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MF could work on a pro level. You just need to draft a comp that compensates for her lack of utility, damage, mobility, waveclear, etc...
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Libertine posted:I don't think you can play her into any comp at competitive level though because she has to have a few teammates who can help setup her teamfight and she has to have the ability to get off damage without getting piled on. That second part is the most difficult since most pro teams are just a big collection of piledown CC-chain/killing champions. I pretty much agree with this. She may fit into some niche comps, but she's just too dive-able to be good. Like, pick MF into top or mid Ekko and see how that goes. e: or Gnar, or Lissandra, or Maokai, or...
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https://pvplive.net/c/riot-esports-future-includes-crowdfunding-and-partInternal Riot email maybe? posted:Championship skin & ward – From now, 25% of revenue from each year’s Championship skin and Championship Ward will be added to the Worlds prize pool. That means every purchase of Championship Zed will directly increase the prize pool for Worlds 2016. For context, had this been applied last year, it would have more than doubled the prize pool.
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Sep 22, 2016 15:48
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25% seems like not very high.
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Sep 22, 2016 15:51
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Taciturn Tactician posted:25% seems like not very high. quote:For context, had this been applied last year, it would have more than doubled the prize pool. It may be pretty significant.
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Sexpansion posted:It may be pretty significant. I'm not saying it won't be, but if 25% doubles it, 50% would triple it. Skins are pure profit with an initial cost, if they're making that much I think they can probably come out ahead on these skins at 50% share instead of a 75% one.
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The total prize pool for World's was $2,130,000. If a fourth of skin sales from just the Championship skin double that, that means during World's last year Riot Games made at least $8.5 Million from just a couple skins and wards available for about a month. Just Championship skins. And this year's Championship skins are Riven and Zed Doesn't make money off E-Sports my rear end
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Sep 22, 2016 16:01
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The best news TPA has had for like 3 years!
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Sep 22, 2016 16:03
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25% worlds / 25% MSI is pretty cool and good
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Sep 22, 2016 16:07
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Taciturn Tactician posted:I'm not saying it won't be, but if 25% doubles it, 50% would triple it. Skins are pure profit with an initial cost, if they're making that much I think they can probably come out ahead on these skins at 50% share instead of a 75% one. 50% is silly greedy tbh.
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Sep 22, 2016 16:14
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If riot were to have put 80% of Championship skins towards the prize pool it would have increased it by 6.4 million and Riot would still have made a 1.6 million profit. 
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Sep 22, 2016 16:19
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What other revenue streams do they have from pro league?
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Sep 22, 2016 16:20
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If riot just gave 100% of Championship skins towards the prize pool, they could say the operate e-sports at a loss!
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Sep 22, 2016 16:22
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Typical Pubbie posted:What other revenue streams do they have from pro league? I think ticket sales and maybe on-site merch? I've always assumed that the LCS is a loss leader that's there to just get people to play the game and buy skins.
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I think 50% of skin sales is fair for a company that puts as much work into the production of its professional events as Riot does.
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Sep 22, 2016 16:24
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NA is the true loss leader
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Vermain posted:I think ticket sales and maybe on-site merch? I've always assumed that the LCS is a loss leader that's there to just get people to play the game and buy skins.
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Sep 22, 2016 16:25
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Huzzah, prize pool increases
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Sep 22, 2016 16:31
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Kashuno posted:50% is silly greedy tbh. "Greedy" by who, exactly? Do you imagine I get kickbacks from this? Greed doesn't enter this equation unless someone who stands to gain is talking about it. I'm just saying that if you're going to do a PR "look you guys your money is going right into the players' pockets! Buy things to support the players!" thing, 25% seems kind of unimpressive. If someone did a charity drive and promised 25% of the funds went to charity, would it be greedy to suggest they maybe operate at less of a profit to raise that percentage? Raising LCS prize pools isn't charity, but it's just as much a "we're giving up profit for good PR" move.
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Charity and LCS are not even a comparable situation in any way. Charities aren't doing it for PR. Why would you even make such a comparison? Also Riot still is still using buying skins as their primary income source and using LCS as a loss leader for it, so the 25%, considering it is literally millions of dollars, is just fine.
