? Yeah, I get it, Cornette's pretty much the ultimate crotchety old man BACK IN MY DAY curmudgeon and is probably prone to exaggeration and overreacting for a show, and I can't see how no one has ever told him this, and yes, the man loves wrestling with all his heart and he feels Russo poisoned the well irrevocably, but still. If Cornette still has respect and Russo doesn't, it seems like something someone should tell the man, even if he ignores it. Because that sort of thing doesn't do anything to Russo: it just makes Cornette look bad.
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Sep 22, 2016 12:33
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Bigass Moth posted:Maybe a hard to answer question, but if you could choose one person who obviously should have been a huge star but bad booking prevented it, who would it be? Not just WWE, this person could have been underutilized everywhere they went, never really getting past upper midcard or in a team with someone else who was a bigger star. Terry Taylor. In the mid-eighties people were beginning to tout him as the next Ric Flair. A guy who could talk, who was solid in the ring, whose feud with Chris Adams was so intense it crossed promotional boundaries (UWF to WCCW). But then he signed with WWF, was made a jobber, then the Red Rooster, and his career could never recover from it. He tried to rehabilitate his image after leaving WWF for WCW, but the stink of the Red Rooster wouldn't wash off.
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Sep 22, 2016 12:52
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Bigass Moth posted:Maybe a hard to answer question, but if you could choose one person who obviously should have been a huge star but bad booking prevented it, who would it be? Not just WWE, this person could have been underutilized everywhere they went, never really getting past upper midcard or in a team with someone else who was a bigger star. He was already a star everywhere else, but how WWE completely wasted Ultimo Dragon still baffles me. That should've been a no-brainer to carry the Cruiserweight division and make it huge. Others I'd mention are Mr. Perfect, Terry Taylor, and John Morrison (though he really was terrible on the mic at the time).
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Sep 22, 2016 13:05
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Bigass Moth posted:Maybe a hard to answer question, but if you could choose one person who obviously should have been a huge star but bad booking prevented it, who would it be? Not just WWE, this person could have been underutilized everywhere they went, never really getting past upper midcard or in a team with someone else who was a bigger star. Sting in WWE. Jobbed out to Triple H, DQ win over Big Show, murdered IRL by Seth Rollins. 
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Sep 22, 2016 13:19
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Bigass Moth posted:Maybe a hard to answer question, but if you could choose one person who obviously should have been a huge star but bad booking prevented it, who would it be? Not just WWE, this person could have been underutilized everywhere they went, never really getting past upper midcard or in a team with someone else who was a bigger star. Diamond Dallas Page. He only was made big in WCW as the wheels fell off the bus, and when he made the jump to WWF, he could have been the lynchpin for a better booked Invasion angle. DDP was my favorite wrestler as a kid and is a really good dude, and if he had gotten into wrestling younger and been utilized better, he would have deserved the accolades he got.
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Bigass Moth posted:Maybe a hard to answer question, but if you could choose one person who obviously should have been a huge star but bad booking prevented it, who would it be? Not just WWE, this person could have been underutilized everywhere they went, never really getting past upper midcard or in a team with someone else who was a bigger star. Cornwind Evil posted:I had to wonder, has anyone ever told Cornette in a call-on podcast, or an email, or SOMETHING, does he really want to give Russo that much power over him? Let his rancor dictate his life so much? Yeah, I get it, Cornette's pretty much the ultimate crotchety old man BACK IN MY DAY curmudgeon and is probably prone to exaggeration and overreacting for a show, and I can't see how no one has ever told him this, and yes, the man loves wrestling with all his heart and he feels Russo poisoned the well irrevocably, but still. If Cornette still has respect and Russo doesn't, it seems like something someone should tell the man, even if he ignores it. Because that sort of thing doesn't do anything to Russo: it just makes Cornette look bad.
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Sep 22, 2016 14:40
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Bigass Moth posted:Maybe a hard to answer question, but if you could choose one person who obviously should have been a huge star but bad booking prevented it, who would it be? Not just WWE, this person could have been underutilized everywhere they went, never really getting past upper midcard or in a team with someone else who was a bigger star. I'll go to the grave thinking that a babyface Dustin Rhodes was the way to go in WCW from 1995-on, even if that whole Hulk Hogan thing eventually ended up working.
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Sep 22, 2016 14:52
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Halloween Jack posted:Jake "The Snake" Roberts. Had a run with Hogan that was aborted because it split the audience, and was supposed to have a program with the Ultimate Warrior that was aborted because Warrior got fired.