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Sep 22, 2016 16:49
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Just a reminder the only reason this is happening is because Regi laid the smackdown on them
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RealFoxy posted:Just a reminder the only reason this is happening is because Regi laid the smackdown on them  They got hit by the NA LCS owners real hard and they had to concede somewhere
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RealFoxy posted:Just a reminder the only reason this is happening is because Regi laid the smackdown on them Regi trying to pay his way to scrims with top korean teams
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RealFoxy posted:Never gonna let anyone forget Avalon who sunk the only E-Sports team I've ever spent real money on Merch for. Avalon was better than Balls that season in literally every metric and also the eyeball test
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RealFoxy posted:Just a reminder the only reason this is happening is because Regi laid the smackdown on them It's quite possible that's not true, and they were going to do it regaradless of the kerfluffle. It does show that Regi's won the narrative war that people can legitimately think that. Also I think it should be 37% because I said so
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RealFoxy posted:They can't claim that LCS is a loss-leader if they turn around and refuse advertising because it distracts people from buying new skins. That means that the goal of LCS is advertising and they're just investing it to grow their company, like a commercial That's what a loss-leader is. Just because they can theoretically not make it a loss-leader by losing some of their control over branding/etc doesn't take away the loss-leader status. They're selling a product (LCS) at a loss to make money on other products (skins, champions,etc). EDIT: Bad terminology. The Lore Bear fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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yeah, using your loss leader to advertise for other people would be wildly idiotic, but i am sure the evil tryndamere is behind this
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i'm sorry for your loss leader
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Taciturn Tactician posted:Wasn't there an NA support who was complete dead weight? Maybe it was Em Eye Eh or whatever that guy with MIA phonetically spelled was? Ya the old support for Complexity when they were in challenger. I kinda remember him because Riot did a video feature on him because he has prosthetic eyes. I think his name was MeyeA or something like that. If I remember correctly he works for Riot now. I don't remember him being awful. He was pretty good on thresh from what I remember maybe he was really bad on everything else. For the worst players list I would like to nominate Remi/Maria. All her lcs games were terrible. She could basically only play Thresh/Morg and she wasn't even good on them. I still can't believe there was a team with Crumbzz, RF Legendary and Remi. Alex Ich was also past his prime. I mean this team basically got hard carried by FromMaplestreet in challenger how bad do you have to be for that to happen.
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the last pro game i remember alex ich playing he rolled out 4 item components and boots 2 on mid ryze and i wanted to puke and die.
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you made him more exciting by suggesting he had two prosthetic eyes, but this is not the case
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exethan posted:the last pro game i remember alex ich playing he rolled out 4 item components and boots 2 on mid ryze and i wanted to puke and die. it was his final tribute to the best LCS player of all time, darien
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exethan posted:the last pro game i remember alex ich playing he rolled out 4 item components and boots 2 on mid ryze and i wanted to puke and die. The poor man's had one hell of a rollercoaster of a League of Legends career. Has he finally retired?
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Vermain posted:The poor man's had one hell of a rollercoaster of a League of Legends career. Has he finally retired? i think hes dead
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Lmao if you buy riot saying the lcs isn't profitable. There's no way it isn't profitable anymore. The only reason riot says the lcs isn't profitable is because they are counting purely ticket sales and any on-site merchandise that is sold(MAYBE online lcs logo T-shirt sales but probably not). They aren't counting anyone who goes and buys a skin because they saw bjergsen or meteos using it and thought it looked cool, they don't count anyone who watches esports and buys a T-shirt from the merch store because they saw a bunch of people wearing it and thought it was cool, and they apparently aren't counting the Challenger or championship or team skin lines when they say that their esports division runs at a loss. There is absolutely no way the lcs isn't profitable, otherwise it would've been killed the moment Tencent entered the picture
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just lmao if you believe anything at all about anything
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the china man would never allow an unprofitable thing, they would have canceleld league literally immediately edit: ok i am sorry if i am being mean but TENCENT WOULD NEVER ALLOW is just lovely made up conjecture. also lcs is "not profitable" just like owning a professional sports team isnt. its just made up cooking the books poo poo. just like how tsm makes no money off league. ya, their operating costs are definitely higher than the cash that riot gives them but again, lmao. i dont see what the point is in bringing this up over and over with the  and the  riot
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Luna Was Here posted:Lmao if you buy riot saying the lcs isn't profitable. There's no way it isn't profitable anymore. The only reason riot says the lcs isn't profitable is because they are counting purely ticket sales and any on-site merchandise that is sold(MAYBE online lcs logo T-shirt sales but probably not). They aren't counting anyone who goes and buys a skin because they saw bjergsen or meteos using it and thought it looked cool, they don't count anyone who watches esports and buys a T-shirt from the merch store because they saw a bunch of people wearing it and thought it was cool, and they apparently aren't counting the Challenger or championship or team skin lines when they say that their esports division runs at a loss. There is absolutely no way the lcs isn't profitable, otherwise it would've been killed the moment Tencent entered the picture LCS isn't profitable. Riot Games is profitable. LCS is a loss-leader. LCS makes Riot Games more profitable. This is how people talk about businesses, especially when you're part of a multi-billion dollar company.
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Dang rabidsquid, back at it again with the lovely one liners
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