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Sep 22, 2016 14:58
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Halloween Jack posted:Jake "The Snake" Roberts. Had a run with Hogan that was aborted because it split the audience, and was supposed to have a program with the Ultimate Warrior that was aborted because Warrior got fired. To elaborate, Jake did a heelish interview show for the WWF (The Snake Pit) where he interviewed Hogan, then hit him with a DDT to the floor. It was supposed to make Jake the Snake a super turbo hell-hated villian, but the live audience LOVED it apparently, so they aborted the whole idea and didn't broadcast it except in... Rhode Island, I think? Something weird like that. It's hard to imagine now, but back then the DDT was only done by Jake the Snake, and it was treated as some kind of borderline-illegal, life-threatening kill shot by EVERYONE. People sold it like a gunshot to the face, dudes would drool and have convulsions or act paralyzed after they took it, and they'd have bits where they'd talk about how it might be banned because THAT BASTARD THE SNAKE used it on a man in Alabama just to watch him die. Looking back it's ridiculous of course, but it was big fun at the time.
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Sep 22, 2016 15:35
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sean10mm posted:To elaborate, Jake did a heelish interview show for the WWF (The Snake Pit) where he interviewed Hogan, then hit him with a DDT to the floor. It was supposed to make Jake the Snake a super turbo hell-hated villian, but the live audience LOVED it apparently, so they aborted the whole idea and didn't broadcast it except in... Rhode Island, I think? Something weird like that. It also helped that he almost legit killed Ricky "the Dragon" Steamboat with it on Saturday Night Main Event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47YW0FTbbJc This may be my earliest wrestling memory.
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Sep 22, 2016 16:38
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I remember a story (never saw the match) of an NWA title match between Flair and Roberts where Roberts was the face. Flair provoked Jake into hitting him with a surprise DDT before the bell rang, and Flair sold it like death--the confusion over the match starting bought him some time, and he only won the match by relentlessly playing chickenshit heel when he eventually recovered. Jake didn't want to do that DDT on the floor, insisting it was too dangerous--and the way he did it, it was. The DDT lost its stature as a result of a bunch of people stealing it, a bunch of people not selling it right, and then the backyard crowd figured out that it was a move the could do (badly) after they saw Raven and Dreamer do it.
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Sep 22, 2016 16:45
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Bigass Moth posted:Maybe a hard to answer question, but if you could choose one person who obviously should have been a huge star but bad booking prevented it, who would it be? Not just WWE, this person could have been underutilized everywhere they went, never really getting past upper midcard or in a team with someone else who was a bigger star. TNA is infamous for building up on or stumbling into wrestlers who were really catching fire, only to bungle it badly. Monty Brown could have been something, but they just jobbed him out to Jarrett and cut off all his momentum. The Pope looked like he could be their next big thing (or at least a thing big enough to give them some identity) as an underutilized WWE guy who reinvented himself into something better, but they never capitalized and instead turned him into just another guy. Samoa Joe... well, yeah. But probably the worst would be cutting Bobby Roode off at the knees. They built him up on a run towards being champion that was probably one of the better pieces of TNA booking and came off as a star-making ascension from established tag team wrestler to top guy. Then when it came time to pull the trigger, they messed it up on a colossal level. Roode was supposed to become champion against Kurt Angle, who was hurt and desperately needed time off. Win-win situation, right? Unfortunately, the same night also featured Hogan turning face and he didn't want Roode's win overshadowing him, so Hogan had them change it to Angle retaining in a short match. Roode was derailed and came out of it looking like a massive choke artist just to feed Hogan's ego.
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Sep 22, 2016 17:31
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RE: best reactions, one of my all time favs is in the MITB match at WM 22. Flair gets helped back by medics after a superplex off a ladder. Later in the match he comes limping back out and Finlay drops the ladder he was setting up and just gives this fantastic annoyed head shake. Sigh...fine, I'll kick your rear end too. I always used to love the super bug eye looks Rocky would pull when 316 showed up on his pager or if Austin had a particularly cutting insult for him.
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Sep 22, 2016 18:05
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Bigass Moth posted:Maybe a hard to answer question, but if you could choose one person who obviously should have been a huge star but bad booking prevented it, who would it be? Not just WWE, this person could have been underutilized everywhere they went, never really getting past upper midcard or in a team with someone else who was a bigger star. I always felt Christian was horribly misused. He got a couple gold watch title reigns (that felt like they were more for Edge than him) but he could have been that Edge level top of the card dependable guy.
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Wasn't serious enough
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